Drawer issue
 

Hi,

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution for this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Faram

Drawer issue
 

"Faram" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When
I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not
have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is
there
any solution for this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Faram

You could try a bottom mounted slide but perhaps if you described the
drawer and drawer cavity, we could offer better advice.

For instance, is the bottom of the drawer recessed ? How much?

Is this a chest of drawers, under bed drawer box, how is it built ?

Bob S.

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On Oct 26, 11:32*pm, Faram wrote:
Hi,

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution *for this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Faram

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Drawer issue
 

On Oct 27, 9:04*am, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 26, 11:32*pm, Faram wrote:

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution *for this problem?

Post some pictures on a free hosting site, and then post the links
here so we can see exactly what's going on.

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Gables? This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

R

Drawer issue
 

wrote:
I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution for this problem?

Bottom mount drawer slides?

Drawer issue
 

On Oct 26, 11:32*pm, Faram wrote:
Hi,

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution *for this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Faram

Your problem is not stated clearly enough.

If when opening the doors they do not provide sufficient clearence for
the glides to pass by you should look for a hinge which allows for a
full 180 degree opening. This will provide only a small amount of
extra clearence at best.

If you have made face frames cabinets, you can install spacers
between the drawer glides and the side panels of the case work, if
your drawers are not to wide, in which case, unfortunately you will
need to rebuild the drawer boxes.

JoeG

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On Oct 27, 9:39*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:04*am, Robatoy wrote:

On Oct 26, 11:32*pm, Faram wrote:

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution *for this problem?

Post some pictures on a free hosting site, and then post the links
here so we can see exactly what's going on.

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Gables? *This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

R

The 'side panels' of a cabinet are referred to as 'gables' around
these parts.... by the pros...G

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:30:13 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Oct 27, 9:39*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:04*am, Robatoy wrote:

On Oct 26, 11:32*pm, Faram wrote:

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution *for this problem?

Post some pictures on a free hosting site, and then post the links
here so we can see exactly what's going on.

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Gables? *This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

R

The 'side panels' of a cabinet are referred to as 'gables' around
these parts.... by the pros...G

I didn't know that hookers critiqued cabinetry. Wow, ya learn
something new every day.

--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the left versus the right,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales

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On Oct 28, 1:30*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:39*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:04*am, Robatoy wrote:

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Gables? *This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.


The 'side panels' of a cabinet are referred to as 'gables' around
these parts.... by the pros...G

The pros in this part, of which I am one, don't. Using gables to
refer to a cabinet side obviously came from a noob who thought that a
gable wall just referred to a side wall, which is where gables are
typically located on a house. Look up the word - you'll see what I
mean. It has to do with the triangular shape. So, unless your
cabinet sides are peaked, you are using an incorrect term - be ye pro
or not.

R
Wreck Chief Semantics Officer

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Many of the soft-close slides are bottom mounted and for wider drawer boxes.


"Upscale" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Bottom mount drawer slides?


I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution for this problem?

Drawer issue
 

Clarke said "Frankly, my dear! I don't give a damn!"

Gable usage in house design ***usually** means a triangular piece at the
ends of a sloped roof.

Many refer to the "gable" in cabinets, also. Only incorrect until the
masses use it in that context. Then it become correct, unfortunately.



"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
The pros in this part, of which I am one, don't. Using gables to
refer to a cabinet side obviously came from a noob who thought that a
gable wall just referred to a side wall, which is where gables are
typically located on a house. Look up the word - you'll see what I
mean. It has to do with the triangular shape. So, unless your
cabinet sides are peaked, you are using an incorrect term - be ye pro
or not.

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On 10/28/2010 2:38 PM, RicodJour wrote:


Wreck Chief Semantics Officer

Got my vote ...


--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

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On Oct 28, 5:46*pm, Swingman wrote:
On 10/28/2010 2:38 PM, RicodJour wrote:

Wreck Chief Semantics Officer

Got my vote ...

