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Easy HVLP water-based spraying of lacquer or poly
I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie
finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up & apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) I am applying to a raw birch plywood shelving system. I been told that it is best for beginners to start with water-based since solvent-based lacquer & poly are more complicated in terms of cleanup and proper ventillation. However, I have no idea what brands and specific finishes best fit my "wish list". Perhaps I am asking for the impossible. But it would be nice to build my confidence in spraying by having some good first results. I really want something that will not give me to too much trouble as a beginner whether it is worrying about getting viscosity right, worrying too much about sags or drips, fume issues, and cleanup. Thanks! |
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On 10/28/2010 12:43 PM, blueman wrote: I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up& apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) I am applying to a raw birch plywood shelving system. I been told that it is best for beginners to start with water-based since solvent-based lacquer& poly are more complicated in terms of cleanup and proper ventillation. However, I have no idea what brands and specific finishes best fit my "wish list". Perhaps I am asking for the impossible. But it would be nice to build my confidence in spraying by having some good first results. I really want something that will not give me to too much trouble as a beginner whether it is worrying about getting viscosity right, worrying too much about sags or drips, fume issues, and cleanup. Thanks! Check out General Finishes waterbase stuff. www.generalfinishes.com/ |
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On Oct 28, 12:43*pm, blueman wrote:
I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up & apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) I am applying to a raw birch plywood shelving system. I been told that it is best for beginners to start with water-based since solvent-based lacquer & poly are more complicated in terms of cleanup and proper ventillation. However, I have no idea what brands and specific finishes best fit my "wish list". Perhaps I am asking for the impossible. But it would be nice to build my confidence in spraying by having some good first results. I really want something that will not give me to too much trouble as a beginner whether it is worrying about getting viscosity right, worrying too much about sags or drips, fume issues, and cleanup. Thanks! Spraying water borne stuff (lacquer or paint) is not as easy to spray as the solvent based finishes. It takes better equipment to do the job. It has been said that a 3 stage Fuji gun will work. However, you still need to thin the products to make it work. Too much water can affect the quality of the finish. For example, enamels don't always have that low lustre sheen when thinned too much. I bought a Fuji 4 stage gun (expensive) and can spray heavy paints with a #4 cap and minor thinning. For products, I find that Hydrocote resistane plus (pre cat lacquer) sprays well and does not need too much thinning. For paint, I am currently spraying Benjamin Moore Impervo. BJ says it can be sprayed without thinning - if you use an airless sprayer. They give a crappy finish! The Fuji 4 stage seems to work well with the #4 cap. You do need some thinning and need to put it on lightly. Make multiple passes. Good luck Len |
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On 10/28/2010 12:43 PM, blueman wrote:
I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up& apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) 3.5 out of 4: Shellac ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Oct 28, 4:42*pm, Swingman wrote:
On 10/28/2010 12:43 PM, blueman wrote: I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up& *apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) 3.5 out of 4: Shellac ... Yup.... Sounds like it is Deft time to me. Or Bullseye. What could be more forgiving than shellac? You can use it as a sanding sealer, primer, then change to the waxy stuff and put it on as a 100% compatible top coat. And the Bullseye stuff actually does last for a couple of years in the can (as advertised) if you don't use it all. Excellent choice. Robert |
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Swingman writes:
On 10/28/2010 12:43 PM, blueman wrote: I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up& apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) 3.5 out of 4: Shellac ... And is the 0.5 deduction for strength/durable? I didn't realize though that Shellac was sprayable. If it is, does it matter what type (waxed or not)? Premixed in the MinWax type or cut to a custom proportion from Shellac flakes? Thanks... |
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On 10/29/2010 11:59 AM, blueman wrote:
