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Hey All,
I just want to relate an experience I had yesterday in my basement
woodshop. We have a three flue chimney with a coal stove in the
basement (shop side) and our oil fired boiler which uses another flue
on the "not quite" clean side. This is also our laundry room and my
wife went ahead and ran a load of clothes in the drier because they
did not dry completely from being outside earlier in the day. Up
stairs is our woodstove which uses the third flue. We had a fire
going in the woodstove and all is going well. I was in my shop
marking layout lines on the legs for my dining room table when I
smelled wood smoke which I traced to the coal stove. I never had that
happen before but soon I realized it was the clothes drier removing
room air and the main source of make-up air was coming from the flue
of the coal stove. We rarley use the drier, relying mostly on hanging
clothes outside or nearby the two stoves to dry.


I never smelled oil fumes when the drier was used so it either was
never running when the boiler was firing or the air paths were not
affected. This just goes to show you that you really need to provide
make-up air if you exhaust your dust collector outside. A clothes
drier passes a lot less air than a DC but its results are almost as
significant. (My dust collector uses a large pleated filter so it
always returns filtered air to the shop.)

By the way, I am copying the design for the Hayrake table that was
shown on the Fine Woodworking site a few months ago.

Hope everybody's team wins today except for you Steelers fans. Go
Ravens!

Marc

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HRV

WE use them.
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"marc rosen" wrote in message
...

Hey All,
I just want to relate an experience I had yesterday in my basement
woodshop. We have a three flue chimney with a coal stove in the
basement (shop side) and our oil fired boiler which uses another flue
on the "not quite" clean side. This is also our laundry room and my
wife went ahead and ran a load of clothes in the drier because they
did not dry completely from being outside earlier in the day. Up
stairs is our woodstove which uses the third flue. We had a fire
going in the woodstove and all is going well. I was in my shop
marking layout lines on the legs for my dining room table when I
smelled wood smoke which I traced to the coal stove. I never had that
happen before but soon I realized it was the clothes drier removing
room air and the main source of make-up air was coming from the flue
of the coal stove. We rarley use the drier, relying mostly on hanging
clothes outside or nearby the two stoves to dry.


I never smelled oil fumes when the drier was used so it either was
never running when the boiler was firing or the air paths were not
affected. This just goes to show you that you really need to provide
make-up air if you exhaust your dust collector outside. A clothes
drier passes a lot less air than a DC but its results are almost as
significant. (My dust collector uses a large pleated filter so it
always returns filtered air to the shop.)

By the way, I am copying the design for the Hayrake table that was
shown on the Fine Woodworking site a few months ago.

Hope everybody's team wins today except for you Steelers fans. Go
Ravens!

Marc

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:24:58 -0400, "m II" wrote:
WE use them.

Bull****!
Just read some of the dozens of complaints here over the last few
years.

Maybe speak from some real experience instead of just trolling.

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:05:44 -0400, Dave wrote:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:24:58 -0400, "m II" wrote:
WE use them.

Bull****!
Just read some of the dozens of complaints here over the last few years.

Maybe speak from some real experience instead of just trolling.

How did you manage to do a reply with the wrong subject? A new "feature"
of Agent?

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT), marc rosen
wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:39*pm, "Phil Kangas" wrote:
He needs to put a hole in that thermos bottle of a
house
he is living in........- Hide quoted text -


Just for the record my house has more leaks than Wiki but thanks for
the suggestion.

Fix the leaks and then properly modulate the air exchange for health.

Here ya go: http://goo.gl/HWDDo

Unless your house is much larger, in which case you need something
more like these: http://goo.gl/5fipl or
Cha CHING: http://goo.gl/0HK4J

--
It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are
not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment.
-- Freeman Dyson

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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT), marc rosen
wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:39 pm, "Phil wrote:
He needs to put a hole in that thermos bottle of a
house
he is living in........- Hide quoted text -


Just for the record my house has more leaks than Wiki but thanks for
the suggestion.

Fix the leaks and then properly modulate the air exchange for health.

Here ya go: http://goo.gl/HWDDo

Unless your house is much larger, in which case you need something
more like these: http://goo.gl/5fipl or
Cha CHING: http://goo.gl/0HK4J

Can't imagine living in a house wrapped and caulked so tight that
every time the dog farts your ears pop. Like living in a submarine.
So then you need a $3000 snorkel to breathe.
--
Gerald Ross

Hi! I can't remember your name either.

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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:05:44 -0400, Dave wrote:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:24:58 -0400, "m II" wrote:
WE use them.

Bull****!
Just read some of the dozens of complaints here over the last few
years.

Maybe speak from some real experience instead of just trolling.

How did you manage to do a reply with the wrong subject? A new
"feature"
of Agent?

==============

People love to get these fancy readers and newsgroups have many
problems with basic communication confusion due to lack of expertise
with them.

Why do some have to make things so complicated?

--

Eric

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"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT), marc rosen
wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:39 pm, "Phil wrote:
He needs to put a hole in that thermos bottle of a
house
he is living in........- Hide quoted text -


Just for the record my house has more leaks than Wiki but thanks for
the suggestion.

Fix the leaks and then properly modulate the air exchange for health.

