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Swingman wrote:
... two cops, I mean two, count'em TWO cops, loaded down with weapons worthy of a military exercise, came out and ordered me to quit mowing my postage stamp of a yard at 11:30AM last Sunday ... a yard for which I pay $13k + a year in property taxes for the privilege; and half of that to pay for a broken educational system where 61.7% of the students are from parents who are mostly here illegally, and only 7.8% of the entire student body remotely share my heritage: $13-freakin'-K? Geezus Swingman - you gotta get outa there. I live in cental NY (land of high taxes...) and only pay half that for my house and 20 acres. I mow my lawn whenever I damned well please. No noise ordinance in our town. I restore and paint cars right in my garage, grind and shape steel, and at the right time of the year, walk right out back in the woods and shoot deer. http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnec...52 147fa6RCRD Could not load this link. What would we do without these types of safeguards on our lives, eh? We are past due for a revolution, but don't hold your breath. I fought once, supposedly for this countries _values_ (Ha!) but no way would I do it again for the current crop of ****head "citizens". AMEN BROTHER!!! Preach it! And... don't forget to mention your "smokin' hot wife" in your preaching. (google NASCAR & smokin' hot wife if you don't get it). You got what you deserved, America ... including a politicized climate. Yup. -- -Mike- |
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In article , Swingman wrote:
[...] Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but IMO, for the worse! Isn't that the truth. My home town is Muskegon, Michigan, a city of some 60K people, I think, when I lived there in the 1960s. I remember frequently going downtown to the library, on the bus, *alone*, at the age of six or seven. It was perfectly safe. Any parent who allowed a child to do that now would be facing an investigation by Child Protective Services. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
The idea is that if they have to make ends meet on the same kind of budget that most of us have available to us they might be a bit more frugal. But that's false logic. They have to deal with totally different issues. Not to say they couldn't improve their decisions, but to expect those running a country to bring individual priniciples to bear against the demands of a country, is not realistic. But they can vote themselves raises and vote the government raises and it all comes out of the pockets of people who don't have that luxury. Now you're close to my real gripe. I don't mind them making money, but when they decide that the electorate (SSI recipients, etc.) don't need more than 1-3% increase, but vote themselves much larger increases, then I have a problem. -- -Mike- |
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On 7/31/2011 12:57 PM, Han wrote:
You're giving me more reasons not to go to Houston. And I had been believing that Texas was God's country {actually, a friend from long ago thought of NH as that). /tongue thing Han, you come to Houston, you stay with friends, you need nothing else (except a pair of shorts and a tee shirt). LOL ... A good part of Texas is still just that. But it too has changed. Running an O&G lease brokerage and exploration company in the 70's and 80's, and therefore being heavily involved in land, land titles, and buying leases from farmers and ranchers, there were still plenty of landowners living, farming and ranching on the land for three or more generations ... now most of those folks are gone and absentee and corporate ownership has supplanted that way of life. An age based perspective on the way things have changed leaves much of it unrecognizable ... Austin is a prime example, might as well be in Lalafornia (Sorry, Steve ... ). That said, I'm certain my grandfathers said the same things about their times. Actually, living here in NJhttp://radburn.org in a small village within a village has advantages. I can talk to the mayor etc, etc. Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd prefer not. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/31/2011 1:19 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
In articleO6mdnaGFKsha4KjTnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews. com, wrote: [...] Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but IMO, for the worse! Isn't that the truth. My home town is Muskegon, Michigan, a city of some 60K people, I think, when I lived there in the 1960s. I remember frequently going downtown to the library, on the bus, *alone*, at the age of six or seven. It was perfectly safe. Any parent who allowed a child to do that now would be facing an investigation by Child Protective Services. Yep ... I've told the story here before of riding my buckskin mare to school of a morning, carrying my shotgun and shell vest to leave with the shop teacher, so I could go dove hunting on the way home. Lord have mercy, can you imagine doing that now?!? We were indeed fortunate to live in those times, Doug. I just wished my kids could have had the same experience. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/31/2011 1:19 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Swingman wrote: $13-freakin'-K? Geezus Swingman - you gotta get outa there. I live in cental NY (land of high taxes...) and only pay half that for my house and 20 acres. I mow my lawn whenever I damned well please. No noise ordinance in our town. I restore and paint cars right in my garage, grind and shape steel, and at the right time of the year, walk right out back in the woods and shoot deer. http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnec...52 147fa6RCRD Could not load this link. Worked fine this morning. Not unusual, though. HISD's IT department, and much of the staff, has a collective IQ well to the left hand, bottom side of the bell curve ... I rest my case. