Tool question
 

I need a band saw type of machine. I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

Is there a standard in the industry for a decent one of these that doesn't
cost an arm and a leg, or will any old one do? I need one that has the
blade at least one foot from the back. I guess that would be called the
throat? I will do small pieces, but if I ever want to do something a little
bigger, it would do it.

Steve

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:58:12 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

I need a band saw type of machine. I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

It sounds like you want a scroll saw.

Is there a standard in the industry for a decent one of these that doesn't
cost an arm and a leg, or will any old one do? I need one that has the
blade at least one foot from the back. I guess that would be called the
throat? I will do small pieces, but if I ever want to do something a little
bigger, it would do it.

If you really want a band saw, here's a small one for $200:


http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/208...del-10305.aspx


It's only a 10" saw, though.

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On Aug 31, 8:58*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I need a band saw type of machine. *I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

Yep scroll saw. They used to be more popular than they are now. Big
among older hobbiests doing cute patterns. Check craigs list under
tools for scroll saw. You can find them for $50 and less. Like this
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/1926435091.html

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On Sep 1, 12:08*am, "
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:58:12 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

I need a band saw type of machine. *I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

It sounds like you want a scroll saw.

Has the advantage over a bandsaw that it can do blind holes.

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"Lobby Dosser" wrote


Or just pay $60 - $100 more and get a new one:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...e=G1& prdNo=1

with the warranty.

I'm cheap. I needed a motor for my mixer. I put an ad on freecycle.org,
and a lady e mailed me within an hour. She had one kicking around her
garage her husband had left when he left. A NEW 1.5 hp 110/220 Dayton. She
just wanted it gone. I gave her some free Slurpee coupons for her kids.
Haven't checked it yet, but it has to be worth a hundred and fifty.

I'm a scrounger and cheapster. Most of the time it works out, and if it
dies, I don't have a lot in it. I do not have a problem parting with money
for quality goods, though, if I use them to create income, or depend on
their reliability.

In today's market, it's a buyer's market. Got a 6 hp. Karcher power washer
the other day for $30. The POS Husky is $100 at HD.

Steve

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On Aug 31, 8:58*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I need a band saw type of machine. *I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

The handtool for this is a coping saw, with a jig called a bird's-
mouth
(really just a notched board to support the work). Fine blades for
a jewelry saw can be employed to make narrow cuts.

A rod saw or wiresaw blade can make cuts in any direction.
Conductive materials can be cut by electrical discharge (but
this is a woodworking group, so that's probably not relevant).

If you get tired of doing it by hand, scroll saw or jigsaw or bandsaw
motorized tools do about the same thing. If you want a REAL power
tool, laser numerically controlled gizmos are the next big step up.
Somewhere in the same vicinity are fluid-jet cutters (water and
abrasive
will go through hard materials well, but I'm not sure how well
they'd work on wood).

Beware, though, using a fine blade means you aren't getting carbide-
tool
blade life. It's gonna take a fifty-pack of blades to grow proficient
with
a scrollsaw. A fine tooth bandsaw blade has thousands of teeth
in contact with the cut, a jigsaw will use the same dozen teeth
over and over until they get dull...

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"whit3rd" wrote in message
...
On Aug 31, 8:58 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
I need a band saw type of machine. I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with
up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

The handtool for this is a coping saw, with a jig called a bird's-
mouth
(really just a notched board to support the work). Fine blades for
a jewelry saw can be employed to make narrow cuts.

Change the word coping to fret.

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Coping saws cost a buck at flea markets. I used to buy hack saw blades
10for $1.00,untill my SIL got me two from sears for x-mis ten years ago.
I can saw all day and they don't pop on the second stroke. Buy one good
one and don't waste your money on China CRAP!!!!
Jr.


http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage

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If you intend to do fine quality inlay or nice cuts you want to get
a good saw that the blade moves up and down. The typical low cost machine
moves in an arc and a lot of chatter and movement will occur.

I forget the brand name but it is RED IIRC - a friend had one.

Had a unique name. Not a common name of other hand tools.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 9/1/2010 12:52 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Aug 31, 8:58 pm, "Steve wrote:
I need a band saw type of machine. I say type, because I do not need a
large band saw to make big cuts, but rather a small one with a blade with up
and down motion to cut small designs and pieces.

Yep scroll saw. They used to be more popular than they are now. Big
among older hobbiests doing cute patterns. Check craigs list under
tools for scroll saw. You can find them for $50 and less. Like this
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/1926435091.html

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"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
If you intend to do fine quality inlay or nice cuts you want to get
a good saw that the blade moves up and down. The typical low cost machine
moves in an arc and a lot of chatter and movement will occur.

I forget the brand name but it is RED IIRC - a friend had one.

Had a unique name. Not a common name of other hand tools.

Martin

Hegner.

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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...

If you intend to do fine quality inlay or nice cuts you want to get
a good saw that the blade moves up and down. The typical low cost
machine
moves in an arc and a lot of chatter and movement will occur.

I forget the brand name but it is RED IIRC - a friend had one.

Had a unique name. Not a common name of other hand tools.

Martin


Hegner.


Yep, although at the Hegner price at about $1400 I'd opt for the DeWalt
788 at around $500

http://www.amazon.com/HEGNER-Variabl.../dp/B000RK1S0E

http://toolsandmore.us/dewalt-dw788-scroll-saw.aspx

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

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On Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:44:16 -0500, Martin H. Eastburn wrote:

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot
net "Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph
Pulitzer TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's
Medal. NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

Nothing like a brief signature :-).

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

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On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:18:08 -0400, Nova wrote:

Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...

If you intend to do fine quality inlay or nice cuts you want to get
a good saw that the blade moves up and down. The typical low cost
machine
moves in an arc and a lot of chatter and movement will occur.

I forget the brand name but it is RED IIRC - a friend had one.

Had a unique name. Not a common name of other hand tools.

Martin


Hegner.


Yep, although at the Hegner price at about $1400 I'd opt for the DeWalt
788 at around $500

http://www.amazon.com/HEGNER-Variabl.../dp/B000RK1S0E

http://toolsandmore.us/dewalt-dw788-scroll-saw.aspx

If you spend 10 hrs/day scrolling and/or you sell your work, Hegner's
fine. I use my $35 Delta 13" occasionally and it suffices.

I found an old Workmate at a garage sale this morning for ten bucks.
It appears to be about 6x more functional and sturdy than my $18 HF
workmutt clones. /gloat

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

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That sounds like it it - Hegner.

Thanks
Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 9/1/2010 8:49 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote in message
...
If you intend to do fine quality inlay or nice cuts you want to get
a good saw that the blade moves up and down. The typical low cost machine
moves in an arc and a lot of chatter and movement will occur.

I forget the brand name but it is RED IIRC - a friend had one.

Had a unique name. Not a common name of other hand tools.

Martin

Hegner.