I've been eyeing the spiral cutter heads on some of grizzly's jointers
and planers. At first glance, I really like the idea. But they're so
much more expensive. Does anyone have one of these machines and would
you say that it was worth the extra expense?

brian

I have a twenty inch shop Fox planer with conventional blades and a
friend just bought the same machine with the spiral cutter head and
it's far superior. No tear out on curly grain and a cut that needs
finish sanding only. I think I can do a lot of sanding for the extra
thousand dollars it cost though.

On 25 Jun 2004 09:44:21 -0700, (brian lanning) wrote:

I've been eyeing the spiral cutter heads on some of grizzly's jointers
and planers. At first glance, I really like the idea. But they're so
much more expensive. Does anyone have one of these machines and would
you say that it was worth the extra expense?

if you do a lot of figured woods or work a lot of tropicals they can be.
tropicals plane better then domestic woos but they dull the blades faster.



" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"

Steve Knight wrote:

On 25 Jun 2004 09:44:21 -0700, (brian lanning) wrote:

I've been eyeing the spiral cutter heads on some of grizzly's jointers
and planers. At first glance, I really like the idea. But they're so
much more expensive. Does anyone have one of these machines and would
you say that it was worth the extra expense?

if you do a lot of figured woods or work a lot of tropicals they can be.
tropicals plane better then domestic woos but they dull the blades faster.



" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"
My son uses one in the shop where he works. The little cutter heads are
4 sided and when they get dull, they get a couple of technicians to come
in and rotate all the cutters 1/4 turn. It takes hours to do it right
and hours=dollars.

--

Gerald Ross, Cochran, GA
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:43:59 -0500, Gerald Ross
wrote:


My son uses one in the shop where he works. The little cutter heads are
4 sided and when they get dull, they get a couple of technicians to come
in and rotate all the cutters 1/4 turn. It takes hours to do it right
and hours=dollars.


Hours? How big is the jointer?

I've seen some 12" rotary cutter head jointers that the cutters locked
into each slot. The whole process is simply loosening a screw turning
the cutter and retightening it, no skill involved. One of the selling
points for the rotary head is that unskilled people can fix a knicked
blade.

Are you sure the outside tech's aren't doing other things to the
machine, like a full tune / lube / belt replacement service?

Barry

What is zero tearout worth to you? Edge jointing curly maple with *no*
tearout. I had a chance for the first time a few weeks ago to use a General
(CDN Made) 8" jointer with a helical carbide insert head and it blew me
away. When I get the money, I will be putting a helical cutterhead on my
DJ-30.

David.

Dave

Gotta ask, WHO makes a drop in replacement spiral cutter head for the
DJ30???

John

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:54:06 GMT, "David F. Eisan"
wrote:

What is zero tearout worth to you? Edge jointing curly maple with *no*
tearout. I had a chance for the first time a few weeks ago to use a General
(CDN Made) 8" jointer with a helical carbide insert head and it blew me
away. When I get the money, I will be putting a helical cutterhead on my
DJ-30.

David.

Gotta ask, WHO makes a drop in replacement spiral cutter head for the
DJ30???

http://www.byrdtool.com/




" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:43:59 -0500, Gerald Ross
wrote:


My son uses one in the shop where he works. The little cutter heads are
4 sided and when they get dull, they get a couple of technicians to come
in and rotate all the cutters 1/4 turn. It takes hours to do it right
and hours=dollars.

What kind of machine? If you are comparing a big industrial unit against
the Grizzly, this would be misleading. I just don't think Grizzly has a
team of technicians wandering around your town to adjust cutter heads.