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/31/2011 1:28 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:27:51 -0400, Jack Stein wrote: Their salaries are no biggie, throw in all the perks and you get a little bigger. One of the perks which you may or may not have included is the large staffs of reps and sens. Something over 15,000 in total. Their salaries and benefits add up to quite a bit. I wonder if a senator with 34 staff members ever actually reads a bill before he or she signs it? For more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_staff To quote Nancy Pelosi: "you can read it after it is approve" in a statement made when health care "reform" was being forced down the throat of the American People |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 7/31/2011 1:19 PM, Doug Miller wrote: In articleO6mdnaGFKsha4KjTnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews. com, wrote: [...] Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but IMO, for the worse! Isn't that the truth. My home town is Muskegon, Michigan, a city of some 60K people, I think, when I lived there in the 1960s. I remember frequently going downtown to the library, on the bus, *alone*, at the age of six or seven. It was perfectly safe. Any parent who allowed a child to do that now would be facing an investigation by Child Protective Services. Yep ... I've told the story here before of riding my buckskin mare to school of a morning, carrying my shotgun and shell vest to leave with the shop teacher, so I could go dove hunting on the way home. Lord have mercy, can you imagine doing that now?!? We were indeed fortunate to live in those times, Doug. I just wished my kids could have had the same experience. I wasn't one for hunting when a kid (and not now either). But I did go iceskating on the frozen meadows that the Rhine near Wageningen had inundated in winter. However, I was warned when going into the "forest" nearby for unexploded ordinance from the WWII battles nearby. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 7/31/2011 1:39 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:l6ednQ_ Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd prefer not. Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane, One would think. However, we lost our home, and most everything in it, to flood waters from Tropical Storm Allison in June 2001 ... and were not in the 100 year flood plain. (Besides the natural event, **** poor planning and performance of the area's flood control districts was a major contributor ... IOW, our brand new storm sewer system, put in at HUGE expense to the tax payer, had a "restrictor" placed in it to keep downstream from flooding, flooding us instead ... it's still there ... a government project, in case you didn't guess.) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/31/2011 1:41 PM, Han wrote:
Austin is still touted as a nice livable city (at least by HGTV). Looked nice on those programs too. Only if you ride a bicyle ... Don't believe ANYTHING you see on TV, Han! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On 7/31/2011 2:30 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: The idea is that if they have to make ends meet on the same kind of budget that most of us have available to us they might be a bit more frugal. But that's false logic. They have to deal with totally different issues. Not to say they couldn't improve their decisions, but to expect those running a country to bring individual priniciples to bear against the demands of a country, is not realistic. But they can vote themselves raises and vote the government raises and it all comes out of the pockets of people who don't have that luxury. Now you're close to my real gripe. I don't mind them making money, but when they decide that the electorate (SSI recipients, etc.) don't need more than 1-3% increase, but vote themselves much larger increases, then I have a problem. If the government can not work within a balanced budget how do the states that require the state operate with a balanced budget exist. Indiana is one of those states and in the obama depression has manage to end the year with about a 1.3 billion dollar surplus. It does not matter if you are a teenager working on a summer job, or the president of the United States, a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent. |
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On 7/31/2011 2:03 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Jack Stein wrote: Their salaries are no biggie, throw in all the perks and you get a little bigger. Throw in the corruption, and now you are talking confiscatory tax rates, trillion dollar deficits and so on. Thank god dead Rep. John Murtha is a good example: http://tinyurl.com/c8xs76. That crook should have been tarred and feathered years ago. There are a gaggle of them in Washington, and they all need thrown out of office, about all socialist democrats, and about all the old school republicans. That's an entirely different matter Jack. The original comment was lamenting the salaries of listed public officials. My comment was agreeing with the original comment,(salaries are no biggie.) The problem isn't just the salaries though, and threads always evolve into more than the original comments. In this case, my comments seem rather a natural segue from the original comment. More so than lawnmower noise anyway... Actually, I think the problem is someone misplaced the tar and feathers... John Murtha, who lived just a short hop from me, was a crook and while his salary was no biggie, everything else about screamed for tar and feathers. Thank god he's gone, and too bad there are so many clones of that SOB polluting Washington D.C. -- Jack Got Change: Democratic Republic ====== Banana Republic! http://jbstein.com |
