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Kevin December 4th 10 04:16 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.

After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. Oh well, flip it over, right? Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.

However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. But what is the harm in trying, right?

They fit almost perfectly.

All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.

If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. And I
didn't have to wait long.

The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. That's a pretty simple task, eh? One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? Yeah. On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.

So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. And all is right with the universe
again.

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


-Kevin

PS that mini shoulder plane has caused me more pain, it's so darn
small I keep smacking my hand into stuff, so it's about time its size
came in handy. Still I wish they made one just like it the same width
but double the rest. I have the bigger rabbet plane but this one is
much easier to adjust.

Lee Michaels[_3_] December 4th 10 10:25 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 


"Kevin" wrote

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


Beautiful work there Kevin.

I don't wish to alarm you but somebody sold you some wood that still had
bark on it. And there appears to be some kind of rot or insect infestation
in the middle of two of the boxes. Just though you should know.

grin, duck and run




Dick Snyder[_5_] December 4th 10 11:42 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 

"Kevin" wrote in message
...
Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.

After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. Oh well, flip it over, right? Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.

However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. But what is the harm in trying, right?

They fit almost perfectly.

All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.

If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. And I
didn't have to wait long.

The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. That's a pretty simple task, eh? One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? Yeah. On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.

So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. And all is right with the universe
again.

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


-Kevin

PS that mini shoulder plane has caused me more pain, it's so darn
small I keep smacking my hand into stuff, so it's about time its size
came in handy. Still I wish they made one just like it the same width
but double the rest. I have the bigger rabbet plane but this one is
much easier to adjust.


Beautiful!



Nova December 4th 10 08:55 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
Kevin wrote:


So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. And all is right with the universe
again.

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


Beautifully done Kevin!


--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA


Kevin December 4th 10 08:56 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 05:25:14 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

I don't wish to alarm you but somebody sold you some wood that still had
bark on it. And there appears to be some kind of rot or insect infestation
in the middle of two of the boxes. Just though you should know.

grin, duck and run


I was hoping no one would catch on to that. I ran out of good wood
and had to raid the burn pile ;)

But seriously, I think the walnut on the front of one of them was from
a section most people would have cut out and tossed in the burn pile,
perhaps with a bit of regret. Big ol' knot and a punky spot
surrounded by nice figure. On a different day I might not stop to
save it myself.

-Kevin

Larry Jaques[_3_] December 4th 10 09:36 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 15:56:59 -0500, Kevin
wrote:

On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 05:25:14 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

I don't wish to alarm you but somebody sold you some wood that still had
bark on it. And there appears to be some kind of rot or insect infestation
in the middle of two of the boxes. Just though you should know.

grin, duck and run


I was hoping no one would catch on to that. I ran out of good wood
and had to raid the burn pile ;)

But seriously, I think the walnut on the front of one of them was from
a section most people would have cut out and tossed in the burn pile,
perhaps with a bit of regret. Big ol' knot and a punky spot
surrounded by nice figure. On a different day I might not stop to
save it myself.


Congrats on the restraint and end product, Kevin. Well done.

--
"Human nature itself is evermore an advocate for liberty.
There is also in human nature a resentment of injury, and
indignation against wrong. A love of truth and a veneration
of virtue. These amiable passions, are the latent spark. If
the people are capable of understanding, seeing and feeling
the differences between true and false, right and wrong,
virtue and vice, to what better principle can the friends of
mankind apply than to the sense of this difference?"
--John Adams

Robatoy[_2_] December 4th 10 09:59 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Dec 3, 11:16*pm, Kevin wrote:
Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. *It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. *Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. *The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. *The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.

After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. *Oh well, flip it over, right? *Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.

However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. *So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. *But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. *But what is the harm in trying, right?

They fit almost perfectly.

All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. *And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. *So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.

If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. *And I
didn't have to wait long.

The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. *Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. *That's a pretty simple task, eh? *One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? *Yeah. *On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.

So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. *And all is right with the universe
again.

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...iv-jewelry-box

-Kevin

PS that mini shoulder plane has caused me more pain, it's so darn
small I keep smacking my hand into stuff, so it's about time its size
came in handy. *Still I wish they made one just like it the same width
but double the rest. *I have the bigger rabbet plane but this one is
much easier to adjust.


