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... two cops, I mean two, count'em TWO cops, loaded down with weapons
worthy of a military exercise, came out and ordered me to quit mowing
my postage stamp of a yard at 11:30AM last Sunday ... a yard for
which I pay $13k + a year in property taxes for the privilege; and
half of that to pay for a broken educational system where 61.7% of
the students are from parents who are mostly here illegally, and only
7.8% of the entire student body remotely share my heritage:


$13-freakin'-K? Geezus Swingman - you gotta get outa there. I live in
cental NY (land of high taxes...) and only pay half that for my house and 20
acres. I mow my lawn whenever I damned well please. No noise ordinance in
our town. I restore and paint cars right in my garage, grind and shape
steel, and at the right time of the year, walk right out back in the woods
and shoot deer.


http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnec...52 147fa6RCRD


Could not load this link.


What would we do without these types of safeguards on our lives, eh?

We are past due for a revolution, but don't hold your breath. I fought
once, supposedly for this countries _values_ (Ha!) but no way would I
do it again for the current crop of ****head "citizens".


AMEN BROTHER!!! Preach it! And... don't forget to mention your "smokin'
hot wife" in your preaching. (google NASCAR & smokin' hot wife if you don't
get it).


You got what you deserved, America ... including a politicized
climate.


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In article , Swingman wrote:
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Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't
here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but
IMO, for the worse!


Isn't that the truth. My home town is Muskegon, Michigan, a city of some 60K
people, I think, when I lived there in the 1960s. I remember frequently going
downtown to the library, on the bus, *alone*, at the age of six or seven. It
was perfectly safe.

Any parent who allowed a child to do that now would be facing an investigation
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The idea is that if they have to make ends meet on the same kind of
budget that most of us have available to us they might be a bit more
frugal.


But that's false logic. They have to deal with totally different issues.
Not to say they couldn't improve their decisions, but to expect those
running a country to bring individual priniciples to bear against the
demands of a country, is not realistic.

But they can vote themselves raises and vote the government raises and
it all comes out of the pockets of people who don't have that luxury.


Now you're close to my real gripe. I don't mind them making money, but when
they decide that the electorate (SSI recipients, etc.) don't need more than
1-3% increase, but vote themselves much larger increases, then I have a
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On 7/31/2011 12:57 PM, Han wrote:

You're giving me more reasons not to go to Houston. And I had been
believing that Texas was God's country {actually, a friend from long ago
thought of NH as that).
/tongue thing


Han, you come to Houston, you stay with friends, you need nothing else
(except a pair of shorts and a tee shirt).

LOL ... A good part of Texas is still just that. But it too has changed.
Running an O&G lease brokerage and exploration company in the 70's and
80's, and therefore being heavily involved in land, land titles, and
buying leases from farmers and ranchers, there were still plenty of
landowners living, farming and ranching on the land for three or more
generations ... now most of those folks are gone and absentee and
corporate ownership has supplanted that way of life. An age based
perspective on the way things have changed leaves much of it
unrecognizable ... Austin is a prime example, might as well be in
Lalafornia (Sorry, Steve ... ).

That said, I'm certain my grandfathers said the same things about their
times.

Actually, living here in NJhttp://radburn.org in a small village
within a village has advantages. I can talk to the mayor etc, etc.


Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a
city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd
prefer not.

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On 7/31/2011 1:19 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
In articleO6mdnaGFKsha4KjTnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews. com, wrote:
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Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't
here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but
IMO, for the worse!


Isn't that the truth. My home town is Muskegon, Michigan, a city of some 60K
people, I think, when I lived there in the 1960s. I remember frequently going
downtown to the library, on the bus, *alone*, at the age of six or seven. It
was perfectly safe.

Any parent who allowed a child to do that now would be facing an investigation
by Child Protective Services.


Yep ... I've told the story here before of riding my buckskin mare to
school of a morning, carrying my shotgun and shell vest to leave with
the shop teacher, so I could go dove hunting on the way home.

Lord have mercy, can you imagine doing that now?!?

We were indeed fortunate to live in those times, Doug. I just wished my
kids could have had the same experience.

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On 7/31/2011 1:19 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
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$13-freakin'-K? Geezus Swingman - you gotta get outa there. I live in
cental NY (land of high taxes...) and only pay half that for my house and 20
acres. I mow my lawn whenever I damned well please. No noise ordinance in
our town. I restore and paint cars right in my garage, grind and shape
steel, and at the right time of the year, walk right out back in the woods
and shoot deer.


http://www.houstonisd.org/HISDConnec...52 147fa6RCRD


Could not load this link.