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On 7/31/2011 1:31 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/31/2011 12:57 PM, Han wrote: You're giving me more reasons not to go to Houston. And I had been believing that Texas was God's country {actually, a friend from long ago thought of NH as that). /tongue thing Han, you come to Houston, you stay with friends, you need nothing else (except a pair of shorts and a tee shirt). LOL ... A good part of Texas is still just that. But it too has changed. Running an O&G lease brokerage and exploration company in the 70's and 80's, and therefore being heavily involved in land, land titles, and buying leases from farmers and ranchers, there were still plenty of landowners living, farming and ranching on the land for three or more generations ... now most of those folks are gone and absentee and corporate ownership has supplanted that way of life. An age based perspective on the way things have changed leaves much of it unrecognizable ... Austin is a prime example, might as well be in Lalafornia (Sorry, Steve ... ). Won't argue with that. I like living *close* to Austin (in Pflugerville, a suburb about 20 miles north) because it's prosperous, has lots of resources but is not too big (I hate BIG towns like Houston and Dallas), the standard of living is good, unemployment is low, and my own employer (IBM) seems to want to keep me. But I'm a country boy at heart, and I don't *go* to Austin unless I have a damn good reason. :-) -- "Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day." (From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago) To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On 7/31/2011 1:44 PM, Han wrote:
I wasn't one for hunting when a kid (and not now either). But I did go iceskating on the frozen meadows that the Rhine near Wageningen had inundated in winter. However, I was warned when going into the "forest" nearby for unexploded ordinance from the WWII battles nearby. As 14 year old, I used to take an 11' flat bottomed jon boat, with a 5 HP Johnston motor on it, out into the bays of the Gulf Coast, by myself, to go duck hunting. Do this when a Norther blows in (IOW, the best duck hunting weather), on an outgoing tide, and you had to wait until evening for the next tide came in to get back to shore ... I'm talking maybe ten to fifteen miles to the nearest walkable, dry (relatively) land. I don't recall the coast guard ever being called to the rescue, and AAMOF, I don't even think my parents were ever the least bit worried, or even missed me. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Han wrote:
Swingman wrote in news:l6ednQ_ : Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd prefer not. Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane, I hope ... Fair Lawn is a "borough" or "boro" of ~17K people, close to Paterson, NJ, the old silk city, now not too rich anymore, but still with its Great Falls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_F...ssaic_River%29 You're in trouble Han - I'm going to look you up on one of my trips to NJ. I get down to Woodbridge from time to time. I don't think that is very far from Fair lawn/Paterson - can you confirm? Dinner and drinks on me if it's close enough. -- -Mike- |
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Swingman wrote:
Yep ... I've told the story here before of riding my buckskin mare to school of a morning, carrying my shotgun and shell vest to leave with the shop teacher, so I could go dove hunting on the way home. Well, I'm a little younger than Swing - we had gasoline engines and school buses when I went to school... That said - I remember taking my shotgun on the bus, sticking it in my locker in the hall, and taking the bus (another bus) home with my friend to go shoot rabbits and squirrels. No note from home, no security issues - just a couple of country kids going hunting. Lord have mercy, can you imagine doing that now?!? Hell no! It's a gun - there must be danger involved! Quick - get the soccer moms... We were indeed fortunate to live in those times, Doug. I just wished my kids could have had the same experience. Mine didn't either, but they at least grew up to know about it and to realize the difference between dangerous people and normal people - and that said difference was not define by the presence of a gun. They also know how to shoot... -- -Mike- |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 7/31/2011 1:39 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:l6ednQ_ Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd prefer not. Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane, One would think. However, we lost our home, and most everything in it, to flood waters from Tropical Storm Allison in June 2001 ... and were not in the 100 year flood plain. (Besides the natural event, **** poor planning and performance of the area's flood control districts was a major contributor ... IOW, our brand new storm sewer system, put in at HUGE expense to the tax payer, had a "restrictor" placed in it to keep downstream from flooding, flooding us instead ... it's still there ... a government project, in case you didn't guess.) We deal with a somewhat similar situation here. The Passaic river is mainly a rain-fed river, so if it rains hard and long, the floodplains fill. Some people had decided to build their homes there. In the last 2 years we have had 3 100 year floods there. Personally we are not affected unless you count the fact that son-in-law has to drive 45+ min to get to his teaching job rather than 10 min. And, oh, yes,he had an extra week of teaching at the end of the past year because school had been canceled so much that it had to be made up. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in
