On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 03:32:22 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

$4.73 per US gallon in Central Ontario, Canada - about80 miles from
Buffalo.

It's your own fault -- I mean Canadians collectively, not you personally --
that gas is so much more expensive in Canada than in the U.S.

The difference is due *entirely* to taxes.
Which need to be paid to keep up the roads that connect 1/10 the
population of the USA over an area slightly larger than the size of
the USA.

On 07 Mar 2011 14:51:02 GMT, Han wrote:

Robatoy wrote in
:

On Mar 7, 9:22Â*am, "Mike Marlow" wrote:
Han wrote:

It's always been roughly twice in Europe than in the US. Â*Cheapest
around 07410 is US$3.27 (regular, cash only).

You still have pricing differences for cash vs credit card? Â*I
haven't
seen
that around here in a long time. Â*FWIW, I just paid $3.69 for the
cheap stuff in Central NY, yesterday.

--

-Mike-


That price difference should be available to whomever decided to pay
cash.
If the dealer (furniture, whatever) is willing to pay a credit card
company 3 1/2% then he should give that as a discount for cash.
Problem is... bankers don't like things to happen in cash..neither
does the IRS (Revenue Canada).

I asked some merchant about that. They said that the hassles of
handling cash (bank charges for depositing cash around here!) were
almost more than the cost of credit.
Up here it is pretty much a wash if you are going to bank the cash.

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 13:33:41 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article
,
Robatoy wrote:

That price difference should be available to whomever decided to pay
cash.
If the dealer (furniture, whatever) is willing to pay a credit card
company 3 1/2% then he should give that as a discount for cash.
Problem is... bankers don't like things to happen in cash..neither
does the IRS (Revenue Canada).

The credit card companies make that impossible for the merchant. Give a
cash discount, you can't accept our card.

Some, like Canadian Tire, get around it by using coupons, etc (ie:
CanTire Money) to non-credit card customers.
and giving 2 cents per liter discount when you DO use THEIR card.

"Dave Balderstone" wrote

The credit card companies make that impossible for the merchant. Give a
cash discount, you can't accept our card.

Some, like Canadian Tire, get around it by using coupons, etc (ie:
CanTire Money) to non-credit card customers.

Here (US) you cannot charge more for a CC but you can discount for cash.
There are a couple of businesses I patronize to get the discount.

"Han" wrote

I don't see many cash vs credit differences, but the cheaper ones still do
here (07410) and there (02143). NY is always more expensive than NJ.
Lets
not talk about CT ...

Today in my town, regular is 3.679, diesel is $4.199 New governor wants to
add 3¢ more too. I work is MA so it is not so much of a problem.

In article , wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 03:32:22 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

$4.73 per US gallon in Central Ontario, Canada - about80 miles from
Buffalo.

It's your own fault -- I mean Canadians collectively, not you personally --
that gas is so much more expensive in Canada than in the U.S.

The difference is due *entirely* to taxes.
Which need to be paid to keep up the roads that connect 1/10 the
population of the USA over an area slightly larger than the size of
the USA.

1/9 the population, actually (34M vs. 313M), but who's counting? And although
you have a larger land area, we have a *lot* more road than you do (6.5M km vs
1M km).

Source:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ca.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html

Anyway, how come you're not using high speed rail? I thought that was supposed
to be the salvation of the universe.

wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 20:28:16 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

wrote:


Typical Yank stupidity - you don't give a crap about the rest of the
world and you wonder why they hate your guts enough to send suicide
bombers after you.

$4.73 per US gallon in Central Ontario, Canada - about80 miles from
Buffalo.

Come on Clare - "the rest of the world" pays more for gas because of
all of the taxes they load on a gallon of gas, to fund their social
programs. Why should folks in the US care what people in Great
Brittain or anywhere else pay - we don't benefit from those
programs. The US is not responsible for the price of gas in other
parts of the world.
It's not all texes, buster.
In 1973 I was paying $1.65 a liter for gas that was, at best, 85
octane. Shipping cost was about half the cost - and then tax on top of
that. (landlocked central african country with no refineries)
ANd no social programs paid for by the taxes either.
Just one lane of blacktop most of the way across a country just a
touch larger than texas (290585 sq miles)

Ok - you got me. Gee - it's not *all* taxes. Still not any example of the
US causing those prices.
\
--

-Mike-

wrote:
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 03:32:22 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

$4.73 per US gallon in Central Ontario, Canada - about80 miles from
Buffalo.