Worked fine this morning.

Not unusual, though. HISD's IT department, and much of the staff, has a
collective IQ well to the left hand, bottom side of the bell curve ... I
rest my case.

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On 7/31/2011 1:28 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:27:51 -0400, Jack Stein wrote:

Their salaries are no biggie, throw in all the perks and you get a
little bigger.


One of the perks which you may or may not have included is the large
staffs of reps and sens. Something over 15,000 in total. Their salaries
and benefits add up to quite a bit.

I wonder if a senator with 34 staff members ever actually reads a bill
before he or she signs it?

For more info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_staff


To quote Nancy Pelosi: "you can read it after it is approve" in a
statement made when health care "reform" was being forced down the
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On 7/31/2011 1:19 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
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wrote: [...]
Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you
weren't here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed,
arguably, but IMO, for the worse!


Isn't that the truth. My home town is Muskegon, Michigan, a city of
some 60K people, I think, when I lived there in the 1960s. I remember
frequently going downtown to the library, on the bus, *alone*, at the
age of six or seven. It was perfectly safe.

Any parent who allowed a child to do that now would be facing an
investigation by Child Protective Services.


Yep ... I've told the story here before of riding my buckskin mare to
school of a morning, carrying my shotgun and shell vest to leave with
the shop teacher, so I could go dove hunting on the way home.

Lord have mercy, can you imagine doing that now?!?

We were indeed fortunate to live in those times, Doug. I just wished
my kids could have had the same experience.


I wasn't one for hunting when a kid (and not now either). But I did go
iceskating on the frozen meadows that the Rhine near Wageningen had
inundated in winter. However, I was warned when going into the "forest"
nearby for unexploded ordinance from the WWII battles nearby.

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Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX) within a
city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine also, but I'd
prefer not.


Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane,



One would think. However, we lost our home, and most everything in it,
to flood waters from Tropical Storm Allison in June 2001 ... and were
not in the 100 year flood plain.

(Besides the natural event, **** poor planning and performance of the
area's flood control districts was a major contributor ... IOW, our
brand new storm sewer system, put in at HUGE expense to the tax payer,
had a "restrictor" placed in it to keep downstream from flooding,
flooding us instead ... it's still there ... a government project, in
case you didn't guess.)

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On 7/31/2011 1:41 PM, Han wrote:

Austin is still touted as a nice livable city (at least by HGTV). Looked
nice on those programs too.


Only if you ride a bicyle ...

Don't believe ANYTHING you see on TV, Han!

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On 7/31/2011 2:30 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:


The idea is that if they have to make ends meet on the same kind of
budget that most of us have available to us they might be a bit more
frugal.


But that's false logic. They have to deal with totally different issues.
Not to say they couldn't improve their decisions, but to expect those
running a country to bring individual priniciples to bear against the
demands of a country, is not realistic.

But they can vote themselves raises and vote the government raises and
it all comes out of the pockets of people who don't have that luxury.


Now you're close to my real gripe. I don't mind them making money, but when
they decide that the electorate (SSI recipients, etc.) don't need more than
1-3% increase, but vote themselves much larger increases, then I have a
problem.


If the government can not work within a balanced budget how do the
states that require the state operate with a balanced budget exist.
Indiana is one of those states and in the obama depression has manage to
end the year with about a 1.3 billion dollar surplus.

It does not matter if you are a teenager working on a summer job, or the
president of the United States, a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent.


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On 7/31/2011 2:03 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
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Their salaries are no biggie, throw in all the perks and you get a
little bigger. Throw in the corruption, and now you are talking
confiscatory tax rates, trillion dollar deficits and so on. Thank god
dead Rep. John Murtha is a good example: http://tinyurl.com/c8xs76.
That crook should have been tarred and feathered years ago. There
are a gaggle of them in Washington, and they all need thrown out of
office, about all socialist democrats, and about all the old school
republicans.


That's an entirely different matter Jack. The original comment was
lamenting the salaries of listed public officials.


My comment was agreeing with the original comment,(salaries are no
biggie.) The problem isn't just the salaries though, and threads always
evolve into more than the original comments. In this case, my comments
seem rather a natural segue from the original comment. More so than
lawnmower noise anyway...