: Han wrote: Swingman wrote in news:l6ednQ_ : Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd prefer not. Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane, I hope ... Fair Lawn is a "borough" or "boro" of ~17K people, close to Paterson, NJ, the old silk city, now not too rich anymore, but still with its Great Falls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_F...ssaic_River%29 You're in trouble Han - I'm going to look you up on one of my trips to NJ. I get down to Woodbridge from time to time. I don't think that is very far from Fair lawn/Paterson - can you confirm? Dinner and drinks on me if it's close enough. Far is relative. It depends from which direction you come/go. We're north of Woodbridge by about 50 or so minutes, almost all Parkway (says Google). We're on the other side of Newark from Woodbridge, and traffic can be rough. Let me know when you're coming!! -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Sound like my neighbor who thinks dogs don't bark at 1100 am or even 100 pm.
snip I understand, and agree with the spirit of the recently changed (with no public notice ... apparently they, the city officials, forgot??)) city ordinance, but not, as indicated, the implementation. AAMOF, I immediately knocked on all my adjacent neighbor's doors and apologized for being a criminal ... not a one even knew I have been mowing. Besides, I already own a lawnmower. One that makes considerably less noise than the gas powered leaf blowers and weed eaters that disrupt EACH block for an average of 15 hours, six days a week, starting at 7AM. Unlike most of the yuppies assholes who live here, I mow my own yard and prefer to do it on Sunday mornings because I have to work the other six and half days a week to pay the ****ing taxes!! Actually, I had already mowed the yard (a ten minute job) and was using an electric weed eater (which makes a swishing sound at less than 60db) when shut down. Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but IMO, for the worse! |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 7/31/2011 1:41 PM, Han wrote: Austin is still touted as a nice livable city (at least by HGTV). Looked nice on those programs too. Only if you ride a bicyle ... I'm Dutch, I ride a bicycle (short distances, anyway like the 400 yards to the train station). Don't believe ANYTHING you see on TV, Han! Believe me, Karl, cynical is my middle name. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 7/31/2011 1:44 PM, Han wrote: I wasn't one for hunting when a kid (and not now either). But I did go iceskating on the frozen meadows that the Rhine near Wageningen had inundated in winter. However, I was warned when going into the "forest" nearby for unexploded ordinance from the WWII battles nearby. As 14 year old, I used to take an 11' flat bottomed jon boat, with a 5 HP Johnston motor on it, out into the bays of the Gulf Coast, by myself, to go duck hunting. Do this when a Norther blows in (IOW, the best duck hunting weather), on an outgoing tide, and you had to wait until evening for the next tide came in to get back to shore ... I'm talking maybe ten to fifteen miles to the nearest walkable, dry (relatively) land. I don't recall the coast guard ever being called to the rescue, and AAMOF, I don't even think my parents were ever the least bit worried, or even missed me. Reminds me of later years in high school. I was a member of the rowing and sailing club (sailing is better, because it is less work hehe). There were 3 of us in a canoe outfitted with a sail, in April. Was blowing quite hard, so all 3 of us had to lean to windward. Wind was from the west, Rhine was flowing east to west, generating waves traveling westwards. Suddenly the wind fell away, and we all fell overboard to windward. Rescue was fast, but it was cold, in April. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 7/31/2011 2:19 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Well, I'm a little younger than Swing - we had gasoline engines and school buses when I went to school... LOL ... hell, even we had gasoline engines in those days. Mine was in the form of a '49 Willys Jeepster (paid $200 for it out of summer jobs) that I drove to school so I wouldn't have to ride the bus (unless Diana Dukes happened to take it because her mother didn't want her riding with me that day, probably due to the gleam in my eye). -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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k-nuttle wrote in news:j148bo$9cb$1@dont-
email.me: a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Han wrote:
Far is relative. It depends from which direction you come/go. We're north of Woodbridge by about 50 or so minutes, almost all Parkway (says Google). We're on the other side of Newark from Woodbridge, and traffic can be rough. Let me know when you're coming!! I come down from Syracuse, so maybe it can be a good meet. -- -Mike- |
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Swingman wrote:
On 7/31/2011 2:19 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Well, I'm a little younger than Swing - we had gasoline engines and school buses when I went to school... LOL ... hell, even we had gasoline engines in those days. Mine was in the form of a '49 Willys Jeepster (paid $200 for it out of summer jobs) that I drove to school so I wouldn't have to ride the bus (unless Diana Dukes happened to take it because her mother didn't want her riding with me that day, probably due to the gleam in my eye). Understand that gleam in the eye thing... you dirty old dog, you... -- -Mike- |
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k-nuttle wrote:
If the government can not work within a balanced budget how do the states that require the state operate with a balanced budget exist. Indiana is one of those states and in the obama depression has manage to end the year with about a 1.3 billion dollar surplus. State mandates, for one, are different topics from Federal suppliments to the states. As for Federal manates to states - well, I agree, but that is not in contrast to anything I stated. It does not matter if you are a teenager working on a summer job, or the president of the United States, a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent. You, as a previous poster - confuse the issue of balanced budgets with the matter of proper slalaries. My post was about the latter. -- -Mike- |
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Jack Stein wrote:
If it DID happen we right-wingers could sustain the coup because we have most of the guns. We don't have nearly as many guns as the government. In fact, if it were up to the left, only the government would have guns, thus, would be rather easy for the government to rule with an iron fist (the left motto) whenever it chooses. To do this, the US would need to undergo a fundamental change from right leaning to far left. This has been going on for around 100 years and in the last few, has rapidly picked up pace, and our current regime actually campaigned on it. But the government would lack enough people to actually FIRE all the guns they have warehoused. Today's military is not composed of automatons or cannon-fodder. Today's general is well aware that the corporal running the radio is as much an expert at his job as the general is at his. The American soldier will NEVER fire on American civilians, no matter who gives the order (unless, of course, those civilians are rioting hippies). |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in news:ce7d8$4e35b7fb
: Han wrote: Far is relative. It depends from which direction you come/go. We're north of Woodbridge by about 50 or so minutes, almost all Parkway (says Google). We're on the other side of Newark from Woodbridge, and traffic can be rough. Let me know when you're coming!! I come down from Syracuse, so maybe it can be a good meet. Looking forward to it. Let me know beforehand so I can give you directions. Check your email, if I decoded it correctly. Email comes from yahoo. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 7/31/2011 12:53 PM, k-nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2011 2:30 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: J. Clarke wrote: The idea is that if they have to make ends meet on the same kind of budget that most of us have available to us they might be a bit more frugal. But that's false logic. They have to deal with totally different issues. Not to say they couldn't improve their decisions, but to expect those running a country to bring individual priniciples to bear against the demands of a country, is not realistic. But they can vote themselves raises and vote the government raises and it all comes out of the pockets of people who don't have that luxury. Now you're close to my real gripe. I don't mind them making money, but when they decide that the electorate (SSI recipients, etc.) don't need more than 1-3% increase, but vote themselves much larger increases, then I have a problem. If the government can not work within a balanced budget how do the states that require the state operate with a balanced budget exist. Indiana is one of those states and in the obama depression has manage to end the year with about a 1.3 billion dollar surplus. It does not matter if you are a teenager working on a summer job, or the president of the United States, a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent. Part of the trouble is, our current Prez and a good part of Congress consider your money and mine part of the resources they can look to in financing the bloated government they want to give us. |
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:43:56 -0400, k-nuttle wrote:
...when health care "reform" was being forced down the throat of the American People That's a somewhat biased comment. All of the polls I saw showed pretty much a 50-50 split - half approved, half didn't. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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On 7/31/2011 3:38 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:j148bo$9cb$1@dont- email.me: a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say. You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to cover the deficiencies About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the US government and some states. I believe all of the states with budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must manage their excess and deficient revenues. |
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In article , Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:43:56 -0400, k-nuttle wrote: ...when health care "reform" was being forced down the throat of the American People That's a somewhat biased comment. All of the polls I saw showed pretty much a 50-50 split - half approved, half didn't. That's because we hadn't read it yet. g After people learned what it was about, support for it dropped a bit. |