It's your own fault -- I mean Canadians collectively, not you
personally --
that gas is so much more expensive in Canada than in the U.S.

The difference is due *entirely* to taxes.
Which need to be paid to keep up the roads that connect 1/10 the
population of the USA over an area slightly larger than the size of
the USA.

So what does that have to do with the original blame placed on the US for
having low gas prices, with respect to gas prices other places in the world?

--

-Mike-

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 03:32:22 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

$4.73 per US gallon in Central Ontario, Canada - about80 miles from
Buffalo.

It's your own fault -- I mean Canadians collectively, not you personally --
that gas is so much more expensive in Canada than in the U.S.

The difference is due *entirely* to taxes.
Which need to be paid to keep up the roads that connect 1/10 the
population of the USA over an area slightly larger than the size of
the USA.

But you only have 1/10 the roads as well.

J. Clarke wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 03:32:22 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

$4.73 per US gallon in Central Ontario, Canada - about80 miles from
Buffalo.

It's your own fault -- I mean Canadians collectively, not you
personally --
that gas is so much more expensive in Canada than in the U.S.

The difference is due *entirely* to taxes.
Which need to be paid to keep up the roads that connect 1/10 the
population of the USA over an area slightly larger than the size of
the USA.

But you only have 1/10 the roads as well.

And 40% of those are ice roads - only exist in the winter time...

--

-Mike-

"Josepi" wrote in
:

If any of you had ever worked in retail sales took credit card
accounts you would know it is in the credit card agreements.

If you offer price differences and get caught they close your account
and you can't take VISA, Mastercard or a few others. Not sure about
AmEx or other small credit companies.


If that is still the rule, it should be overturned by the new regulations
coming, I sure hope.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Feb 25, 12:48*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Cleared $4/gal in SoCal today.

Look out $5/gal, headed your way.

Lew

SE Kansas is around $3.65 for regular / $3.85 for diesel. SW Missouri
is .10 - .15 cheaper.

RonB

I propose rec.woodworking.california-gas-prices





--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

Larry W wrote:

I propose rec.woodworking.california-gas-prices

What you complaining about in the UK its would work out over 10
dollars a gallon

On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 05:02:41 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

I propose rec.woodworking.california-gas-prices

And you'll see it populated by one poster, Lew Hodgett. sigh

--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sat, 2 Apr 2011 05:02:41 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

I propose rec.woodworking.california-gas-prices

And you'll see it populated by one poster, Lew Hodgett.sigh

What's a matter, you don't like Johnny Cash? Were the posts intended to
be a pun on "cash"? if so I just noticed it. I'd bet out of every 10
readers only one intended!

Bill



--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard

Easy. That could cause too many heart attacks in fellow Americans.

----------------

wrote in message ...

$4.88 Canadian per US gallon in southern Ontario.

That's pretty darn close to US $5.00 a US Gallon at the current
exchange rate.

"Doug Winterburn" wrote:

"The car from Atlas Shrugged motors

March 17, 2011

Patrick Michaels is a senior fellow in environmental studies at the
Cato Institute.............
snip

Unuf said.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...

"Doug Winterburn" wrote:

"The car from Atlas Shrugged motors

March 17, 2011

Patrick Michaels is a senior fellow in environmental studies at the
Cato Institute.............
snip

Unuf said.

Lew




And the Facts reported by Consumer Reports and quoted in the same post? You
just brush them off also?

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:35:02 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
eb.com...

"Doug Winterburn" wrote:

"The car from Atlas Shrugged motors

March 17, 2011

Patrick Michaels is a senior fellow in environmental studies at the
Cato Institute.............
snip

Unuf said.

And the Facts reported by Consumer Reports and quoted in the same post? You
just brush them off also?