Actually, I think the problem is someone misplaced the tar and
feathers... John Murtha, who lived just a short hop from me, was a
crook and while his salary was no biggie, everything else about screamed
for tar and feathers. Thank god he's gone, and too bad there are so
many clones of that SOB polluting Washington D.C.

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You're giving me more reasons not to go to Houston. And I had been
believing that Texas was God's country {actually, a friend from long ago
thought of NH as that).
/tongue thing


Han, you come to Houston, you stay with friends, you need nothing else (except
a pair of shorts and a tee shirt).

LOL ... A good part of Texas is still just that. But it too has changed.
Running an O&G lease brokerage and exploration company in the 70's and 80's,
and therefore being heavily involved in land, land titles, and buying leases
from farmers and ranchers, there were still plenty of landowners living,
farming and ranching on the land for three or more generations ... now most of
those folks are gone and absentee and corporate ownership has supplanted that
way of life. An age based perspective on the way things have changed leaves
much of it unrecognizable ... Austin is a prime example, might as well be in
Lalafornia (Sorry, Steve ... ).


Won't argue with that. I like living *close* to Austin (in Pflugerville, a
suburb about 20 miles north) because it's prosperous, has lots of resources but
is not too big (I hate BIG towns like Houston and Dallas), the standard of
living is good, unemployment is low, and my own employer (IBM) seems to want to
keep me. But I'm a country boy at heart, and I don't *go* to Austin unless I
have a damn good reason. :-)

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I wasn't one for hunting when a kid (and not now either). But I did go
iceskating on the frozen meadows that the Rhine near Wageningen had
inundated in winter. However, I was warned when going into the "forest"
nearby for unexploded ordinance from the WWII battles nearby.


As 14 year old, I used to take an 11' flat bottomed jon boat, with a 5
HP Johnston motor on it, out into the bays of the Gulf Coast, by myself,
to go duck hunting.

Do this when a Norther blows in (IOW, the best duck hunting weather), on
an outgoing tide, and you had to wait until evening for the next tide
came in to get back to shore ... I'm talking maybe ten to fifteen miles
to the nearest walkable, dry (relatively) land.

I don't recall the coast guard ever being called to the rescue, and
AAMOF, I don't even think my parents were ever the least bit worried, or
even missed me.


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Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX)
within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine
also, but I'd prefer not.


Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane, I
hope ... Fair Lawn is a "borough" or "boro" of ~17K people, close to
Paterson, NJ, the old silk city, now not too rich anymore, but still
with its Great Falls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_F...ssaic_River%29


You're in trouble Han - I'm going to look you up on one of my trips to NJ.
I get down to Woodbridge from time to time. I don't think that is very far
from Fair lawn/Paterson - can you confirm? Dinner and drinks on me if it's
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Yep ... I've told the story here before of riding my buckskin mare to
school of a morning, carrying my shotgun and shell vest to leave with
the shop teacher, so I could go dove hunting on the way home.


Well, I'm a little younger than Swing - we had gasoline engines and school
buses when I went to school...

That said - I remember taking my shotgun on the bus, sticking it in my
locker in the hall, and taking the bus (another bus) home with my friend to
go shoot rabbits and squirrels. No note from home, no security issues -
just a couple of country kids going hunting.


Lord have mercy, can you imagine doing that now?!?


Hell no! It's a gun - there must be danger involved! Quick - get the
soccer moms...


We were indeed fortunate to live in those times, Doug. I just wished
my kids could have had the same experience.


Mine didn't either, but they at least grew up to know about it and to
realize the difference between dangerous people and normal people - and that
said difference was not define by the presence of a gun. They also know how
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Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX)
within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine
also, but I'd prefer not.


Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane,



One would think. However, we lost our home, and most everything in it,
to flood waters from Tropical Storm Allison in June 2001 ... and were
not in the 100 year flood plain.

(Besides the natural event, **** poor planning and performance of the
area's flood control districts was a major contributor ... IOW, our
brand new storm sewer system, put in at HUGE expense to the tax payer,
had a "restrictor" placed in it to keep downstream from flooding,
flooding us instead ... it's still there ... a government project, in
case you didn't guess.)


We deal with a somewhat similar situation here. The Passaic river is
mainly a rain-fed river, so if it rains hard and long, the floodplains
fill. Some people had decided to build their homes there. In the last 2
years we have had 3 100 year floods there. Personally we are not
affected unless you count the fact that son-in-law has to drive 45+ min
to get to his teaching job rather than 10 min. And, oh, yes,he had an
extra week of teaching at the end of the past year because school had
been canceled so much that it had to be made up.