Here ya go: http://goo.gl/HWDDo

Unless your house is much larger, in which case you need something
more like these: http://goo.gl/5fipl or
Cha CHING: http://goo.gl/0HK4J

Can't imagine living in a house wrapped and caulked so tight that every
time the dog farts your ears pop. Like living in a submarine. So then you
need a $3000 snorkel to breathe.
--
Gerald Ross

Hi! I can't remember your name either.


Pshaw! When we built our house it was so "tight" that the first time we
vacuumed the carpet all the sheet rock nails popped.

Max

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LOL

When we ran the central vac our toilets spit water onto the ceilings
and my ears popped.


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"Max" wrote in message
b.com...
Pshaw! When we built our house it was so "tight" that the first time
we
vacuumed the carpet all the sheet rock nails popped.

Max

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Stuart wrote in
:


That was my forst thought too. Inadequate supply of fresh air to any
combustion device /will/ result in the production of Carbon Monoxide. Get
yourself a CO alarm pronto.


I've got one out in the garage to monitor the boiler. It went off last
spring and told me the boiler really needed cleaned. (It's such a simple
process, I'm adding it to the shutdown procedures.)

The same CO detector was in the house when we had a propane water heater.
It went off and we got a new water heater. (Now that it's electric, we
don't need it in the house.)

Puckdropper

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:56:22 -0400, Gerald Ross
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:24:04 -0700 (PDT), marc rosen
wrote:

On Oct 23, 2:39 pm, "Phil wrote:
He needs to put a hole in that thermos bottle of a
house
he is living in........- Hide quoted text -


Just for the record my house has more leaks than Wiki but thanks for
the suggestion.

Fix the leaks and then properly modulate the air exchange for health.

Here ya go: http://goo.gl/HWDDo

Unless your house is much larger, in which case you need something
more like these: http://goo.gl/5fipl or
Cha CHING: http://goo.gl/0HK4J

Can't imagine living in a house wrapped and caulked so tight that
every time the dog farts your ears pop. Like living in a submarine.

Quite the evocative description, Ger.

It sounds illogical but there's a method to their madness. A thermal
exchange unit, it warms the air as it breathes in winter so it doesn't
cost you an arm and a leg for your air leaks. Regular leaks leak hot
air out and suck cold air in indiscrimately, perhaps into one room
alone. They cost lots of HVAC time to recover from.


So then you need a $3000 snorkel to breathe.

The bigun was a 600cfm monster for a bigass megaMcMansion, methinks.
The littleun (60cfm, $321) would work for my 1,500s/f home.

--
It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are
not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment.
-- Freeman Dyson

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Stuart wrote:

Inadequate supply of fresh air to any
combustion device /will/ result in the production of Carbon
Monoxide. Get
yourself a CO alarm pronto.
---------------------------------------
Here in Los Angeles, the building codes have been revised to require
CO monitor in single family residences within the last 6 months..


Lew

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Larry Jaques wrote in
:

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:56:22 -0400, Gerald Ross
wrote:

Can't imagine living in a house wrapped and caulked so tight that
every time the dog farts your ears pop. Like living in a submarine.

Quite the evocative description, Ger.

It sounds illogical but there's a method to their madness. A thermal
exchange unit, it warms the air as it breathes in winter so it doesn't
cost you an arm and a leg for your air leaks. Regular leaks leak hot
air out and suck cold air in indiscrimately, perhaps into one room
alone. They cost lots of HVAC time to recover from.


So then you need a $3000 snorkel to breathe.

The bigun was a 600cfm monster for a bigass megaMcMansion, methinks.
The littleun (60cfm, $321) would work for my 1,500s/f home.


At one time, during a tornado it was recommended that you keep one window
away from the tornado open to avoid your house exploding from the sudden
change in pressure. When this advice was debunked, one of the things
that was pointed out was that most houses are so leaky they'll easily
adjust to the change. Now that we're building tighter and tighter
houses, might we have to worry about explosion again? *g*

Puckdropper

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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote

At one time, during a tornado it was recommended that you keep one window
away from the tornado open to avoid your house exploding from the sudden
change in pressure. When this advice was debunked, one of the things
that was pointed out was that most houses are so leaky they'll easily
adjust to the change. Now that we're building tighter and tighter
houses, might we have to worry about explosion again? *g*

Buckminster Fuller did some experiments with a dome design in a wind tunnel.
He equipped his dome with a "lift up" vent on top of the dome. If the
pressure dropped out side of the house, the vent popped up and saved the
structure. The point being if the dome was anchored well, it could easily
weather strong storm events.

I assume there was enough air left in the building to support life. And I
would want some way to get more air in the building quickly after this
event. Wouldn't want to be a building that was sealed tight as a drum and
have all it's internal air sucked out.

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Those prices are out-to-lunch.

Home Depot sells good units in Canuckistan for about $6-700. Piping. vents
and control would be extra. I think I paid about $550 for mine through a
heating contractor distributor. (different brand)

Years back, I put a 2" PVC pipe into my cold air return pipe and stuck it
outside years ago. That works not too badly. The windows stops leaking and
the draughts get better in the house. In cold climates too much pressure is
not good as it can drive moisture into the framing and freeze.


http://reviews.homedepot.ca/1998/971356/reviews.htm

Looks like HD discontinued this one.

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"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
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Can't imagine living in a house wrapped and caulked so tight that
every time the dog farts your ears pop. Like living in a submarine.
So then you need a $3000 snorkel to breathe.
--
Gerald Ross

Hi! I can't remember your name either.