Just because a GENUINE CLIMATE SCIENTIST disbelieves AGWK, the ever
brainy Algorian Chanters want him hung to shut him up. Ignore them.

--
From the Book of Aussie Bush Etiquette:

Never tow another car using pantyhose and duct tape.

Just Wondering wrote:

Do you always try to compare turnips with potatoes?


Boiled turnips can be an acceptable substitute for boiled potatoes.
How's that?

Very many state and local governments think they can get blood from a
turnip. So far, no one has suggested potatoes.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:42:07 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:

Just Wondering wrote:

Do you always try to compare turnips with potatoes?


Boiled turnips can be an acceptable substitute for boiled potatoes.
How's that?

Very many state and local governments think they can get blood from a
turnip. So far, no one has suggested potatoes.

You'd think they'd try beets.

In article om,
Lew Hodgett wrote:
...snipped...
Here in California, we are moving ahead.
...snipped...

California: Reducing energy consumption by discouraging electrical
companies from building new plants...

--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
Later today (04/29/11), gas is now ONLY $4.13/gal at the local
cash & carry Arco this Friday afternoon.(04/29/11).

I've got no sympathy for you guys. Canadian gas right now is selling at
$1.38 a litre, in Ontario. There's 3.785 litres per one US Gallon. That
means we are paying $5.22 a gallon and it's Canadian based crude that this
gas comes from. Yet, we ship a hrll of a lot of it down to the US so you can
pay considerably less for it. How is that for a crock? Our government is
gouging its citizens like there's no tomorrow.

Like I said. No sympathy whatsoever.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
I've got no problem with $10.00/gallon gasoline.
Just one more reason to develop alternate energy sources.

I wonder when the bio fuel energy gets to be more mainstream if we'll find
ourselves paying several dollars for a single cob of corn.

A lot of the increase is also the devaluation of the dollar. Europe may be
doing worse than the US economically, but the € is now valued at US$1.49.

If you were "them" would you take less real money for your real gallon of
oil?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Han wrote:
A lot of the increase is also the devaluation of the dollar. Europe may be
doing worse than the US economically, but the ‚¬ is now valued at US$1.49.


I can tell you why ... It happens every time I buy a plane ticket to the
UK. Never fails.
--
www.ewoodshop.com

Swingman wrote in
:

Han wrote:
A lot of the increase is also the devaluation of the dollar. Europe
may be doing worse than the US economically, but the ‚¬ is now
valued at US$1.49.


I can tell you why ... It happens every time I buy a plane ticket to
the UK. Never fails.

Glad we went to Urpe last summer ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

I have to get my wind turbine up again but it won't go under the bridges on
top of the car in some places.

-------------

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
eb.com...
Looks like the crick has crested, for the moment.

Alternate energy anybody?

Lew

Gasoline price has dropped about 15 cents a gallon over the last 2 weeks
or so im my area.

But really, who cares?


--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and* work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere, but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy life
to some degree.

On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01:29 -0400, "Upscale" wrote:


wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and* work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere, but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy life
to some degree.

There are large hospitals in small cities, too. Rochester MN has a few with
well known names. Not all large cities are as bad to live/work in as CA,
either. Outside of the NE and CA, there are some wonderful places to live and
work.

Upscale wrote:
wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and*
work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental
costs and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain
within quick travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital
for health reasons. I'd love to move to some smaller town with its
small town atmosphere, but for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to
stay healthy enough to enjoy life to some degree.

Know what you mean. I live seven, count 'em, seven blocks from a hospital.
This hospital has a Class I Emergency Room and Trauma Center. On the campus
are two eleven-story professional buildings full of thoracic surgeons,
Oncologists, and just about every medical specialty known to man, with the
possible exception of tropical diseases and eleemosynary specialists.

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01:29 -0400, "Upscale"
wrote:


wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and* work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within
quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health
reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere, but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy
life
to some degree.

There are large hospitals in small cities, too. Rochester MN has a few
with
well known names. Not all large cities are as bad to live/work in as CA,
either. Outside of the NE and CA, there are some wonderful places to live
and
work.