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Han wrote:
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Actually, we live in a city (City of West University Place, TX)
within a city, and bordering another city, so I can talk to mine
also, but I'd prefer not.


Looks far enough from water to stay dry with the next hurricane, I
hope ... Fair Lawn is a "borough" or "boro" of ~17K people, close to
Paterson, NJ, the old silk city, now not too rich anymore, but still
with its Great Falls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_F...ssaic_River%29


You're in trouble Han - I'm going to look you up on one of my trips to
NJ. I get down to Woodbridge from time to time. I don't think that is
very far from Fair lawn/Paterson - can you confirm? Dinner and drinks
on me if it's close enough.


Far is relative. It depends from which direction you come/go. We're
north of Woodbridge by about 50 or so minutes, almost all Parkway (says
Google). We're on the other side of Newark from Woodbridge, and traffic
can be rough. Let me know when you're coming!!


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Sound like my neighbor who thinks dogs don't bark at 1100 am or even 100 pm.
snip

I understand, and agree with the spirit of the recently changed (with no
public notice ... apparently they, the city officials, forgot??)) city
ordinance, but not, as indicated, the implementation.

AAMOF, I immediately knocked on all my adjacent neighbor's doors and
apologized for being a criminal ... not a one even knew I have been mowing.

Besides, I already own a lawnmower. One that makes considerably less
noise than the gas powered leaf blowers and weed eaters that disrupt
EACH block for an average of 15 hours, six days a week, starting at 7AM.

Unlike most of the yuppies assholes who live here, I mow my own yard and
prefer to do it on Sunday mornings because I have to work the other six
and half days a week to pay the ****ing taxes!!

Actually, I had already mowed the yard (a ten minute job) and was using
an electric weed eater (which makes a swishing sound at less than 60db)
when shut down.

Basically, this is NOT the same country I grew up in ... if you weren't
here 50 years ago, you have NO idea how much it's changed, arguably, but
IMO, for the worse!

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Austin is still touted as a nice livable city (at least by HGTV).
Looked nice on those programs too.


Only if you ride a bicyle ...


I'm Dutch, I ride a bicycle (short distances, anyway like the 400 yards to
the train station).

Don't believe ANYTHING you see on TV, Han!


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I wasn't one for hunting when a kid (and not now either). But I did
go iceskating on the frozen meadows that the Rhine near Wageningen
had inundated in winter. However, I was warned when going into the
"forest" nearby for unexploded ordinance from the WWII battles
nearby.


As 14 year old, I used to take an 11' flat bottomed jon boat, with a 5
HP Johnston motor on it, out into the bays of the Gulf Coast, by
myself, to go duck hunting.

Do this when a Norther blows in (IOW, the best duck hunting weather),
on an outgoing tide, and you had to wait until evening for the next
tide came in to get back to shore ... I'm talking maybe ten to fifteen
miles to the nearest walkable, dry (relatively) land.

I don't recall the coast guard ever being called to the rescue, and
AAMOF, I don't even think my parents were ever the least bit worried,
or even missed me.


Reminds me of later years in high school. I was a member of the rowing
and sailing club (sailing is better, because it is less work hehe).
There were 3 of us in a canoe outfitted with a sail, in April. Was
blowing quite hard, so all 3 of us had to lean to windward. Wind was
from the west, Rhine was flowing east to west, generating waves traveling
westwards. Suddenly the wind fell away, and we all fell overboard to
windward. Rescue was fast, but it was cold, in April.


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Well, I'm a little younger than Swing - we had gasoline engines and school
buses when I went to school...


LOL ... hell, even we had gasoline engines in those days. Mine was in
the form of a '49 Willys Jeepster (paid $200 for it out of summer jobs)
that I drove to school so I wouldn't have to ride the bus (unless Diana
Dukes happened to take it because her mother didn't want her riding with
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a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent


Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance
outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and
expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to
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Far is relative. It depends from which direction you come/go. We're
north of Woodbridge by about 50 or so minutes, almost all Parkway
(says Google). We're on the other side of Newark from Woodbridge,
and traffic can be rough. Let me know when you're coming!!


I come down from Syracuse, so maybe it can be a good meet.