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On 7/31/2011 12:38 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in news:j148bo$9cb$1@dont- email.me: a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say. Apparently then, we've had rising unemployment and its associated budget problems since Ike was President. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm |
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Doug Winterburn wrote in
eb.com: On 7/31/2011 12:38 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:j148bo$9cb$1@dont- email.me: a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say. Apparently then, we've had rising unemployment and its associated budget problems since Ike was President. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm I'm confused. Is that inflation-adjusted or not? And of course the debt goes up. Congress keeps authorizing constituent-friendly programs, and congresscritters keep hunting for ways to get reelected. Unemployment of course keeps fluctuating. When all those troops go home, it'll go up again, because a) Those troops will go after a decreasing number of jobs they are qualified for and b) all those military support jobs will dry up. Not that I find that in itself a bad thing, mind you, but what constructive jobs will be there for those people? -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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k-nuttle wrote:
You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to cover the deficiencies About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the US government and some states. I believe all of the states with budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must manage their excess and deficient revenues. Forty-nine states require a balanced budget. How they get there is interesting: * One way is to determine the state's spending requirements then adjust revenue (i.e., raise taxes) to meet the requirements. * The opposite (my state) is to calculate how much revenue is expected, then adjust projected spending to match. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in
m: k-nuttle wrote: You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to cover the deficiencies About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the US government and some states. I believe all of the states with budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must manage their excess and deficient revenues. Forty-nine states require a balanced budget. How they get there is interesting: * One way is to determine the state's spending requirements then adjust revenue (i.e., raise taxes) to meet the requirements. * The opposite (my state) is to calculate how much revenue is expected, then adjust projected spending to match. I'd venture to guess that most states use "fancy accounting" to balance their budgets. Certainly NY and NJ do. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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In article , "HeyBub" wrote:
k-nuttle wrote: You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to cover the deficiencies About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the US government and some states. I believe all of the states with budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must manage their excess and deficient revenues. Forty-nine states require a balanced budget. How they get there is interesting: * One way is to determine the state's spending requirements then adjust revenue (i.e., raise taxes) to meet the requirements. * The opposite (my state) is to calculate how much revenue is expected, then adjust projected spending to match. Then there's the approach used by a "balanced budget" amendment introduced in Congress in, IIRC, the early 1980s: it would have required the President to submit to Congress an estimate of revenue during the coming fiscal year, and a spending budget that did not exceed the revenue estimate -- but nothing required the estimate to be in any way realistic. A better way, IMHO, would be to require that expenditures in any calendar year not exceed revenues received during the immediately previous calendar year. No estimating, no fudging, just the hard numbers. There would, of course, need to be some means of suspending this requirement during wartime or national emergency. |
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On 8/1/2011 3:56 AM, Han wrote:
Doug wrote in eb.com: On 7/31/2011 12:38 PM, Han wrote: wrote in news:j148bo$9cb$1@dont- email.me: a budget is critical to managing your money and remaining solvent Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say. Apparently then, we've had rising unemployment and its associated budget problems since Ike was President. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm I'm confused. Is that inflation-adjusted or not? Not inflation adjusted, just the actual debt numbers. The annual increases in debt since the Eisenhower administration indicate that spending has outpaced revenue for over 50 years - in other words deficit spending for all that time. There hasn't been a surplus or balanced budget in over half a century, no matter what the media and liberals claim. And of course the debt goes up. Congress keeps authorizing constituent-friendly programs, and congresscritters keep hunting for ways to get reelected. Unemployment of course keeps fluctuating. When all those troops go home, it'll go up again, because a) Those troops will go after a decreasing number of jobs they are qualified for and b) all those military support jobs will dry up. Not that I find that in itself a bad thing, mind you, but what constructive jobs will be there for those people? |
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