And they do not necessarily have jobs for which people are qualified.

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:24:00 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01:29 -0400, "Upscale"
wrote:


wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and* work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within
quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health
reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere, but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy
life
to some degree.

There are large hospitals in small cities, too. Rochester MN has a few
with
well known names. Not all large cities are as bad to live/work in as CA,
either. Outside of the NE and CA, there are some wonderful places to live
and
work.


And they do not necessarily have jobs for which people are qualified.

Are you saying that the only jobs in the US are in CA? I don't think so!

zzzzzzzzzz wrote the following:
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:24:00 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:


wrote in message
...

On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01:29 -0400, "Upscale"
wrote:


wrote in message

$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and* work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within
quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health
reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere, but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy
life
to some degree.

There are large hospitals in small cities, too. Rochester MN has a few
with
well known names. Not all large cities are as bad to live/work in as CA,
either. Outside of the NE and CA, there are some wonderful places to live
and
work.

And they do not necessarily have jobs for which people are qualified.


Are you saying that the only jobs in the US are in CA? I don't think so!

The most jobs in CA are in the entertainment industry, like the
construction of surfboards, skateboards, movies, TV shows, etc.
The day starts in the Eastern US while CA is still sleeping. three hours
later, they wake up, and since most of the problems have been solved,
they can go out and play.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...


Are they jerking our chains or what?

Alternate energy anybody?

Well, yes. It's about their $21 billion annual tax-payer-paid-for
subsidies which they dearly want to keep and for which the industry is under
fire (we get to pay twice!). It's a publicity stunt to distract highly
deserved public outrage for yet more record profits. Doesn't anyone ever
wonder why, if the average cost of a domestically produced barrel of oil is
~$30, the oil companies are allowed to sell it to domestic refiners (usually
their own?) for $100+/bbl? I thought that was price gouging.
And domestic production is on the rise. You can't swing a dead cat in
South Texas w/o hitting a drilling rig. Some people will have you believe
that the Eagle Ford Shale play down there is as big or bigger than the north
slope of Alaska. South Dakota (Bakken Shale play) has upped that state's
total contribution to domestic production from 3% to 6% in a year. Other
shale plays are ramping up in western Colorado.

Dave in Houston

In article m,
Lew Hodgett wrote:
...snipped...
After all, California is the 8th largest economy in the world, and
that's in a
bad year.


You'd think an economy that large wouldn't need the rest of the country
to subsidize their water supply systems...


--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:24:00 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01:29 -0400, "Upscale"
wrote:


wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and*
work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental
costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within
quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health
reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere,
but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy
life
to some degree.

There are large hospitals in small cities, too. Rochester MN has a few
with
well known names. Not all large cities are as bad to live/work in as
CA,
either. Outside of the NE and CA, there are some wonderful places to
live
and
work.


And they do not necessarily have jobs for which people are qualified.

Are you saying that the only jobs in the US are in CA? I don't think so!


No, that's not what I was saying.

--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."

On Wed, 25 May 2011 16:58:55 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 May 2011 01:24:00 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 May 2011 18:01:29 -0400, "Upscale"
wrote:


wrote in message
$4/gal gasoline and overcrowded highways, it becomes a BIG problem.

Half-smart people will move to where they can afford to live *and*
work.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Family, housing prices or rental
costs
and even health issues can come into play. I'm forced to remain within
quick
travelling distance of some large metropolitan hospital for health
reasons.
I'd love to move to some smaller town with its small town atmosphere,
but
for me, it's not to be. ~ Not if I want to stay healthy enough to enjoy
life
to some degree.

There are large hospitals in small cities, too. Rochester MN has a few
with
well known names. Not all large cities are as bad to live/work in as
CA,
either. Outside of the NE and CA, there are some wonderful places to
live
and
work.


And they do not necessarily have jobs for which people are qualified.

Are you saying that the only jobs in the US are in CA? I don't think so!


No, that's not what I was saying.

Oh, the only jobs that people are "qualified for" are in CA. shakes head