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Well, I'm a little younger than Swing - we had gasoline engines and
school buses when I went to school...


LOL ... hell, even we had gasoline engines in those days. Mine was in
the form of a '49 Willys Jeepster (paid $200 for it out of summer
jobs) that I drove to school so I wouldn't have to ride the bus
(unless Diana Dukes happened to take it because her mother didn't
want her riding with me that day, probably due to the gleam in my
eye).


Understand that gleam in the eye thing... you dirty old dog, you...

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If the government can not work within a balanced budget how do the
states that require the state operate with a balanced budget exist.
Indiana is one of those states and in the obama depression has manage
to end the year with about a 1.3 billion dollar surplus.


State mandates, for one, are different topics from Federal suppliments to
the states. As for Federal manates to states - well, I agree, but that is
not in contrast to anything I stated.


It does not matter if you are a teenager working on a summer job, or
the president of the United States, a budget is critical to managing
your money and remaining solvent.


You, as a previous poster - confuse the issue of balanced budgets with the
matter of proper slalaries. My post was about the latter.

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If it DID happen we right-wingers could sustain the coup because we
have most of the guns.


We don't have nearly as many guns as the government. In fact, if it
were up to the left, only the government would have guns, thus, would
be rather easy for the government to rule with an iron fist (the left
motto) whenever it chooses. To do this, the US would need to undergo
a fundamental change from right leaning to far left. This has been
going on for around 100 years and in the last few, has rapidly picked
up pace, and our current regime actually campaigned on it.


But the government would lack enough people to actually FIRE all the guns
they have warehoused.

Today's military is not composed of automatons or cannon-fodder. Today's
general is well aware that the corporal running the radio is as much an
expert at his job as the general is at his.

The American soldier will NEVER fire on American civilians, no matter who
gives the order (unless, of course, those civilians are rioting hippies).


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Han wrote:


Far is relative. It depends from which direction you come/go. We're
north of Woodbridge by about 50 or so minutes, almost all Parkway
(says Google). We're on the other side of Newark from Woodbridge,
and traffic can be rough. Let me know when you're coming!!


I come down from Syracuse, so maybe it can be a good meet.


Looking forward to it. Let me know beforehand so I can give you
directions. Check your email, if I decoded it correctly. Email comes from
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On 7/31/2011 12:53 PM, k-nuttle wrote:
On 7/31/2011 2:30 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:


The idea is that if they have to make ends meet on the same kind of
budget that most of us have available to us they might be a bit more
frugal.


But that's false logic. They have to deal with totally different issues.
Not to say they couldn't improve their decisions, but to expect those
running a country to bring individual priniciples to bear against the
demands of a country, is not realistic.

But they can vote themselves raises and vote the government raises and
it all comes out of the pockets of people who don't have that luxury.


Now you're close to my real gripe. I don't mind them making money, but
when
they decide that the electorate (SSI recipients, etc.) don't need more
than
1-3% increase, but vote themselves much larger increases, then I have a
problem.


If the government can not work within a balanced budget how do the
states that require the state operate with a balanced budget exist.
Indiana is one of those states and in the obama depression has manage to
end the year with about a 1.3 billion dollar surplus.

It does not matter if you are a teenager working on a summer job, or the
president of the United States, a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent.


Part of the trouble is, our current Prez and a good part of Congress
consider your money and mine part of the resources they can look to in
financing the bloated government they want to give us.
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:43:56 -0400, k-nuttle wrote:

...when health care "reform" was being forced down the throat of the

American People

That's a somewhat biased comment. All of the polls I saw showed pretty
much a 50-50 split - half approved, half didn't.

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On 7/31/2011 3:38 PM, Han wrote:
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a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent


Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance
outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and
expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to
balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say.

You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all
possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve is
part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to cover
the deficiencies

About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the US
government and some states. I believe all of the states with budget
problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All successful
companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must manage their
excess and deficient revenues.
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In article , Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:43:56 -0400, k-nuttle wrote:

...when health care "reform" was being forced down the throat of the

American People

That's a somewhat biased comment. All of the polls I saw showed pretty
much a 50-50 split - half approved, half didn't.

That's because we hadn't read it yet. g

After people learned what it was about, support for it dropped a bit.
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On 7/31/2011 12:38 PM, Han wrote:
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a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent


Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to balance
outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising unemployment and
expenses increase (because of rising unemployment), it'll be difficult to
balance outlays and revenues, no matter what last year's plans say.


