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On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 5:59:33 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:21:04 -0700 (PDT) DerbyDad03 wrote: ...which is the point I've been trying to make all along. Since you now seem to agree with me, I assume you no longer consider me to be unscrupulous. I consider anyone trying to deceive buyers to be unscrupulous some on ebay do so but may not even realize they are but that still doesn't excuse them from saying they're unsure about the product there are sellers that will take dark photos on purpose there are sellers that will not show a defect these are bad sellers there are sellers that do their best to reveal all and provide photos so the buyer can decide they answer questions Thank you for answering a question that was not asked. |
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Electric Comet writes:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:38:14 -0700 (PDT) whit3rd wrote: Silver steel is an old (or British) name for tool steel, i.e. hardenable high-carbon steel, O1 or A2 are typical. i guess that explains the lack of rust Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. |
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On 4/15/2015 8:11 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes: On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:38:14 -0700 (PDT) whit3rd wrote: Silver steel is an old (or British) name for tool steel, i.e. hardenable high-carbon steel, O1 or A2 are typical. i guess that explains the lack of rust Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. And FWIW certain grades of Stainless will rust too, especially those that a magnet will stick to. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:11:56 GMT
(Scott Lurndal) wrote: Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. was a question what's your answer |
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On 4/15/2015 10:16 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:11:56 GMT (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. was a question Really? Looks more like a deduction. i guess that explains the lack of rust Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. |
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:51:01 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. what's your explanation would like to hear it |
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 17:50:23 -0700 (PDT)
DerbyDad03 wrote: Thank you for answering a question that was not asked. it's an answer you have to find if you can't you can't i gave some criteria apply them and see where you are there |
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Electric Comet writes:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:11:56 GMT (Scott Lurndal) wrote: Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. was a question "i guess that explains the lack of rust" isn't a question, it's a supposition. what's your answer If a handsaw blade hasn't rusted, it's been treated well. Quality cutting tools aren't made from stainless steel, primarily because of the poor edge. |
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Electric Comet writes:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:25:55 GMT (Scott Lurndal) wrote: If a handsaw blade hasn't rusted, it's been treated well. or made in low O2 environment or lots of other possibilities since steel making is complicated and the issue is more complicated when you throw in something made long ago where the technique was only know by few people including the alloy's composition i.e. did they add special ingredients It's difficult to comprehend the sense of long run-on sentences. It would help you to convey your information more successfully if you were to use basic grammar, capitalization and sentence structure when formulating your pronouncements. It appears that you're suggesting that the formulation of steel used for cutting tools in the 20th century was some sort of mystery, which is pretty far from reality. As Leon pointed out, even stainless can show corrosion effects. |
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On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 12:19:21 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 17:50:23 -0700 (PDT) DerbyDad03 wrote: Thank you for answering a question that was not asked. it's an answer you have to find if you can't you can't i gave some criteria apply them and see where you are there Thank you for another clearly written response. |
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On 4/15/2015 11:13 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:51:01 -0500 Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Why would you think that? It's high-carbon steel, not stainless. what's your explanation would like to hear it I have no explanation. I was just pointing out what seemed to be a deductive statement, made by you, was what I thought you later said was a question. Using punctuation might have make your comments a bit more clear. |
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Electric Comet writes:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:49:24 GMT (Scott Lurndal) wrote: It appears that you're suggesting that the formulation of steel used for cutting tools in the 20th century was some sort of mystery, which is pretty far from reality. give some data tell us all what was used in the alloy for the silver steel saw the other post mentioned include also how the saw was made using that silver steel It appears you are only participating in this thread in order to appear argumentative. I decline further participation. Do your own research if you wish to learn the answers. I will point out that there is a wikipedia entry on silver steel that you may actually learn something from. |
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Electric Comet wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 17:50:23 -0700 (PDT) DerbyDad03 wrote: Thank you for answering a question that was not asked. it's an answer you have to find if you can't you can't i gave some criteria apply them and see where you are there I can you are frustrating some folks (not me particularly) my ignoring common rules of grammar. We are not texting. Why deliberately make messages difficult to understand for people from whom you might enjoy assistance in the future? Even if you are not an expert in grammar, nor am I, at least you could capitalize the first word of each sentence and use a period (.) at the end of each sentence. I hope that helps you in life. Bill |
