Consumer Products Safety Commision - New table saw rules on the horizon. (sawstop, et. al.)
 

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:44:09 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:40:49 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The reason I wouldn't is *exactly* this discussion. Nice
hardware, crap company.

I disagree. they are a for profit company. It's to their
advantage to leverage everything they can to command market share.
Most of the discussions here are far too altruistic - as if Saw
Stop should be doing something more "nobel". Hell - they're about
making money. God bless them for going for it in what ever way
they can do it. Don't understand why anyone would call them a crap
company.

Wrong! I don't do business with unethical companies. Period.

I guess it's all in what one considers unethical.

Inventing a widget, getting the government to require said widget, and
refusing to sell said widget freely, is unethical to most normal
minds. Yes, Gass makes the Snidely Whiplash list. Nope, not going
to happen.

Well - they did try to sell it long before they went the route of the
government approach.

Extortionists often do ask for tribute before burning down your business.

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Swingman wrote:
On 9/29/2011 11:58 AM, Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I'm among those in the "table saw" accident statistics.

Mine wasn't plugged in, nor did it have a blade mounted, but the ER
classed it, for insurance purposes, as a "table saw injury".


You are still using it, are you not?

And Leon's got the SS I think. He hasn't converted you?

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Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?

Consumer Products Safety Commision - New table saw rules on the horizon. (sawstop, et. al.)
 

Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't
use a TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's
not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?

depends on what your definition of is isg

Consumer Products Safety Commision - New table saw rules on the horizon. (sawstop, et. al.)
 

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:40:49 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The reason I wouldn't is *exactly* this discussion. Nice
hardware, crap company.

I disagree. they are a for profit company. It's to their
advantage to leverage everything they can to command market
share.
Most of the discussions here are far too altruistic - as if Saw
Stop should be doing something more "nobel". Hell - they're
about
making money. God bless them for going for it in what ever way
they can do it. Don't understand why anyone would call them a
crap
company.

Wrong! I don't do business with unethical companies. Period.

I guess it's all in what one considers unethical.

Inventing a widget, getting the government to require said widget,
and refusing to sell said widget freely, is unethical to most normal
minds. Yes, Gass makes the Snidely Whiplash list. Nope, not going
to happen.

Well - they did try to sell it long before they went the route of the
government approach.

gvnmt has no business in my choice of tools, period.

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:11:34 -0500, "ChairMan" nospam@nospam wrote:

Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't
use a TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's
not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?

depends on what your definition of is isg

Wait a minute! The Bill is on the wrong duck, here.

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:42:20 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

I wonder if they would[*] keep the price at $1500-$3000? My fairly recent
Unisaur would appreciate, though.
[*] I don't think this is going to happen, but wouldn't bet on any line with
the crew now in the WH

Consumer Products Safety Commision - New table saw rules on thehorizon. (sawstop, et. al.)
 

On 9/29/2011 6:42 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?


Zero, zip, nada. No no one will abandon the hobby. How many people
quit buying houses when grounded wiring was required. How many people
quit buying cars when air bags were required. If you have to abandon a
hobby because a piece of equipment doubles in price your financial
prioritizes should be reconsidered.

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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
...
Artemus wrote:

At the very least any new law mandating "xyz" should include
mandatory provisions which invalidate all patents, copyrights, etc
relating to "xyz". This would be for the greater good and in
the public interest.

Why in the world would you suggest such a thing as that? I could see it if
you had suggested that the wording of any legislation should be loose enough
to specify alternatives, and not be so specific as to mandate one particular
solution, but to suggest invalidating patents, copyrights, etc. does not
even make sense. I heartily disagree that it would be in the greater good
of the public interest, and even further argue that the public interest is
not sufficient cause for that type of behavior.

--


Replace "xyz" in my statement with "Sawstop" for the perfect example.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Any company attempting to use the
legislative process to gain a monopoly in the market under the auspices
of "for the public good" isn't good. Ergo they should have to relinquish
their patent(s) via the same legislation. Let them compete in the market
on an even footing.
Art

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On 9/29/2011 5:43 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:25:26 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 9/29/2011 4:30 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:28:25 -0500, wrote:

On 9/29/2011 11:58 AM, Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I'm among those in the "table saw" accident statistics.