OTOH, the planer/jointer where I buy my wood I can believe it. Motor is
about 35 hp and will take 24" wide stock easily removing 1/2" or more at a
pass and doing both sides at the same time. It has a series of helical
cutters.
Ed

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:52:17 -0500, John
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Gotta ask, WHO makes a drop in replacement spiral cutter head for the
DJ30???

http://www.byrdtool.com/


" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"

GG

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:43:59 -0500, Gerald Ross
wrote:


My son uses one in the shop where he works. The little cutter heads are
4 sided and when they get dull, they get a couple of technicians to
come
in and rotate all the cutters 1/4 turn. It takes hours to do it right
and hours=dollars.

What kind of machine? If you are comparing a big industrial unit against
the Grizzly, this would be misleading. I just don't think Grizzly has a
team of technicians wandering around your town to adjust cutter heads.

OTOH, the planer/jointer where I buy my wood I can believe it. Motor is
about 35 hp and will take 24" wide stock easily removing 1/2" or more at a
pass and doing both sides at the same time. It has a series of helical
cutters.
Ed

Looking at the Grizzly website it says "indexable carbide inserts". To me
it sounds like there is a detente that would allow them to be easily
aligned. Seems a whole lot easier than changing 4 traditional knives and
getting them all aligned (something I still haven't attempted on my G0500
even though it is probably time.)

Montyhp

I have a 18in Woodmaster planer, and noticed that they want MORE for
the spiral head for the WoodMaster than I paid for the entire
WoodMaster package (planer, sander, molding head, etc.) Better be one
HECK of an improvement for $2000+ to move to spiral cutter head

John

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:28:40 GMT, Steve Knight
wrote:


Gotta ask, WHO makes a drop in replacement spiral cutter head for the
DJ30???

http://www.byrdtool.com/




" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"

If the price for the DJ30 head is comparable to what they want for a
head for my WoodMaster, that turns the DJ30 into a $5000+ jointer

John

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:28:40 GMT, Steve Knight
wrote:


http://www.byrdtool.com/

Thanks everyone for you input. It's a hard decision when the 12"
jointer can be had for the same price as the 8" with the spiral cutter
head. Sounds like it's worth it though.

brian



Steve Knight wrote in message . ..
On 25 Jun 2004 09:44:21 -0700, (brian lanning) wrote:

I've been eyeing the spiral cutter heads on some of grizzly's jointers
and planers. At first glance, I really like the idea. But they're so
much more expensive. Does anyone have one of these machines and would
you say that it was worth the extra expense?

if you do a lot of figured woods or work a lot of tropicals they can be.
tropicals plane better then domestic woos but they dull the blades faster.



" Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines"

(brian lanning) writes:
I've been eyeing the spiral cutter heads on some of grizzly's jointers
and planers.

FYI I've had the spiral head G0543 (8") on backorder since March, and
the current ETA is September :-(

Eyeballing is about all you can do with them at the moment.

Steve Knight writes:
http://www.byrdtool.com/

Ok, I checked these folks out. Since the cutters aren't square to the
axis, they can't make a flat surface (the cutter corners are slightly
futher away from the center of rotation than the center of the faces;
they should make shallow beads and leave lines on the wood). Can
anyone explain what they were thinking, and/or how this really works?

On 01 Jul 2004 17:45:24 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:


Steve Knight writes:
http://www.byrdtool.com/

Ok, I checked these folks out. Since the cutters aren't square to the
axis, they can't make a flat surface (the cutter corners are slightly
futher away from the center of rotation than the center of the faces;
they should make shallow beads and leave lines on the wood). Can
anyone explain what they were thinking, and/or how this really works?


http://www.byrdtool.com/Difference.gif

writes:
http://www.byrdtool.com/Difference.gif

I saw that, but missed the "radius ground on knives" note. Still, it
says "reduces lines" - not eliminate them. The question is, do they
grind such that the entire cutting edge is equidistant from the axis?
They don't say.

This worried me also:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...r=H2334&&DID=6

Why are they an "outlet item" in limited quanities? Does this mean
that they just don't like to stock a lot of them? Or are they about
to disconinue the spiral cutter heads?

brian


DJ Delorie wrote in message
...
(brian lanning) writes:
I've been eyeing the spiral cutter heads on some of grizzly's jointers
and planers.