It has always been exciting for me to see 'rough-and-tumble' elegance.
Very hard to categorize (probably impossible anyway) it is an form of
art that I have seen and heard in many disciplines. Stevie Ray Vaughn
is, in terms of technical ability, as rough and crude as it gets. But
he creates warmth with spikes and barbs. A true artist. Early
Picasso... same deal. In a documentary I saw once, he took a simple
brush with black ink and slobbered some shapes and before my very
eyes, they became alive.

Your stuff talks to me that way. Beautiful, just absolutely
gorgeous..... This stuff should be in a gallery somewhere.. like 5th
Ave NYC

Refined like a Keith Moon drum solo.

FrozenNorth[_4_] December 4th 10 10:14 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On 12/03/10 11:16 PM, Kevin wrote:
Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.

After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. Oh well, flip it over, right? Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.

However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. But what is the harm in trying, right?

They fit almost perfectly.

All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.

If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. And I
didn't have to wait long.

The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. That's a pretty simple task, eh? One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? Yeah. On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.

So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. And all is right with the universe
again.

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


I have one word for you, ****ing WOW, that is gorgeous.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Robatoy[_2_] December 4th 10 10:22 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Dec 4, 5:14*pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
On 12/03/10 11:16 PM, Kevin wrote:



Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. *It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. *Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. *The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. *The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.


After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. *Oh well, flip it over, right? *Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.


However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. *So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. *But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. *But what is the harm in trying, right?


They fit almost perfectly.


All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. *And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. *So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.


If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. *And I
didn't have to wait long.


The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. *Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. *That's a pretty simple task, eh? *One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? *Yeah. *On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.


So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. *And all is right with the universe
again.


Anyway, here are the three of them:


http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


I have one word for you, ****ing WOW, that is gorgeous.

--
Froz...

The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.


"****ing WOW" works for me too...G

Kevin December 5th 10 04:11 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 13:59:50 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
wrote:


It has always been exciting for me to see 'rough-and-tumble' elegance.
Very hard to categorize (probably impossible anyway) it is an form of
art that I have seen and heard in many disciplines. Stevie Ray Vaughn
is, in terms of technical ability, as rough and crude as it gets. But
he creates warmth with spikes and barbs. A true artist. Early
Picasso... same deal. In a documentary I saw once, he took a simple
brush with black ink and slobbered some shapes and before my very
eyes, they became alive.

Your stuff talks to me that way. Beautiful, just absolutely
gorgeous..... This stuff should be in a gallery somewhere.. like 5th
Ave NYC


Aww shucks... I was just going for fairly simple to make but with
enough wow factor to get a decent margin, but I will settle for art.

Hey can I quote you on that for the website? :)

Refined like a Keith Moon drum solo.


Now you have me wondering what would have happened if Keith Moon had
gotten into shop class instead of music. Blow up tree with dynamite,
start putting it back together until it looks like a table?

-Kevin

tiredofspam December 6th 10 04:04 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
Nice work, nice design.

On 12/3/2010 11:16 PM, Kevin wrote:
Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.

After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. Oh well, flip it over, right? Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.

However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. But what is the harm in trying, right?

They fit almost perfectly.

All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.

If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. And I
didn't have to wait long.

The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. That's a pretty simple task, eh? One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? Yeah. On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.

So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. And all is right with the universe
again.

Anyway, here are the three of them:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


-Kevin

PS that mini shoulder plane has caused me more pain, it's so darn
small I keep smacking my hand into stuff, so it's about time its size
came in handy. Still I wish they made one just like it the same width
but double the rest. I have the bigger rabbet plane but this one is
much easier to adjust.


tiredofspam December 6th 10 04:07 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
I'm actually doing a night table for my wife and it has similar grain
and pith.. My problem has been planing by hand. It's been tough the
grain has not been very friendly to work on. I want the chatoyance, so I
don't want to sand it. Did you sand or plane?

On 12/4/2010 3:56 PM, Kevin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Dec 2010 05:25:14 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:

I don't wish to alarm you but somebody sold you some wood that still had
bark on it. And there appears to be some kind of rot or insect infestation
in the middle of two of the boxes. Just though you should know.

grin, duck and run


I was hoping no one would catch on to that. I ran out of good wood
and had to raid the burn pile ;)

But seriously, I think the walnut on the front of one of them was from
a section most people would have cut out and tossed in the burn pile,
perhaps with a bit of regret. Big ol' knot and a punky spot
surrounded by nice figure. On a different day I might not stop to
save it myself.