Mine wasn't plugged in, nor did it have a blade mounted, but the ER
classed it, for insurance purposes, as a "table saw injury".

Does a splinter off the cut wood count?

Only if you are dumb enough to go to the ER for that splinter to be
removed. ;~)

OTOH, if the splinter was that bad.... ;-)

I thought of that after I pressedSEND.

LOL got caught up in the heat of the moment did you? Been there done
that. ;~)

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:53:15 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 9/29/2011 6:42 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?


Zero, zip, nada. No no one will abandon the hobby. How many people
quit buying houses when grounded wiring was required. How many people
quit buying cars when air bags were required. If you have to abandon a
hobby because a piece of equipment doubles in price your financial
prioritizes should be reconsidered.

I certainly wouldn't have bought a $3500 table saw. ...at least for a long
time. There were alternatives, though. In the doomsday scenario there would
be none.

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On 9/29/2011 5:55 PM, Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:
On 9/29/2011 11:58 AM, Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I'm among those in the "table saw" accident statistics.

Mine wasn't plugged in, nor did it have a blade mounted, but the ER
classed it, for insurance purposes, as a "table saw injury".


You are still using it, are you not?

And Leon's got the SS I think. He hasn't converted you?

Nope, have not got it yet. If I ever buy again it will be a SawStop.

Consumer Products Safety Commision - New table saw rules on thehorizon. (sawstop, et. al.)
 

On 9/29/2011 5:57 PM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?


Thinking about your significant other, ask the same question and ponder
if you are still a man. ;~)

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Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

If they can get passed the cost of "proper" DC, they can probably deal
with that. Steer they away from the woodturning accessories.

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On Sep 29, 7:42*pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, wrote:
All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. *And forget
about houses! *CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! *;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

Wouldn't the price come down once all tool manufacturer's were
manufacturing either licensed SawStop or competing technology? And
there's always used.

The real issue is what is going to happen to other spinning-blade
tools. Once that 10" CMS touches flesh, and the device is triggered,
where's that blade going to go hide?

Soon enough all the Norm-ites will be coming over to the Neander-
side! ;)

R

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" wrote in
:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:53:15 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/29/2011 6:42 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been
legislated down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers,
airbags. And forget about houses! CO and smoke detectors,
standardized stair dimensions, GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole
electrical panel requirement is a government-let plot to separate
people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby
when they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them
$1500-$3000?


Zero, zip, nada. No no one will abandon the hobby. How many people
quit buying houses when grounded wiring was required. How many people
quit buying cars when air bags were required. If you have to abandon
a hobby because a piece of equipment doubles in price your financial
prioritizes should be reconsidered.

I certainly wouldn't have bought a $3500 table saw. ...at least for a
long time. There were alternatives, though. In the doomsday scenario
there would be none.

The language in any bill can't specify the brand of saw, nor the exact
mechanism by which injuries are to be prevented. Seems to me that the
whirlwind is an inferior, but viable alternative
http://www.whirlwindtool.com/. So is a well-designed circular saw and
support system (regular circular saw, Festool system, or other
plungesaw). It's all what you want to or can spend.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

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I don't understand.
Gass offered it to companies, they didn't want it.
He creates his own... typical American ingenuity and open market.
Now you want him to give it away for free?
He tried selling the license to these companies and they balked.
I applaud his effort. Very American....
You must prefer the socialist or communist countries KRW...
Either that or your brains are scrambled.... That kickback hit you in
the head?

On 9/29/2011 5:52 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:40:49 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The reason I wouldn't is *exactly* this discussion. Nice hardware,
crap company.

I disagree. they are a for profit company. It's to their advantage
to leverage everything they can to command market share. Most of the
discussions here are far too altruistic - as if Saw Stop should be
doing something more "nobel". Hell - they're about making money.
God bless them for going for it in what ever way they can do it.
Don't understand why anyone would call them a crap company.

