i got out the magnifying glass and discovered that my coupon is still
good

i may actually use it but it's not for a woodworking implement so i
won't mention the item


and i always thought that what the big print giveth the small print
taketh away

my faith in humanity partially restored

On Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:27:21 -0700
Electric Comet wrote:

i got out the magnifying glass and discovered that my coupon is still
good

i may actually use it but it's not for a woodworking implement so i
won't mention the item


and i always thought that what the big print giveth the small print
taketh away

my faith in humanity partially restored

decided not to get it as i came to an alternative design
plus the quality just made me think twice
something about chrome plated parts with the size barely visible
under the chrome
doesn't sit right

anyone want a 20% off H Flet me know

Electric Comet wrote:


decided not to get it as i came to an alternative design
plus the quality just made me think twice
something about chrome plated parts with the size barely visible
under the chrome
doesn't sit right

Not sure what you are intending to mean with the last statement..


anyone want a 20% off H Flet me know

Noble offer, but those coupons are available everyday, on the web site.
Good thing to remember if you ever do decide to look there again.

--

-Mike-

"Electric Comet" wrote in message
...
i got out the magnifying glass and discovered that my coupon is still
good

i may actually use it but it's not for a woodworking implement so i
won't mention the item


and i always thought that what the big print giveth the small print
taketh away

my faith in humanity partially restored

I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some people,
but there are still some things I buy there. I just ALWAYS check it before
I buy it due to changing quality and specifications. I've got a bunch of
12" bar clamps I got from HFT that I using on my injecting and casting test
bench for clamping molds when I test them before I ship them out. I've got
3 HF drill presses (I bought the bigger 16 speed mail order for my current
application), 2 mill drills (older better than what they offer now) and 2 HF
bench sanders that all see regular use in the shop. They are all adequate,
but I always approach anything from HF with a large dollop of salt.

With special product coupons, 20% off coupons, and sales you can often get
something from them that is worth what you paid for it. You just have to
shop a bit.

Heck, I've got two tool carts in my shop that see daily use. One is full of
milling machine tool holders, and one is full of end mills and measuring
tools.

And yes every one of these tools has seen some wood, so technically its not
off topic. LOL.

Ok the new drill press has not seen any wood except from across the room. I
mounted a tapping head in it, and plan to leave it there permanently.

I am not one of those people who think just because a piece of equipment say
Central Machinery on it that it must be junk, but I do believe that every
comparable product sold elsewhere see better QC before being offered for
sale.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:50:28 -0400
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Not sure what you are intending to mean with the last statement..

have you ever seen a casting that was made from a copy of another
casting

the definition of numbers/letters diminishes
then you take that lousy copy of a copy and chrome plate it

it looks bad and maybe it's not a copy of a casting maybe it's
a copy of a machined part that they decided to cast

i just couldn't do it

Noble offer, but those coupons are available everyday, on the web

noble i don't know

good to know the coupons are easy to come by

maybe one day coupons discounts and sale price will align
and i will find something

On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 12:16:34 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote:

I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some

yes number of posts goes up as the importance of any topic goes down
if it's noting to do with wood then even more so possibly logarithmic


I am not one of those people who think just because a piece of
equipment say Central Machinery on it that it must be junk, but I do
believe that every comparable product sold elsewhere see better QC
before being offered for sale.

over the years with off shoring and all the other nonsense we've
all been burned by low quality at one point but we've also
learned that many name brands can have quality issues and so
we don't put so much emphasis on the name
so i agree with you


chinese engineering: prototype what that

customer buys product that most would call a prototype

chinese: we sold a lot but some customer upset over quality
here's the list of complaints

chinese: modify prodcut based on complains and sell

and so on and so forth

the customer is the QC dept. and they bought the product and
no salary and volunteered the problems with the product

"Electric Comet" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 12:16:34 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote:

I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some

yes number of posts goes up as the importance of any topic goes down
if it's noting to do with wood then even more so possibly logarithmic


So you do not think that changing and reducing specifications from a vendor
on the same items is important to know, and you do not think tools sold at
HFT are used for wood working or that wood workers would be interested?

I just made a post that I thought would be helpful. I didn't expect to
start a war between fans and detractors or to see it spin off on so many
tangents.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 13:44:33 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote:

So you do not think that changing and reducing specifications from a

I never read that thread just the original post

sounds dramatic

caveat emptor
buyer beware

Subject

Don't hold your breath waiting for "Electric Comet" to buy something.