writes: On 10/28/2010 12:43 PM, blueman wrote: I am a newbie to HVLP and am looking for advice for an "easy" newbie finish that meets as many of the following criteria as possible: 1. Strong/durable clear coat 2. Easy to set up& apply 3. Forgiving to newbies with low-end equipment 4. Easy to clean-up (of course fast drying would also be nice) 3.5 out of 4: Shellac ... And is the 0.5 deduction for strength/durable? I didn't realize though that Shellac was sprayable. If it is, does it matter what type (waxed or not)? Premixed in the MinWax type or cut to a custom proportion from Shellac flakes? Here's the content of an old post of mine on spraying shellac ... don't have time to find the responses, but you can DAGS if you need mo start Shellac is about the only finish I use, and I always spray it. With an HVLP system overspray is not a problem, IME. If you are not planning on using anything but shellac, buy the three pound cut and thin it down to 1 1/2 with alcohol (I prefer to use this cut when spraying, but YMMV) ... experiment. 3 pound cut is what you get out of the can for the standard, althouugh I've seen 4 and 5 pound cut at paint stores, and the "sanding sealer", out of the can should be a 2 pound cut. You really don't need the dewaxed if shellac is all you're using ... the dewaxed being essential for compatibility with lacquer, poly and other top coat finishes added post shellac application. The Zinnser sealer is dewaxed and works well when sprayed and can indeed be used as the finish coat. I just generally use the regular BullsEye amber 3 pound cut, thinned to a 1 1/2 pound cut with isopropyl alcohol (depending upon the temp/humidity) sprayed on for the final coat. I find I have better application on extremely high humidity days with isopropyl alcohol, but the Borg denatured works fine 99% of the time. IME, with humidity, what you're worrying about is blush. With isopropyl alcohol so cutting you need to pay particular attention to the shellac drying before it hits the surface. If that is a problem, simply cut your material flow down a bit and spray closer to the work (with HVLP). Spraying shellac is not that difficult, as a matter of fact, it is easy and forgiving with an off the shelf, $100 HVLP unit. A couple of minutes with a scrap piece to make sure material flow and distance is right, and spray on. end quote -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Awesome post! Thanks! (please see my follow-up inserted below)
Swingman writes: Here's the content of an old post of mine on spraying shellac ... don't have time to find the responses, but you can DAGS if you need mo I find I have better application on extremely high humidity days with isopropyl alcohol, but the Borg denatured works fine 99% of the time. By denatured, I assume you mean the methanol sold in cans at the borg. And by isopropyl, do you need to find 100% pure stuff or can one use the drug store diluted stuff. |
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On 10/29/2010 1:36 PM, blueman wrote:
Awesome post! Thanks! (please see my follow-up inserted below) writes: Here's the content of an old post of mine on spraying shellac ... don't have time to find the responses, but you can DAGS if you need mo I find I have better application on extremely high humidity days with isopropyl alcohol, but the Borg denatured works fine 99% of the time. By denatured, I assume you mean the methanol sold in cans at the borg. It's been 40 plus years, but ... Don't know about "sold as" labeling, but I am a chem major and IIRC they are similar but different alochols. "Denatured alcohol", as I recollect, is "ethanol" (C2H5OH), with "methanol" (CH3OH) added to make it poisonous. Any paint section should have cans clearly labeled "Denatured Alcohol". That is what I use to cut shellac with for most spraying purposes. And by isopropyl, do you need to find 100% pure stuff or can one use the drug store diluted stuff. I buy 99% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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: On 10/29/2010 1:36 PM, blueman wrote: *snip* And by isopropyl, do you need to find 100% pure stuff or can one use the drug store diluted stuff. I buy 99% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store. I tried using 90% (not 99%) isopropyl to thin shellac, and did not get good results. It just did not seem to "take." Denatured alcohol worked excellently, so I haven't tried anything else. Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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On 10/29/2010 11:09 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
wrote in : On 10/29/2010 1:36 PM, blueman wrote: *snip* And by isopropyl, do you need to find 100% pure stuff or can one use the drug store diluted stuff. I buy 99% isopropyl alcohol from the drug store. I tried using 90% (not 99%) isopropyl to thin shellac, and did not get good results. It just did not seem to "take." Too much water. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Swingman writes:
On 10/29/2010 1:36 PM, blueman wrote: Awesome post! Thanks! (please see my follow-up inserted below) writes: Here's the content of an old post of mine on spraying shellac ... don't have time to find the responses, but you can DAGS if you need mo I find I have better application on extremely high humidity days with isopropyl alcohol, but the Borg denatured works fine 99% of the time. By denatured, I assume you mean the methanol sold in cans at the borg. It's been 40 plus years, but ... Don't know about "sold as" labeling, but I am a chem major and IIRC they are similar but different alochols. "Denatured alcohol", as I recollect, is "ethanol" (C2H5OH), with "methanol" (CH3OH) added to make it poisonous. Ahhhh I vaguely remember that too from chemistry class. According to Wikipedia it is also called "methylated spirits" which is probably why I got confused with Methanol. Thanks! |
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