Wrong! I don't do business with unethical companies. Period.

I guess it's all in what one considers unethical.

Inventing a widget, getting the government to require said widget, and
refusing to sell said widget freely, is unethical to most normal minds. Yes,
Gass makes the Snidely Whiplash list. Nope, not going to happen.

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On 30 Sep 2011 00:43:53 GMT, Han wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:53:15 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/29/2011 6:42 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been
legislated down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers,
airbags. And forget about houses! CO and smoke detectors,
standardized stair dimensions, GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole
electrical panel requirement is a government-let plot to separate
people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby
when they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them
$1500-$3000?


Zero, zip, nada. No no one will abandon the hobby. How many people
quit buying houses when grounded wiring was required. How many people
quit buying cars when air bags were required. If you have to abandon
a hobby because a piece of equipment doubles in price your financial
prioritizes should be reconsidered.

I certainly wouldn't have bought a $3500 table saw. ...at least for a
long time. There were alternatives, though. In the doomsday scenario
there would be none.

The language in any bill can't specify the brand of saw, nor the exact
mechanism by which injuries are to be prevented. Seems to me that the
whirlwind is an inferior, but viable alternative
http://www.whirlwindtool.com/.

Wow! Do you have faith in government, or what?! If they're going to
regulate...

So is a well-designed circular saw and
support system (regular circular saw, Festool system, or other
plungesaw). It's all what you want to or can spend.

....and they're not going to force a SawStop mechanism on circular saws? It's
for the children!

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On 9/29/2011 6:57 PM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?

That is kind of like the old question when is a door not a door, when it
is ajar

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:01:50 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour wrote:

On Sep 29, 7:42*pm, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, wrote:
All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. *And forget
about houses! *CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! *;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

Wouldn't the price come down once all tool manufacturer's were
manufacturing either licensed SawStop or competing technology? And
there's always used.

No. Why would SawStop cut others any slack?

The real issue is what is going to happen to other spinning-blade
tools. Once that 10" CMS touches flesh, and the device is triggered,
where's that blade going to go hide?

Too dangerous. Ban 'em!

Soon enough all the Norm-ites will be coming over to the Neander-
side! ;)

Not going to happen.

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Funny how the Unisaw price was 1200 about 10 years ago.
Now it's approaching what $3000... I would rather buy the better made
Saw Stop... My delta products have not been up to par... My bandsaw
(American Made) was a disaster. I applaud Saw Stop for a good product,
safe... And when I can, I will buy the 3hp unit... It's nice.


On 9/29/2011 7:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:42:20 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

I wonder if they would[*] keep the price at $1500-$3000? My fairly recent
Unisaur would appreciate, though.

[*] I don't think this is going to happen, but wouldn't bet on any line with
the crew now in the WH

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:54:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 9/29/2011 5:43 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:25:26 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 9/29/2011 4:30 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:28:25 -0500, wrote:

On 9/29/2011 11:58 AM, Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I'm among those in the "table saw" accident statistics.

Mine wasn't plugged in, nor did it have a blade mounted, but the ER
classed it, for insurance purposes, as a "table saw injury".

Does a splinter off the cut wood count?

Only if you are dumb enough to go to the ER for that splinter to be
removed. ;~)

OTOH, if the splinter was that bad.... ;-)

I thought of that after I pressedSEND.

LOL got caught up in the heat of the moment did you? Been there done
that. ;~)

I hate it when I hit the foot.

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:11:34 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:

Funny how the Unisaw price was 1200 about 10 years ago.

I paid $1600 eighteen months ago (3HP, LT, 52" Biesemeyer,...). Seems about
right for inflation.

Now it's approaching what $3000...

Different animal. The X5 is still available for around $2000.

I would rather buy the better made
Saw Stop... My delta products have not been up to par... My bandsaw
(American Made) was a disaster. I applaud Saw Stop for a good product,
safe... And when I can, I will buy the 3hp unit... It's nice.

Isn't choice a great thing? Too bad you don't see others' choices as being
valid.