I stopped running for office in the 9th grade. I got 50% of the vote,
and the other two guys split the other 50%. They said I needed a
majority. So they ran the election again, and I got 50% again. The
third time there were more votes than students. The fourth time they
ran the election I was ****ed and basically told everyone to FOAD.
I'm not much of a politician.

R

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On Oct 28, 5:45*pm, "Josepi" wrote:
Clarke said "Frankly, my dear! I don't give a damn!"

Gable usage in house design ***usually** means a triangular piece at the
ends of a sloped roof.

Show me one instance where gable refers to anything else on a house,
Sparky.

Many refer to the "gable" in cabinets, also. *Only incorrect until the
masses use it in that context. Then it become correct, unfortunately.

It is not now, nor will it ever be correct. Side is the only word
that is necessary for the _side_ of a cabinet. The word gable
provides additional information that the word side does not, and that
information is not applicable, nor correct, for a cabinet side.

IFF the cabinet has a gable side, then, by all means, call it a gable.

R

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On Oct 28, 7:18*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:45*pm, "Josepi" wrote:

Clarke said "Frankly, my dear! I don't give a damn!"

Gable usage in house design ***usually** means a triangular piece at the
ends of a sloped roof.

Show me one instance where gable refers to anything else on a house,
Sparky.

Many refer to the "gable" in cabinets, also. *Only incorrect until the
masses use it in that context. Then it become correct, unfortunately.

It is not now, nor will it ever be correct. * Side is the only word
that is necessary for the _side_ of a cabinet. *The word gable
provides additional information that the word side does not, and that
information is not applicable, nor correct, for a cabinet side.

IFF the cabinet has a gable side, then, by all means, call it a gable.

R

Plug the following into Google, Sir.....

what is a cabinet gable

and see what pops up.....

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On Oct 28, 3:38*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 28, 1:30*pm, Robatoy wrote:

On Oct 27, 9:39*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:04*am, Robatoy wrote:

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Gables? *This word, I do not think it means what you think it means..

The 'side panels' of a cabinet are referred to as 'gables' around
these parts.... by the pros...G

The pros in this part, of which I am one, don't. *Using gables to
refer to a cabinet side obviously came from a noob who thought that a
gable wall just referred to a side wall, which is where gables are
typically located on a house. *Look up the word - you'll see what I
mean. *It has to do with the triangular shape. *So, unless your
cabinet sides are peaked, you are using an incorrect term - be ye pro
or not.

R
Wreck Chief Semantics Officer

Is it fair to assume that Danny Proulx knows a thing or two about
cabinets?

and I quote:


CABINET BOX CONSTRUCTION
by Danny Proulx

What's the best way to build the carcass (cabinet box) for kitchen
cabinets?
And, which material is ideally suited for kitchen cabinet
construction?
Those are two questions that make-up a good portion of my email each
month. Do I have the definitive answer? Unfortunately, there isn't one
product that's flawless. Many cabinetmakers, including myself, have
opted for 5/8" melamine coated particle board (MPCB) as the material
of choice. That's not to say there aren't a few drawbacks with this
material, however, in almost all situations MPCB is very acceptable.

Base cabinet boxes are built with two sides (gable ends), a bottom,
and a back. The upper cabinets have two gable ends, a bottom, top, and
back board. Base cabinets don't need the top board as the countertop
covers that opening. Normally, with carcass construction using the
Euro cabinet leg, bottom and top boards are attached to the gable
ends. In effect, the width of the bottom and top boards determine the
carcass interior width because the gable ends are attached to these
boards using simple butt joints. The back board then covers all the
edges of the bottom, top, and gable end components.

Drawer issue
 

On Oct 28, 7:34*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 28, 7:18*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:45*pm, "Josepi" wrote:

Clarke said "Frankly, my dear! I don't give a damn!"

Gable usage in house design ***usually** means a triangular piece at the
ends of a sloped roof.

Show me one instance where gable refers to anything else on a house,
Sparky.