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Saws - "Interesting" finds on Ebay
Buyer bewa
On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAPANESE-STY...em41759d 8b6e From Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch...saw-94722.html On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMALL-JAPANE...em41759d 802e From Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-f...saw-39273.html Maybe this is a common Ebay tactic; buy stuff at HF, try to sell it on Ebay for 3x to 4x the price? Hey, maybe they don't even buy them first; if they get 15 orders, it's off to HF to buy 15 saws. At eight bucks, I bought the first one (at HF). I only made a couple of test cuts so far. I think it will turn out to be useful. I was able to make a clean straight cut without too much difficulty. The toughest thing to wrap my mind around was not cutting onthe "pull stroke", but that I had to start the groove by pushing the saw. |
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On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 3:03:37 PM UTC-4, Greg Guarino wrote:
Buyer bewa On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAPANESE-STY...em41759d 8b6e From Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch...saw-94722.html On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMALL-JAPANE...em41759d 802e From Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-f...saw-39273.html Maybe this is a common Ebay tactic; buy stuff at HF, try to sell it on Ebay for 3x to 4x the price? Hey, maybe they don't even buy them first; if they get 15 orders, it's off to HF to buy 15 saws. At eight bucks, I bought the first one (at HF). I only made a couple of test cuts so far. I think it will turn out to be useful. I was able to make a clean straight cut without too much difficulty. The toughest thing to wrap my mind around was not cutting onthe "pull stroke", but that I had to start the groove by pushing the saw. Never mind Buyer Beware, it's more like Buyer Be Idiot. The eBay descriptions for the saws include the HF part number: HFT-94722 HFT-39273 |
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On 4/16/2015 3:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 3:03:37 PM UTC-4, Greg Guarino wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAPANESE-STY...em41759d 8b6e From Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch...saw-94722.html On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMALL-JAPANE...em41759d 802e From Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-f...saw-39273.html Maybe this is a common Ebay tactic; buy stuff at HF, try to sell it on Ebay for 3x to 4x the price? Hey, maybe they don't even buy them first; if they get 15 orders, it's off to HF to buy 15 saws. At eight bucks, I bought the first one (at HF). I only made a couple of test cuts so far. I think it will turn out to be useful. I was able to make a clean straight cut without too much difficulty. The toughest thing to wrap my mind around was not cutting onthe "pull stroke", but that I had to start the groove by pushing the saw. Never mind Buyer Beware, it's more like Buyer Be Idiot. The eBay descriptions for the saws include the HF part number: HFT-94722 HFT-39273 I saw that. But it wasn't very conspicuous, nor was it obvious what it meant. While I agree that people need to be on the lookout for ripoffs, and I knew those were Harbor Freight saws; not everyone is knowledgeable about everything. On a related note, I see Bosch router motors for sale on ebay for very little less than I recently paid for the same motor with two bases and a case. |
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On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:03:34 -0400, Greg Guarino
wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAPANESE-STY...em41759d 8b6e From Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/10-inch...saw-94722.html On Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMALL-JAPANE...em41759d 802e From Harbor Freight http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-f...saw-39273.html Maybe this is a common Ebay tactic; buy stuff at HF, try to sell it on Ebay for 3x to 4x the price? Hey, maybe they don't even buy them first; if they get 15 orders, it's off to HF to buy 15 saws. Quite a few E-Bay sellers sell what they don't own, and go pick up what they sell. Others just order from their supplier and drop ship to the buyer - they never even see the product. At eight bucks, I bought the first one (at HF). I only made a couple of test cuts so far. I think it will turn out to be useful. I was able to make a clean straight cut without too much difficulty. The toughest thing to wrap my mind around was not cutting onthe "pull stroke", but that I had to start the groove by pushing the saw. |
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On 4/16/2015 4:32 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 4/16/2015 3:32 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: The eBay descriptions for the saws include the HF part number: HFT-94722 HFT-39273 I saw that. But it wasn't very conspicuous, nor was it obvious what it meant. While I agree that people need to be on the lookout for ripoffs, and I knew those were Harbor Freight saws; not everyone is knowledgeable about everything. I once needed a cheap Jacobs Chuck for my lathe. I found one on Amazon for cheap. It was delivered in a box with Harbor Freight numbers. I looked it up and could have got it cheaper at HF, with no shipping. The guy selling it through Amazon obviously got them through HF and sold it to me. I had to smile, thinking good job buddy, you got me. BTW, the chuck works just fine, one of those HF things worth the money. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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On 4/25/2015 11:58 PM, WD wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:03:34 -0400, Greg Guarino wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: snip for bevity Since last year was searching for 4 levelers for a new tablesaw extension/assemble table. Found one in Rockler at $25.99 each plus tax and shipping. Too damn expensive, decided not to buy. Maybe fabricate them when I come to it. http://www.rockler.com/heavy-duty-lifting-leveler Last week browsing in Internet found an exact identical leveler in Woodworker's Hardware at $4.72 each. Called the salesperson to verify everything in the picture and not just the screw bolt without the bracket. He replied everything in the picture. Bought 8 pcs plus few other items and total shipping charges came to $11.99. However total weight is 4.40 lbs. for 8 sets plus other items should weight more, right? http://www.wwhardware.com/heavy-duty...ygheavy-m10x75 The package will arrive next Friday 30th April, wait and see and post the result. :-) That's a certainly a better price from Woodworker's Hardware, but the Rockler link does say the $25.99 price is for a set of 4. |