...

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"tiredofspam" wrote in message
...


Funny how artists have copyrights for 50 years or more... and patent
holders for drugs ... very short time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A copyright expires 70 years after the holders death. A bit excessive, I
think.

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:24:04 -0600, Just Wondering
wrote:

On 9/29/2011 7:28 AM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:17:45 -0500, Mike wrote:

advance notice of proposed rulemaking for performance requirements to
address table saw blade contact injuries.

September 14, 2011

http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOI...f/tablesaw.pdf

"A. Background
On April 15, 2003, Stephen Gass, David Fanning, and James Fulmer, et al.
(“petitioners”) requested that we require performance standards for a system
to reduce or prevent injuries from contact with the blade of a table saw."

I wonder how much Stephed Gass (SawStop's inventor, BTW) has contributed to
Obama's re-election campaign.


I realize that table saws are inherently dangerous. But I wonder how
many injuries (needing something more than a band-aid) there actually
are per man-hour of use. Is this an area where the country really needs
government control?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:28:25 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 9/29/2011 11:58 AM, Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I'm among those in the "table saw" accident statistics.

Mine wasn't plugged in, nor did it have a blade mounted, but the ER
classed it, for insurance purposes, as a "table saw injury".

That's like all those gang member "firearm fatalities" and suicide
"firearm fatalities" the PTBs like to spout. Effemall!

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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k-nuttle wrote:
On 9/29/2011 6:57 PM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?

That is kind of like the old question when is a door not a door, when it
is ajar

Ajar of what?

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On 9/29/2011 9:05 PM, CW wrote:


"tiredofspam" wrote in message
...


Funny how artists have copyrights for 50 years or more... and patent
holders for drugs ... very short time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A copyright expires 70 years after the holders death. A bit excessive, I
think.


The "public domain" has been robbed by corporate greed, compliments of
bought and paid for congressman.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/ewoodshop

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In article , tiredofspam
says...

I don't understand.
Gass offered it to companies, they didn't want it.
He creates his own... typical American ingenuity and open market.
Now you want him to give it away for free?

Yep. He can't have it both ways. Either he sells it and makes a profit
or he gets it legally mandated in which case he should not be allowed to
profit from the mandate.

He tried selling the license to these companies and they balked.
I applaud his effort. Very American....
You must prefer the socialist or communist countries KRW...
Either that or your brains are scrambled.... That kickback hit you in
the head?

It's the socialist or communist countries that dictate what must be
manufactured.

On 9/29/2011 5:52 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:40:49 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

The reason I wouldn't is *exactly* this discussion. Nice hardware,
crap company.

I disagree. they are a for profit company. It's to their advantage
to leverage everything they can to command market share. Most of the
discussions here are far too altruistic - as if Saw Stop should be
doing something more "nobel". Hell - they're about making money.
God bless them for going for it in what ever way they can do it.
Don't understand why anyone would call them a crap company.

Wrong! I don't do business with unethical companies. Period.

I guess it's all in what one considers unethical.

Inventing a widget, getting the government to require said widget, and
refusing to sell said widget freely, is unethical to most normal minds. Yes,
Gass makes the Snidely Whiplash list. Nope, not going to happen.

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In article , tiredofspam
says...

Funny how the Unisaw price was 1200 about 10 years ago.
Now it's approaching what $3000... I would rather buy the better made
Saw Stop... My delta products have not been up to par... My bandsaw
(American Made) was a disaster. I applaud Saw Stop for a good product,
safe... And when I can, I will buy the 3hp unit... It's nice.

Fine, do that.

That's not the issue, the issue is that Sawstop wants the government to
force Delta to give it a share of the price of that Unisaw as well.

On 9/29/2011 7:47 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:42:20 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

I wonder if they would[*] keep the price at $1500-$3000? My fairly recent
Unisaur would appreciate, though.

[*] I don't think this is going to happen, but wouldn't bet on any line with
the crew now in the WH

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:42:20 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

But the SawStop's inventor evidently tried to pressure the gov't into
making his invention required by law. I wouldn't buy one of his tools,
either, at half the extraordinary price.