Many refer to the "gable" in cabinets, also. *Only incorrect until the
masses use it in that context. Then it become correct, unfortunately.

It is not now, nor will it ever be correct. * Side is the only word
that is necessary for the _side_ of a cabinet. *The word gable
provides additional information that the word side does not, and that
information is not applicable, nor correct, for a cabinet side.

IFF the cabinet has a gable side, then, by all means, call it a gable.


Plug the following into Google, Sir.....

what is a cabinet gable

and see what pops up.....

Exactly what I expected. A bunch of Canuckistanians that are
*******izing the Queen's English, no doubt to get back at the old
filly. While we're proffering Google searches, DAGS 'gable cabinet
england' and explain the lack of cabinetry. You're outgunned, two
fading empires to one.

I know you're not a noob, and you choose your words carefully - except
when you disagree with me and then you're just simply full of poop -
but using gable to denote a _side_ is wrong. Why have another word?
Why have the wrong word? Does it change the meaning in any way, shape
or form to say gable instead of side? Does side leave out something
that gable includes for a cabinet? Nope. Some hoser, back in the
deep dark past of Canada, jacked some terminology, and you guys being
such pacifists, never called him on it.

Let's flip this around. You tell me - what exactly would you lose if
you called the side of a cabinet a side? Do the BC dinner jacket
wearing job site jockeys call a gable wall a side? Is there some
simmering feud between carpenters and joiners that has you guys
fighting over the same words? Not enough to go around?

People have enough difficulty communicating clearly when they use all
the same words to refer to all the same things. Obfuscating words do
not help.

R
Wreck Rant Enforcement Officer

Drawer issue
 

On Oct 28, 7:39*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 28, 3:38*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 28, 1:30*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:39*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Oct 27, 9:04*am, Robatoy wrote:

If the drawer slides are to be side-mounted onto the gables, you can
buy stand-offs to do that job, creating enough offset to clear most
doors. A cleat/block of wood will also work.

Gables? *This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

The 'side panels' of a cabinet are referred to as 'gables' around
these parts.... by the pros...G

The pros in this part, of which I am one, don't. *Using gables to
refer to a cabinet side obviously came from a noob who thought that a
gable wall just referred to a side wall, which is where gables are
typically located on a house. *Look up the word - you'll see what I
mean. *It has to do with the triangular shape. *So, unless your
cabinet sides are peaked, you are using an incorrect term - be ye pro
or not.

R
Wreck Chief Semantics Officer

Is it fair to assume that Danny Proulx knows a thing or two about
cabinets?

and I quote:

CABINET BOX CONSTRUCTION
by Danny Proulx

What's the best way to build the carcass (cabinet box) for kitchen
cabinets?
And, which material is ideally suited for kitchen cabinet
construction?
Those are two questions that make-up a good portion of my email each
month. Do I have the definitive answer? Unfortunately, there isn't one
product that's flawless. Many cabinetmakers, including myself, have
opted for 5/8" melamine coated particle board (MPCB) as the material
of choice. That's not to say there aren't a few drawbacks with this
material, however, in almost all situations MPCB is very acceptable.

Base cabinet boxes are built with two sides (gable ends), a bottom,
and a back. The upper cabinets have two gable ends, a bottom, top, and
back board. Base cabinets don't need the top board as the countertop
covers that opening. Normally, with carcass construction using the
Euro cabinet leg, bottom and top boards are attached to the gable
ends. In effect, the width of the bottom and top boards determine the
carcass interior width because the gable ends are attached to these
boards using simple butt joints. The back board then covers all the
edges of the bottom, top, and gable end components.