-Kevin


Scott[_12_] December 6th 10 05:48 AM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
As a struggling beginner I love the creative work you have done on
these boxes, but you need some scale in the pictures like a Dvd or
ruler, or something. Very clean pictures too. I struggle just to
make a set of bookcases.

Ecnerwal[_3_] December 6th 10 01:16 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
In article ,
tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:

I'm actually doing a night table for my wife and it has similar grain
and pith.. My problem has been planing by hand. It's been tough the
grain has not been very friendly to work on. I want the chatoyance, so I
don't want to sand it.


Scraping is the way to take on grain that does not want to plane.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

tiredofspam December 6th 10 05:28 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
Scraping lowers the chatoyance a bit. I am looking for this to really
pop, I want the best use of this wood. It looks so amazing even with the
scar of the pith.

BTW did you ever notice the most beatiful pieces of wood are all
technically or near defects.

Burls,
Birds Eye Maple
Quilted stock...

etc...

On 12/6/2010 8:16 AM, Ecnerwal wrote:
In ,
tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com wrote:

I'm actually doing a night table for my wife and it has similar grain
and pith.. My problem has been planing by hand. It's been tough the
grain has not been very friendly to work on. I want the chatoyance, so I
don't want to sand it.


Scraping is the way to take on grain that does not want to plane.


Kevin December 6th 10 08:04 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 23:07:14 -0500, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:

I'm actually doing a night table for my wife and it has similar grain
and pith.. My problem has been planing by hand. It's been tough the
grain has not been very friendly to work on. I want the chatoyance, so I
don't want to sand it. Did you sand or plane?


Drum sander, then random orbit sander. Never went near the planer
with that stuff.

-Kevin

Luigi Zanasi[_2_] December 6th 10 10:31 PM

A tale of two screw-ups
 
On Dec 4, 2:22*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Dec 4, 5:14*pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:





On 12/03/10 11:16 PM, Kevin wrote:


Recently I finished working on 3 similar jewelry boxes. *It's a design
I have done before with a dovetailed box in the middle suspended
between two vertical natural edge slabs. *Rails across the top and
bottom of the box are pocket-screwed into the slabs, and the pocket
holes covered with some decorative pieces. *The box houses a number of
drawers, which may also have some natural edged drawer fronts, so the
drawers are odd heights. *The drawer slides are dadoed into the sides
of the box, only glued at the front to allow for expansion /
contraction.


After completing all of them, with the caps glued over the pocket
holes and finishing complete it was with much chagrin that I noticed
that the orientation arrow inside the box which ought to be pointing
up was in fact pointing down. *Oh well, flip it over, right? *Except
the slabs on this one were quite nice at the 'top' ends and not very
nice at all at the 'bottom', with one of them tapering significantly
so that the back rail was only partially flush to it.


However, on only this one out of the three the drawers were
symmetrical. *So theoretically I could put the drawers in with it
upside-down. *But there was no way that the slides were going to line
up like that. *But what is the harm in trying, right?


They fit almost perfectly.


All I had to do was lower two of them on one side by 1/32" or so. *And
I was able to just barely fit my LV miniature shoulder plane in
between the slides. *So it took all of 2 minutes to fix what would
have been the biggest mistake I've made all year.


If you are anything like me, at this point you would now be wondering
when the other shoe was going to drop, because that just doesn't
happen without something else happening to make up for it. *And I
didn't have to wait long.


The next thing to do was to drill the holes in one of the other ones
for the knobs. *Take a drawer out, mark the center, drill the hole,
put it back. *That's a pretty simple task, eh? *One that would really
cause a problem if you screwed it up, eh? *Yeah. *On the 4th one I
went from marking at whatever dimension minus an 1/8th to plus an
1/8th.


So I got to sand all those drawer fronts down, make wooden pulls and
glue them on, and refinish them. *And all is right with the universe
again.


Anyway, here are the three of them:


http://www.etsy.com/listing/62798076...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/62941009...ii-jewelry-box
http://www.etsy.com/listing/63544321...iv-jewelry-box


I have one word for you, ****ing WOW, that is gorgeous.


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Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.


"****ing WOW" works for me too...G


Me three

Luigi



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