Lew

"Bob La Londe" wrote

I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some
people, but there are still some things I buy there. I just ALWAYS check
it before I buy it due to changing quality and specifications. I've got a
bunch of 12" bar clamps I got from HFT that I using on my injecting and
casting test bench for clamping molds when I test them before I ship them
out.
I got a couple of those 12" bar clamps yesterday. I have bought a lot of
them. Cheap at three bucks and do the job. I always check them first
before buying them. The quality varies between them.


With special product coupons, 20% off coupons, and sales you can often get
something from them that is worth what you paid for it. You just have to
shop a bit.

The coupons are nice as are the free gifts. I got a bunch of the FREE HF
flashlights. They are scattered everywhere around here. I have them in the
cars, all the rooms in the house, in the garage and even on bookshelves.
You can never have too many small LED flashlights. They even come with
batteries already installed.

Their too selection is limited. But sometimes they have something unique or
at least I have not seen them before. Case in point is that I needed to cut
up some wire fencing to install on the back of some bean planters. I always
had problems getting my diagonal cutters to cut through the fairly solid
wire fencing. HF had some "extended reach" cutters. Basically regular
cutters with extra long handles. Thereby providing some extra leverage for
the cutting action.

I used them a week ago to make up my new bean planters. The missus is very
happy with the result. Solid wood with a wire mesh back. I got the nicest
bean patch in the neighborhood.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:34:33 -0400
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

I got a couple of those 12" bar clamps yesterday. I have bought a
lot of them. Cheap at three bucks and do the job. I always check
them first before buying them. The quality varies between them.

i need to look at these but if i buy online it sounds like i might
get a lemon

how much does the quality vary and is it the entire clamp or just one
aspect of it

that I needed to cut up some wire fencing to install on the back of
some bean planters. I always had problems getting my diagonal
cutters to cut through the fairly solid wire fencing. HF had some
"extended reach" cutters. Basically regular cutters with extra long
handles. Thereby providing some extra leverage for the cutting
action.

somewhere and sometime i got a piar of mini bolt cutters work great
for nails and wire mesh, etc.

they are a one-handed bolt cutter but icannot remember the brand
not from HG

"Electric Comet" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:34:33 -0400
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

I got a couple of those 12" bar clamps yesterday. I have bought a
lot of them. Cheap at three bucks and do the job. I always check
them first before buying them. The quality varies between them.

i need to look at these but if i buy online it sounds like i might
get a lemon

how much does the quality vary and is it the entire clamp or just one
aspect of it

The big thing with the bar clamps is how freely they move up and down the
bar. Each clamp is different. I try several and get the ones that move
most freely. I have destroyed a number of these clamps just because they
were in the way of an angle grinder of got welded to something. Even lost
one in a blackberry patch while working on a fence. But that is OK. The
same thing would have happened to a bar clamp that cost a lot more. And I
keep finding uses for the short ones. So I keep buying them.

that I needed to cut up some wire fencing to install on the back of
some bean planters. I always had problems getting my diagonal
cutters to cut through the fairly solid wire fencing. HF had some
"extended reach" cutters. Basically regular cutters with extra long
handles. Thereby providing some extra leverage for the cutting
action.

somewhere and sometime i got a piar of mini bolt cutters work great
for nails and wire mesh, etc.

they are a one-handed bolt cutter but icannot remember the brand
not from HG

I have a big bolt cutter and tin snips. The long handled diagonal cutter
just worked extremely well for this application. They were small and light
weight. It made the job easy and faster. Also, if I need to cut some wire
for a wiring job, these will be handy as well.

"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote in message
eb.com...


"Electric Comet" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 09:34:33 -0400
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

I got a couple of those 12" bar clamps yesterday. I have bought a
lot of them. Cheap at three bucks and do the job. I always check
them first before buying them. The quality varies between them.

i need to look at these but if i buy online it sounds like i might
get a lemon

how much does the quality vary and is it the entire clamp or just one
aspect of it

The big thing with the bar clamps is how freely they move up and down the
bar. Each clamp is different. I try several and get the ones that move
most freely. I have destroyed a number of these clamps just because they
were in the way of an angle grinder of got welded to something. Even lost
one in a blackberry patch while working on a fence. But that is OK. The
same thing would have happened to a bar clamp that cost a lot more. And I
keep finding uses for the short ones. So I keep buying them.

that I needed to cut up some wire fencing to install on the back of
some bean planters. I always had problems getting my diagonal
cutters to cut through the fairly solid wire fencing. HF had some
"extended reach" cutters. Basically regular cutters with extra long
handles. Thereby providing some extra leverage for the cutting
action.

somewhere and sometime i got a piar of mini bolt cutters work great
for nails and wire mesh, etc.

they are a one-handed bolt cutter but icannot remember the brand
not from HG

I have a big bolt cutter and tin snips. The long handled diagonal cutter
just worked extremely well for this application. They were small and
light weight. It made the job easy and faster. Also, if I need to cut
some wire for a wiring job, these will be handy as well.

