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john thompson July 24th 11 10:16 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.



Andy Dingley July 24th 11 10:48 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Jul 24, 10:16*am, "john thompson" wrote:

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. *


Plywood or MDF sawn in two along this radius, then used as cauls to
press it back into shape with G clamp(s). Lining the inside with 3mm
polyethylene packing foam / laminate floor underlay avoids scratching,
but crushes well when clamped.

Dave Liquorice[_2_] July 24th 11 10:58 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, john thompson wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid
will not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.


Is it flat or is the pan now oval? Draw around the pan, rotate it
90deg about its centre and draw around again. If the two drawn lines
stay ontop of each other excpet where the "flat" is then the pan is
still circular.

If it's now oval the flat will be on the narrow oval dimension. Try
pushing(*) on the wider oval dimension ie across the side at 90 deg
to where the flat is.

(*) Pushing may mean *gently* standing on the edge of the pan. Use
bits of scrap wood to protect the pan and the floor.

--
Cheers
Dave.




Norminn July 24th 11 12:44 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On 7/24/2011 5:16 AM, john thompson wrote:
An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


Might work to just grind off some of the edge of the cover. Can't take
much.

Larry Jaques[_4_] July 24th 11 02:36 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


I've used a rubber mallet and/or a broomstick on dents like that.
Support the edges where the flat starts and push out on the center of
the flat area. The flat comes out pretty easily, so take care. Slow,
firm pressure works best for me. YMMV

--
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-- Elizabeth Cady Stanton

§nühw¤£f July 24th 11 03:41 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
Stuart wrote:
In article ,
john thompson wrote:
Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it,
without damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan.
Grateful for any suggestion. Thanks.


I find an adjustable spanner often makes a good lever in such cases. Make
sure the jaws are clean, smooth and parallel and adjust to give a firm
grip on the work. In your case, I would put a couple of layers of
newspaper between the jaws and the pan surface, to avoid scratching.

bits of leather would work as padding also. a rubber mallet might come
in handy...

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Zz Yzx July 24th 11 03:42 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


I saw a guy on TV once, on a deep cable science channell. He rolled
up an aluminum pan like a tortilla, with his hands. Then he bent a
12" Crescent wrench to a 90 deg angle.

Just do that.

-Zz

Mike Marlow[_2_] July 25th 11 02:09 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
harry wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:16 am, "john thompson" wrote:
An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the
lid will not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My
thumbs are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for
the lid to fit on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it,
without damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the
saucepan. Grateful for any suggestion. Thanks.


Put a piece of large diameter pipe in the vice. Rest the inside of
the pan on this and work the metal by hammering the outside of the
pan.
Straightforward job.


All of the suggestions which center around or include hammering are likely
to fail, since the OP state he has a non-stick surface he does not want to
damage. I would recommend a rolling action. Do a bit of research on
paintless dent removal and get an idea how to restore a surface. Do not
start from the deepest part of the dent - regardless of what's been said
here...

--

-Mike-




Rob[_28_] July 25th 11 02:23 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On 25/07/2011 11:09 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
harry wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:16 am, "john wrote:
An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the
lid will not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My
thumbs are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for
the lid to fit on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it,
without damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the
saucepan. Grateful for any suggestion. Thanks.


Put a piece of large diameter pipe in the vice. Rest the inside of
the pan on this and work the metal by hammering the outside of the
pan.
Straightforward job.


All of the suggestions which center around or include hammering are likely
to fail, since the OP state he has a non-stick surface he does not want to
damage. I would recommend a rolling action. Do a bit of research on
paintless dent removal and get an idea how to restore a surface. Do not
start from the deepest part of the dent - regardless of what's been said
here...


May just have to cut the lid to suit then the coating won't get damaged.

[email protected] July 25th 11 03:37 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


I've done this myself. :)

The dent sounds small enough to grab it with a large vice-grip or Channel-lock
and bend it back out till the lid fits.

Use some scrap wood ( I often use popsicle sticks) or something to protect the
surfaces.

You could also cut out a wood disc section of the same diameter with your jigsaw
and clamp that into your bench vice, and then gently hammer the edge against
this to restore it. You could put vinyl tape or leather over the wood and the
hammer head for protection. The harder you have to hit, the more protection you
need.


Frank Erskine July 25th 11 08:05 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:37:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


I've done this myself. :)

The dent sounds small enough to grab it with a large vice-grip or Channel-lock
and bend it back out till the lid fits.

Use some scrap wood ( I often use popsicle sticks) or something to protect the
surfaces.

You could also cut out a wood disc section of the same diameter with your jigsaw
and clamp that into your bench vice, and then gently hammer the edge against
this to restore it. You could put vinyl tape or leather over the wood and the
hammer head for protection. The harder you have to hit, the more protection you
need.