Apparently then, we've had rising unemployment and its associated budget
problems since Ike was President.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm


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On 7/31/2011 12:38 PM, Han wrote:
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a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent


Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to
balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising
unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment),
it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what
last year's plans say.


Apparently then, we've had rising unemployment and its associated
budget problems since Ike was President.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm


I'm confused. Is that inflation-adjusted or not? And of course the debt
goes up. Congress keeps authorizing constituent-friendly programs, and
congresscritters keep hunting for ways to get reelected. Unemployment of
course keeps fluctuating. When all those troops go home, it'll go up
again, because a) Those troops will go after a decreasing number of jobs
they are qualified for and b) all those military support jobs will dry
up. Not that I find that in itself a bad thing, mind you, but what
constructive jobs will be there for those people?


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k-nuttle wrote:

You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all
possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve
is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to
cover the deficiencies

About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the
US government and some states. I believe all of the states with
budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All
successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must
manage their excess and deficient revenues.


Forty-nine states require a balanced budget. How they get there is
interesting:

* One way is to determine the state's spending requirements then adjust
revenue (i.e., raise taxes) to meet the requirements.

* The opposite (my state) is to calculate how much revenue is expected, then
adjust projected spending to match.


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k-nuttle wrote:

You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all
possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve
is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to
cover the deficiencies

About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the
US government and some states. I believe all of the states with
budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All
successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must
manage their excess and deficient revenues.


Forty-nine states require a balanced budget. How they get there is
interesting:

* One way is to determine the state's spending requirements then
adjust revenue (i.e., raise taxes) to meet the requirements.

* The opposite (my state) is to calculate how much revenue is
expected, then adjust projected spending to match.


I'd venture to guess that most states use "fancy accounting" to balance
their budgets. Certainly NY and NJ do.

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In article , "HeyBub" wrote:
k-nuttle wrote:

You are right a budget is a plan where you have considered all
possibilities with plans for excesses and deficiencies. The reserve
is part of the budget and absorbs the excess and can proved funds to
cover the deficiencies

About the only entities that try to operate with out a budget is the
US government and some states. I believe all of the states with
budget problems do not have the balance budget requirement. All
successful companies work to a budget, and as private entities, must
manage their excess and deficient revenues.


Forty-nine states require a balanced budget. How they get there is
interesting:

* One way is to determine the state's spending requirements then adjust
revenue (i.e., raise taxes) to meet the requirements.

* The opposite (my state) is to calculate how much revenue is expected, then
adjust projected spending to match.


Then there's the approach used by a "balanced budget" amendment introduced in
Congress in, IIRC, the early 1980s: it would have required the President to
submit to Congress an estimate of revenue during the coming fiscal year, and a
spending budget that did not exceed the revenue estimate -- but nothing
required the estimate to be in any way realistic.

A better way, IMHO, would be to require that expenditures in any calendar year
not exceed revenues received during the immediately previous calendar year. No
estimating, no fudging, just the hard numbers. There would, of course, need to
be some means of suspending this requirement during wartime or national
emergency.
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On 8/1/2011 3:56 AM, Han wrote:
Doug wrote in
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On 7/31/2011 12:38 PM, Han wrote:
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a budget is critical to managing your
money and remaining solvent

Problem is that a budget is just a plan. The difficult thing is to
balance outlays and revenues. If revenues drop because of rising
unemployment and expenses increase (because of rising unemployment),
it'll be difficult to balance outlays and revenues, no matter what
last year's plans say.


Apparently then, we've had rising unemployment and its associated
budget problems since Ike was President.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm


I'm confused. Is that inflation-adjusted or not?


Not inflation adjusted, just the actual debt numbers. The annual
increases in debt since the Eisenhower administration indicate that
spending has outpaced revenue for over 50 years - in other words deficit
spending for all that time. There hasn't been a surplus or balanced
budget in over half a century, no matter what the media and liberals claim.

And of course the debt
goes up. Congress keeps authorizing constituent-friendly programs, and
congresscritters keep hunting for ways to get reelected. Unemployment of
course keeps fluctuating. When all those troops go home, it'll go up
again, because a) Those troops will go after a decreasing number of jobs
they are qualified for and b) all those military support jobs will dry
up. Not that I find that in itself a bad thing, mind you, but what
constructive jobs will be there for those people?



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