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On 4/26/2015 2:18 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
On 4/25/2015 11:58 PM, WD wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:03:34 -0400, Greg Guarino wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: snip for bevity Since last year was searching for 4 levelers for a new tablesaw extension/assemble table. Found one in Rockler at $25.99 each plus tax and shipping. Too damn expensive, decided not to buy. Maybe fabricate them when I come to it. http://www.rockler.com/heavy-duty-lifting-leveler Last week browsing in Internet found an exact identical leveler in Woodworker's Hardware at $4.72 each. Called the salesperson to verify everything in the picture and not just the screw bolt without the bracket. He replied everything in the picture. Bought 8 pcs plus few other items and total shipping charges came to $11.99. However total weight is 4.40 lbs. for 8 sets plus other items should weight more, right? http://www.wwhardware.com/heavy-duty...ygheavy-m10x75 The package will arrive next Friday 30th April, wait and see and post the result. :-) That's a certainly a better price from Woodworker's Hardware, but the Rockler link does say the $25.99 price is for a set of 4. Just noticed the WW Hardware item is rated for 2000 pounds (yikes!), vs Rockler's at 600 lbs. Must have some substantial mounting screws. |
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WD wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:03:34 -0400, Greg Guarino wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: snip for bevity Since last year was searching for 4 levelers for a new tablesaw extension/assemble table. Found one in Rockler at $25.99 each plus tax and shipping. Too damn expensive, decided not to buy. Maybe fabricate them when I come to it. http://www.rockler.com/heavy-duty-lifting-leveler Last week browsing in Internet found an exact identical leveler in Woodworker's Hardware at $4.72 each. Called the salesperson to verify everything in the picture and not just the screw bolt without the bracket. He replied everything in the picture. Bought 8 pcs plus few other items and total shipping charges came to $11.99. However total weight is 4.40 lbs. for 8 sets plus other items should weight more, right? http://www.wwhardware.com/heavy-duty...ygheavy-m10x75 The package will arrive next Friday 30th April, wait and see and post the result. :-) McMaster Carr has those leveling feet for $14.91 a 4 pack with screws. That's where I buy them. |
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On 4/26/2015 1:23 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
On 4/26/2015 2:18 AM, Larry Kraus wrote: On 4/25/2015 11:58 PM, WD wrote: On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:03:34 -0400, Greg Guarino wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: snip for bevity Since last year was searching for 4 levelers for a new tablesaw extension/assemble table. Found one in Rockler at $25.99 each plus tax and shipping. Too damn expensive, decided not to buy. Maybe fabricate them when I come to it. http://www.rockler.com/heavy-duty-lifting-leveler Last week browsing in Internet found an exact identical leveler in Woodworker's Hardware at $4.72 each. Called the salesperson to verify everything in the picture and not just the screw bolt without the bracket. He replied everything in the picture. Bought 8 pcs plus few other items and total shipping charges came to $11.99. However total weight is 4.40 lbs. for 8 sets plus other items should weight more, right? http://www.wwhardware.com/heavy-duty...ygheavy-m10x75 The package will arrive next Friday 30th April, wait and see and post the result. :-) That's a certainly a better price from Woodworker's Hardware, but the Rockler link does say the $25.99 price is for a set of 4. Just noticed the WW Hardware item is rated for 2000 pounds (yikes!), vs Rockler's at 600 lbs. Must have some substantial mounting screws. And yet if this particular leveling foot is mounted correctly the screws offer little more other than to keep the foot assy. from falling off of the cabinet. A lot like Euro hinge screws that hold the door onto the 35mm cup. But that said, I seriously doubt if the weight capacities actually differ as much as stated. These style leveling feet are pretty robust, I think many are rated as a set and some individually. All of them appear to be made of the same material and design. It is pretty likely that if you build it and can lift it these particular feet can handle it. |
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On 4/26/2015 10:51 AM, Leon wrote:
It is pretty likely that if you build it and can lift it these particular feet can handle it. That's probably the best rule of thumb. (McMaster-Carr under rates them at 100 lb.) Need to make up a shopping list. |
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On 4/25/2015 11:58 PM, WD wrote:
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:03:34 -0400, Greg Guarino wrote: Buyer bewa On Ebay: snip for bevity Since last year was searching for 4 levelers for a new tablesaw extension/assemble table. Found one in Rockler at $25.99 each plus tax and shipping. Too damn expensive, decided not to buy. Maybe fabricate them when I come to it. http://www.rockler.com/heavy-duty-lifting-leveler Last week browsing in Internet found an exact identical leveler in Woodworker's Hardware at $4.72 each. Called the salesperson to verify everything in the picture and not just the screw bolt without the bracket. He replied everything in the picture. Bought 8 pcs plus few other items and total shipping charges came to $11.99. However total weight is 4.40 lbs. for 8 sets plus other items should weight more, right? http://www.wwhardware.com/heavy-duty...ygheavy-m10x75 The package will arrive next Friday 30th April, wait and see and post the result. :-) No, sounds about right for the 8 pcs. They are stamped steel and a screw. Nothing too fancy. So about a 1/2 pound each sounds right. Don't know what else you got so can't say. But that sounds about right. Yea, I saw rocklers and always thought are they made out of gold. I make my own from TNuts and bolts with the heads sanded down. -- Jeff |
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