I've found two different tools that seem to work well for heavier wire. One
is a set of linesman style pliers I bought at Wal-Mart many years ago. They
notches in the side that line up when you open the pliers. They will cut
right through a piece of stainless spring wire even.

The other is a Master Mechanic brand fence tool I bought at my dad's
hardware store back when Master Mechanic was still US made. It looks like a
combination between a rock hammer and a pair of pliers.

On 4/26/2015 2:35 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 12:16:34 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote:

I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some

yes number of posts goes up as the importance of any topic goes down
if it's noting to do with wood then even more so possibly logarithmic


I am not one of those people who think just because a piece of
equipment say Central Machinery on it that it must be junk, but I do
believe that every comparable product sold elsewhere see better QC
before being offered for sale.

over the years with off shoring and all the other nonsense we've
all been burned by low quality at one point but we've also
learned that many name brands can have quality issues and so
we don't put so much emphasis on the name
so i agree with you


chinese engineering: prototype what that

customer buys product that most would call a prototype

chinese: we sold a lot but some customer upset over quality
here's the list of complaints

chinese: modify prodcut based on complains and sell

and so on and so forth

the customer is the QC dept. and they bought the product and
no salary and volunteered the problems with the product


Actually the Chinese are capable of building to any quality we would
like. The Chinese build to the American Importers specifications.
If you don't like Chinese products blame the importer.

I have many many Chinese built products in my home and they are Superior
to American built. Apple, an American Importer demands a higher quality
of manufacture.

On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 9:30:19 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/26/2015 2:35 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 12:16:34 -0700
"Bob La Londe" wrote:

I know my previous post on HFT started a bit of an uproar with some

yes number of posts goes up as the importance of any topic goes down
if it's noting to do with wood then even more so possibly logarithmic


I am not one of those people who think just because a piece of
equipment say Central Machinery on it that it must be junk, but I do
believe that every comparable product sold elsewhere see better QC
before being offered for sale.

over the years with off shoring and all the other nonsense we've
all been burned by low quality at one point but we've also
learned that many name brands can have quality issues and so
we don't put so much emphasis on the name
so i agree with you


chinese engineering: prototype what that

customer buys product that most would call a prototype

chinese: we sold a lot but some customer upset over quality
here's the list of complaints

chinese: modify prodcut based on complains and sell

and so on and so forth

the customer is the QC dept. and they bought the product and
no salary and volunteered the problems with the product


Actually the Chinese are capable of building to any quality we would
like. The Chinese build to the American Importers specifications.
If you don't like Chinese products blame the importer.

Blame the importer or blame the consumer? Doesn't the importer simply import only what the consumer is willing to pay for?

(BTW...we should probably replace "importer" with "company that requested the product". As you know they are not always the same. The importer may be just that...a company that specializes in importing items into the US, with no say or stake in the quality of the product.)

Yes, to some extend the consumer is forced to buy only what has been imported, but isn't the consumer ultimately to blame for the downward spiral of quality by continuing to buy the cheap stuff instead of demanding/buying the best?

If everyone refused to buy the cheap stuff, there would be no market for it and it would no longer be imported. Doesn't that place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the consumer? As you said, the good "Chinese made" stuff is out there, consumers just have to be willing to pay for it.


I have many many Chinese built products in my home and they are Superior
to American built. Apple, an American Importer demands a higher quality
of manufacture.

I have found that the Chinese are capable of manufacturing better Chinese people than any other manufacturer. They seem to have the process down to a science. ;-)

On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:30:13 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Actually the Chinese are capable of building to any quality we would


yes including low quality

they don't sit around waiting for someone to tell them what to make

On 4/28/2015 2:14 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:30:13 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Actually the Chinese are capable of building to any quality we would


yes including low quality

they don't sit around waiting for someone to tell them what to make


This is not unique to the Chinese.

Think Oldsmobile, Yugo, PC, B&D the list goes on.