I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

$3k+

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:53:15 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/29/2011 6:42 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?


Zero, zip, nada. No no one will abandon the hobby.

Please provide a link to the future statistics which support that wild
and crazyass statement, sir. ;)


How many people
quit buying houses when grounded wiring was required. How many people
quit buying cars when air bags were required.

If old tools aren't grandfathered in, there will be plenty of used
tools to go around. That would likely happen for years before they ban
the use of regular saws. sigh


If you have to abandon a
hobby because a piece of equipment doubles in price your financial
prioritizes should be reconsidered.

Huh? Not everyone sells their hobby output, Leon.

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:00:52 -0400, Bill
wrote:

Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:30:20 -0500, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

All those inventions and new-fangled stuff that have been legislated
down our throats - seatbelts, intermittant wipers, airbags. And forget
about houses! CO and smoke detectors, standardized stair dimensions,
GFIs and AFCIs - hell, the whole electrical panel requirement is a
government-let plot to separate people from their liberties! ;)

There was no government mandated monopoly for any of those.

I wonder how many prospective woodworkers will abandon the hobby when
they find their first tablesaw is going to cost them $1500-$3000?

If they can get passed the cost of "proper" DC, they can probably deal
with that. Steer they away from the woodturning accessories.

I'm surprised they haven't banned ungrounded DC hose yet, either.
snort

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:07:06 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:

I don't understand.
Gass offered it to companies, they didn't want it.

His profit would double the cost to consumers. Run the numbers and
tell me how many customers those companies would lose as a result.


He creates his own... typical American ingenuity and open market.
Now you want him to give it away for free?
He tried selling the license to these companies and they balked.

Instead of making a million or ten, he wants a billion. Did you see
the prices he offered his invention to them for?


I applaud his effort. Very American....

Speaking-weasel ethics/attempted blackmail are not very upstanding and
American to me. I shun your misread of his efforts. Research him and
you'll see how wrong you are.

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:57:21 -0400, Bill
wrote:

Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?

Clinton Never Exhaled

Buy the TEE!

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:22:35 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:

This is not a rip off... And you should be supporting this American
Entrepreneur. He is making a better product at a more reasonable price
than the competition.

Tablesaws costing twice the price than the competition due to the
addition of a (Max $100 cost) gimmick is not "more reasonable than the
competition" you idiot. Buy a clue, troll.

Adios!

--
Win first, Fight later.

--martial principle of the Samurai

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Bill wrote in :

Bill wrote:

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton, if any one asks, "When I saw, I don't use a
TS--and if I do, I leave it unplugged!".

I sort of hate to ask, but this sort of begs the question: If it's not
plugged in, is it still a table saw?


I used to store my table saw not plugged in and rolled it out to the
driveway to do work. It is just as heavy as always, just as large, and
still looks and feels like a saw. So, yes, plugged in or not it's still a
table saw.

I cut my finger on a brand new saw blade while opening the package. Is
that a table-saw related injury (it very well could have been for
installation on the CMS)?

Puckdropper

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:05:48 -0700, "CW" wrote:



"tiredofspam" wrote in message
.. .


Funny how artists have copyrights for 50 years or more... and patent
holders for drugs ... very short time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A copyright expires 70 years after the holders death. A bit excessive, I
think.

What about corporate logos? Shouldn't a corporation be allowed to keep it's
face to the world?

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J. Clarke wrote:
In article , tiredofspam
says...

Funny how the Unisaw price was 1200 about 10 years ago.
Now it's approaching what $3000... I would rather buy the better made
Saw Stop... My delta products have not been up to par... My bandsaw
(American Made) was a disaster. I applaud Saw Stop for a good
product, safe... And when I can, I will buy the 3hp unit... It's
nice.

Fine, do that.

That's not the issue, the issue is that Sawstop wants the government
to force Delta to give it a share of the price of that Unisaw as well.


Bull**** John. Want to try that one again?

--

-Mike-