FYI I've had the spiral head G0543 (8") on backorder since March, and
the current ETA is September :-(

Eyeballing is about all you can do with them at the moment.

(brian lanning) writes:
Why are they an "outlet item" in limited quanities? Does this mean
that they just don't like to stock a lot of them? Or are they about
to discontinue the spiral cutter heads?

That's not the cutter the G0543 uses, though. Maybe they're for a
previous model? The spiral head cutters are new, and they've been
increasing the number of models with them over the years (you can get
a 6" spiral jointer now too).

In fact, the G9961 calls for H5307 cutters in the 2004 catalog, not
the H2334 you link to. I suspect they've just been upgraded.

As for the 8" spiral jointer, the folks at Grizzly say they haven't
even started getting them in yet, so I doubt they'll be discontinuing
them yet ;-)

Rotate it a bit and look again (if you can visualize this). They cut smooth.
"DJ Delorie" wrote in message
...

Steve Knight writes:
http://www.byrdtool.com/

Ok, I checked these folks out. Since the cutters aren't square to the
axis, they can't make a flat surface (the cutter corners are slightly
futher away from the center of rotation than the center of the faces;
they should make shallow beads and leave lines on the wood). Can
anyone explain what they were thinking, and/or how this really works?

Good illustration but wrong terminology. Spiral does not apply to either.
They are both helixes.

wrote in message
news
On 01 Jul 2004 17:45:24 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:


Steve Knight writes:
http://www.byrdtool.com/

Ok, I checked these folks out. Since the cutters aren't square to the
axis, they can't make a flat surface (the cutter corners are slightly
futher away from the center of rotation than the center of the faces;
they should make shallow beads and leave lines on the wood). Can
anyone explain what they were thinking, and/or how this really works?


http://www.byrdtool.com/Difference.gif

DJ Delorie wrote in message ...
As for the 8" spiral jointer, the folks at Grizzly say they haven't
even started getting them in yet, so I doubt they'll be discontinuing
them yet ;-)

I guess you're right. "Honny, I'm sorry, we have to get the 12" jointer!"

brian

"Montyhp" wrote in message \


Looking at the Grizzly website it says "indexable carbide inserts". To me
it sounds like there is a detente that would allow them to be easily
aligned. Seems a whole lot easier than changing 4 traditional knives and
getting them all aligned (something I still haven't attempted on my G0500
even though it is probably time.)

Montyhp


Yeah, I've seen the Grizzly spiral cutterhead, and those blades aren't
difficult to rotate. Though I doubt they can be sharpened, which to
me, is a downside. So, you get 4 rotations and then discard. I
prefer the standard knives that can be sharpened. And, if you desire,
you can always by a set of carbide jointer knives.

I just bought the G0500 myself. Gave some serious thought to the
spiral cutterhead version beforehand, but in the end opted for the
knives.

Brian.

Interesting. I wasn't quite so blown away when I saw spiral
cutterheads in action. Curly maple just doesn't seem to tear out when
my knives are sufficiently sharp, either. Go figure.

Brian.


"David F. Eisan" wrote in message ogers.com...
What is zero tearout worth to you? Edge jointing curly maple with *no*
tearout. I had a chance for the first time a few weeks ago to use a General
(CDN Made) 8" jointer with a helical carbide insert head and it blew me
away. When I get the money, I will be putting a helical cutterhead on my
DJ-30.

David.

(brian lanning) writes:
I guess you're right. "Honny, I'm sorry, we have to get the 12" jointer!"

I admit I drooled over the 12" jointer for a while. I can barely
justify the 8" jointer :-P

(Brian) writes:
Though I doubt they can be sharpened, which to me, is a downside.
So, you get 4 rotations and then discard.

They're only $2 each. That's $0.50 per nick, or 60 nicks per
resharpening trip. TOSS THEM. Life is too short.