Bzzzt! and Bzzzt! and Bzzzt! 0 for 3

1) Never trust a person whose name ends in an X.
2) I've already explained where the confusion came in on gable and why
Canada should just roll over on this one and take it like a man.
3) It's not carcass, it's carcase - as in casegoods, casework. A
carcass is a dead body. The original word for cabinet work was
carcase, but it was misunderstood by some quasi-literate in the past,
who simply misunderstood the word and wrote down the phonetic spelling
of what he thought he heard. On his behalf, I can only assume he
never saw the word in writing and the person speaking was drunk or had
a cleft palate. Maybe he was a bit light in the loafers and had a
lisp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casework
http://www.wicnet.org/publications/casework.asp

I'm willing to slide on the last one, as the US and Brits have split
on carcass/carcase, but the first two - no way. Especially the first
- no final Xs unless it's a royalty lineage designation.

R the X
10th Earl of Mumbleland

PS There's one more Bzzzt! for old Danny Proulx - tell him to
proofread his articles. Acronyms are much easier to understand if you
don't switch the letters around: "melamine coated particle board
(MPCB)"

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On Oct 28, 8:20*pm, RicodJour wrote:
.

Exactly what I expected. *A bunch of Canuckistanians that are
*******izing the Queen's English,

R
Wreck Rant Enforcement Officer

You, an American, daring to comment on what Canadians do the
language...nity-nite, bro'

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In article , RicodJour wrote:
[...]
PS There's one more Bzzzt! for old Danny Proulx - tell him to
proofread his articles. Acronyms are much easier to understand if you
don't switch the letters around: "melamine coated particle board
(MPCB)"

The initials are in the correct order. They stand for "melamine particle core
board".

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On Oct 28, 9:44*pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:
RicodJour wrote:

PS *There's one more Bzzzt! for old Danny Proulx - tell him to
proofread his articles. *Acronyms are much easier to understand if you
don't switch the letters around: "melamine coated particle board
(MPCB)"

The initials are in the correct order. They stand for "melamine particle core
board".

Agreed. So Danny Proul(x) should have written "melamine particle core
board (MPCB)", the 'coated' being implied/inferred.

R(x)
Wreck Minority Whip - Acronym Standards Committee (WMW-ASC)

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hahahaha. Very rich coming from y'all USAnians cuoming from such an
illiterate history.

Besides the "side" of a cabinet is called

"the end"

ROFLMFAO



"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
You, an American, daring to comment on what Canadians do the
language...nity-nite, bro'


On Oct 28, 8:20 pm, RicodJour wrote:
.

Exactly what I expected. A bunch of Canuckistanians that are
*******izing the Queen's English,

R
Wreck Rant Enforcement Officer

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I hear the Japenese have some Viagra to send for those that can't "get an
erection"



"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
I stopped running for office in the 9th grade. I got 50% of the vote,
and the other two guys split the other 50%. They said I needed a
majority. So they ran the election again, and I got 50% again. The
third time there were more votes than students. The fourth time they
ran the election I was ****ed and basically told everyone to FOAD.
I'm not much of a politician.

R



On Oct 28, 5:46 pm, Swingman wrote:
On 10/28/2010 2:38 PM, RicodJour wrote:

Wreck Chief Semantics Officer

Got my vote ...

Drawer issue
 

On Oct 26, 11:32*pm, Faram wrote:
Hi,

I made 2 pine drawer for my kids bedroom, each one has 3 doors. When I
tried to install the slide for the doors, I realize that I do not have
space between doors and side of drawer to install the slides. Is there
any solution *for this problem?

Thanks in advance,
Faram

If the drawers only hold light loads, such as clothing,
they don't need slides.

Drawer issue
 

On Oct 28, 8:20*pm, RicodJour wrote:


Let's flip this around. *You tell me - what exactly would you lose if
you called the side of a cabinet a side?

It's a gable. Now the jury is back in and it has been determined that
those who call those panels 'sides', or 'bulkheads' are not 'really'
professional cabinet makers.

to wit:

http://32mm.dalrun.com/System/157.html

http://www.cabinetmaking.com/pages/Excerpts_BFKC.htm

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On Oct 29, 7:47*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:20*pm, RicodJour wrote:

Let's flip this around. *You tell me - what exactly would you lose if
you called the side of a cabinet a side?

It's a gable. Now the jury is back in and it has been determined that
those who call those panels 'sides', or 'bulkheads' are not 'really'
professional cabinet makers.