Is it _really_ worth all the bother for an aluminium pan?

--
Frank Erskine

Nobody > (Revisited) July 25th 11 08:59 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On 7/25/2011 12:05 AM, Frank Erskine wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:37:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


I've done this myself. :)

The dent sounds small enough to grab it with a large vice-grip or Channel-lock
and bend it back out till the lid fits.

Use some scrap wood ( I often use popsicle sticks) or something to protect the
surfaces.

You could also cut out a wood disc section of the same diameter with your jigsaw
and clamp that into your bench vice, and then gently hammer the edge against
this to restore it. You could put vinyl tape or leather over the wood and the
hammer head for protection. The harder you have to hit, the more protection you
need.


Is it _really_ worth all the bother for an aluminium pan?


Where's a tinker when you need one?

--
"**** this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me mother****er?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum

No Name July 25th 11 06:25 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
"john thompson" wrote something like this in message
...
An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid
will not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My
thumbs are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid
to fit on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful
for any suggestion. Thanks.

Saucepans are cheap....buy another.



The Revd July 25th 11 10:39 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


Does it really matter if you damage the non stick coating at the top
of the pan (other than for cosmetic reasons)? They're not made to be
used full.

The Natural Philosopher[_2_] July 26th 11 12:10 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
The Revd wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


Does it really matter if you damage the non stick coating at the top
of the pan (other than for cosmetic reasons)? They're not made to be
used full.


IME the non stick coating last about two cooks anyway.

Rob[_28_] July 26th 11 09:35 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On 26/07/2011 6:26 PM, wrote:
In uk.rec.cars.maintenance
wrote:

Saucepans are cheap....buy another.


The OP said the pan was 3mm thick. That's a pretty hefty pan, which
would imply a fairly hefty price and thus worth an attempt at repair.





You could always take it to the local panel shop and get them to give it
a nudge either hammer or porta power.

dennis@home July 26th 11 10:22 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 


wrote in message
...
In uk.rec.cars.maintenance wrote:

Saucepans are cheap....buy another.


The OP said the pan was 3mm thick. That's a pretty hefty pan, which
would imply a fairly hefty price and thus worth an attempt at repair.


I doubt if a quick belt with a mallet would damage a non-stick surface if it
hasn't been damaged when the accident happened.


The Revd July 26th 11 03:34 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:22:43 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
In uk.rec.cars.maintenance wrote:

Saucepans are cheap....buy another.


The OP said the pan was 3mm thick. That's a pretty hefty pan, which
would imply a fairly hefty price and thus worth an attempt at repair.


I doubt if a quick belt with a mallet would damage a non-stick surface if it
hasn't been damaged when the accident happened.


Good point.

[email protected] July 27th 11 12:37 AM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:05:41 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:37:30 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.


I've done this myself. :)

The dent sounds small enough to grab it with a large vice-grip or Channel-lock
and bend it back out till the lid fits.

Use some scrap wood ( I often use popsicle sticks) or something to protect the
surfaces.

You could also cut out a wood disc section of the same diameter with your jigsaw
and clamp that into your bench vice, and then gently hammer the edge against
this to restore it. You could put vinyl tape or leather over the wood and the
hammer head for protection. The harder you have to hit, the more protection you
need.


Is it _really_ worth all the bother for an aluminium pan?


Ask the OP... he seemed to think it important enough to post. Maybe it's a
family heirloom!


OG July 28th 11 07:27 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On 24/07/2011 10:16, john thompson wrote:
An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.



Can you make a jack that will allow you to push out the flat spot from
the inside?

Use wooden blocks with an approximately correct curve to protect the
inner non-stick surfaces.



Nick Odell July 28th 11 08:53 PM

Bending 3mm metal puzzle
 
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 10:16:21 +0100, "john thompson"
wrote:

An aluminium saucepan was dropped on the kitchen floor and now the lid will
not fit on, due to a fairly small flattening of one side.

The saucepan is 16cm in diameter and the aluminium is 3 mm thick. My thumbs
are just not strong enought to push the side out enough for the lid to fit
on.

Cannot think of a way to get a good leverage on it to re-shape it, without
damaging the non stick coating on the inside of the saucepan. Grateful for
any suggestion. Thanks.

Bearing in mind that the OP is heavily cross-posted and that "john
thompson" hasn't yet returned to this thread or the cross-posted
strimmer or baseball bat threads either and I could be talking to
myself here, my chosen method would be to drop the lid onto the
kitchen floor from the same height at the same angle as the saucepan
and try to knock a flattening into that too.

If it's good enough for teapot lids to have a flat on the
circumference then I reckon it's good enough for teflon-coated 3mm
thick ally pans too.

Nick


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