Okay...so you can't tell me what improvement there is in using a
different word for the same thing. Okay, I'm going to start calling
cars, grables. That should simplify my conversations.

to wit:

http://32mm.dalrun.com/System/157.html

That guy's address:
Dave Lers
2720 Ontario St.
Bellingham, WA 98226

WA is barely in the US, and it's way too close to Canada. There's
even _Ontario_ in his address. He's a hoser, for sure.

http://www.cabinetmaking.com/pages/Excerpts_BFKC.htm

From that site: "In the last few years I've taught part of the
Furniture Technician course at Algonquin College in Ottawa, Ontario"

I'm not arguing that you may have a _colloquialism_ on your side of
the border. It's clear you do. I'm just saying that it doesn't make
sense. Not from the original (and still champion) meaning of the word
gable, and not by any measure of improving language clarity. In fact,
from that same second link, I found this: "The construction system is
based on columns of 5mm diameter holes drilled 32mm apart in the
cabinet sides (gables)" Even he of the terminal X Proul, has to
translate and he gives sides first billing!

You're making my case for me. As far as bulkheads, let's ask Lew what
a bulkhead is - deal? ;)

R

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 16:47:22 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
wrote:

On Oct 28, 8:20*pm, RicodJour wrote:


Let's flip this around. *You tell me - what exactly would you lose if
you called the side of a cabinet a side?

It's a gable. Now the jury is back in and it has been determined that
those who call those panels 'sides', or 'bulkheads' are not 'really'
professional cabinet makers.

to wit:

http://32mm.dalrun.com/System/157.html

Durned newfangled Eurotrash cabinetry.


http://www.cabinetmaking.com/pages/Excerpts_BFKC.htm

There ya go, bringing in some durned Quebecois hoser, too, eh?

No real proof!

(Hey, if it's not in Joyce's _Cabinetmaking and Millwork_, it's not a
real word.)

--
Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come
alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs
is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman

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In article e13fc8b3-c956-4c09-b7c3-
,
says...

I'm willing to slide on the last one, as the US and Brits have split
on carcass/carcase, but the first two - no way. Especially the first
- no final Xs unless it's a royalty lineage designation.

Just variant spellings of the same word. Carcass equals carcase (OED).
There are no further distictions to be made.

It derives from the word charcois.

....and it all adds up to a frame of bones or wood on which something is
hung or was hung.

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On Nov 4, 9:55*am, phorbin wrote:
says...

I'm willing to slide on the last one, as the US and Brits have split
on carcass/carcase, but the first two - no way. *Especially the first
- no final Xs unless it's a royalty lineage designation.

Just variant spellings of the same word. Carcass equals carcase (OED).
There are no further distictions to be made.

Agreed, that's why I said I'm willing to slide - but where's the fun
in that? ;)

It derives from the word charcois.

Perhaps. Or Italian/Latin - you can never tell with those romantic
languages.

...and it all adds up to a frame of bones or wood on which something is
hung or was hung.

A frame is different than a carcase/carcass.
Frame
2. a rigid structure formed of relatively slender pieces, joined so
as to surround sizable empty spaces or nonstructural panels, and
generally used as a major support in building or engineering works,
machinery, furniture, etc.

Carcass/carcase refers to the body of the cabinet, as separate from
the doors and drawers. In days gone by it may have been a frame and
panel box, or a box from solid sawn boards. A frame is a skeleton.

R

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On Nov 4, 10:33*am, RicodJour wrote:

*A frame is a skeleton.

I hang most of my pictures in skeletons?....depending what skeleton of
mind I'm in?

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On Nov 4, 4:20*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:33*am, RicodJour wrote:

*A frame is a skeleton.

I hang most of my pictures in skeletons?....depending what skeleton of
mind I'm in?

Exactly. South of _our_ border (that's North of their border to you)
we hang skeletons in closets - until TMZ gets a hold of 'em. Then we
sell the video and make a ton of money.

R