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In article et, Mark
wrote: The first was earning $16/hour Even *if* he were getting 40 hours a week, that's only about $32K a year. Even at that, the suits wouldn't get out of bed. the second $13 Same as above, about $25K. You called these "former tradesmen who are reasonably compensated for their knowledge of the trades"? We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. People need to start referring to earnings in amount/year to really get a better basis for comparisons. Gerry |
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John wrote:
Licensed practical nurse. Two year course. Registered nurse: I think currently a 4 year course, used to be 3 Not necessarily. SWMBO is a surgical nurse, and got her RN with two years in college. The frightening thing she told me is that to get one's nursing license, one only has to score 50 % on the licensing exam. LPNs and community colleges have 2 year degrees, hospitals (if you can find one still doing it) give 3 year degrees, colleges give 4 year degrees unless you already have a degree, in which case the extra is 17 months to 2 years. The 4 years gets you a Bachelors of Science in Nursing (BSN). Dave in Fairfax (RN, BSN) -- reply-to-is-disabled-due-to-spam use: daveldr at att dot net Member: America Associaton of Woodturners www.woodturner.org http://www.woodturner.org/community/...s/aawlocal.cfm Capital Area Woodturners http://capwoodturners.org Potomac Antiqe Tools and INdustries Association www.patinatools.org |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Ouch. Watched 60 Minutes last night and that was scary enough. OK. My mother was an RN, but she started in, IIRC, 1931, maybe 1930, with 3 years at Yonkers General Hospital as a training field. Got a granddaughter who is an LPN, 2 year course. My mother was in NY, Kathy in VA, but both seem to have fairly stringent licensing standards. Mom retired, many years ago now, as acting adminstrator (would not title her "administrator" because she lacked a BS). She was also nursing services director and a major motivator of the campaign to build a new hospital, helping collect an awful lot of money in a few years. The hospital board's gratitude extended so far that they didn't cancel her health coverage over and above Medicare for the first year she was retired. RNs take a national registry board test. It's the same everwhere with the possible exception of California, but they have reciprocity with the rest of the country. Dentists and PAs have to recredential when they cross state lines. RNs just fill out a paper and pay the charge to get state credentials. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to-is-disabled-due-to-spam use: daveldr at att dot net Member: America Associaton of Woodturners www.woodturner.org http://www.woodturner.org/community/...s/aawlocal.cfm Capital Area Woodturners http://capwoodturners.org Potomac Antiqe Tools and INdustries Association www.patinatools.org |
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:
Phisherman wrote: My college sweetheart graduated the same time I did. I started out making more money as a computer programmer than she did as a registered nurse. But in the end, she wins, and I'm out of a job for months and months. Yep. when one of us loses our job, we're out of work for hours and hours. It's really annoying to have my mailbox filled by places that want to pay me to come work for them. %-) And the sign on bonuses are insulting, $3-5K. Really am sorry about your being out of work Phisherman. I was talking to Silvan about a career change to PT or Radiology, they take 2 years and pay OK to start. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to-is-disabled-due-to-spam use: daveldr at att dot net Member: America Associaton of Woodturners www.woodturner.org http://www.woodturner.org/community/...s/aawlocal.cfm Capital Area Woodturners http://capwoodturners.org Potomac Antiqe Tools and INdustries Association www.patinatools.org |
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JPLipe wrote:
Not necessarily. SWMBO is a surgical nurse, and got her RN with two years in college. The frightening thing she told me is that to get one's nursing license, one only has to score 50 % on the licensing exam. John It depends on which state is issuing the license. In New York State the minimum score is 80%, which is one reason the NYS license is recognized throughout the country. According to my daughter, who has taken the test twice, the NCLEX test is computerized, zeros in on you weakest area and hammers you. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply) |
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mp wrote:
$13? $16? What is your location? Here in Alabama I know nurses making less than that! What kind of nurses? RNs and LPNs are on widely varying pay scales, and my recent experience tells me most nurses are LPNs, not RNs. LPN? Licensed Pratical Nurse. They have about 2 years of formal training compared to 4 years for an RN. RNs are in pretty high demand. Bill Ranck Blacksburg, Va. |
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Dave in Fairfax writes:
It's really annoying to have my mailbox filled by places that want to pay me to come work for them. %-) And the sign on bonuses are insulting, $3-5K. Really am sorry about your being out of work Phisherman. I was talking to Silvan about a career change to PT or Radiology, they take 2 years and pay OK to start. Heh. When we had our fire last year and lived in temp housing a few months, the place next to ours had a young husband and wife, with the wife a radiology tech, IIRC. She was high enough up the training scale to be doing contract work through an agency. They moved every year or two according to job availability. The guy worked at relatively low pay construction and rode off-road motorcycles, which is what he enjoys, while the wife worked at a local hospital at a rate that probably pushed 100K a year, but that also included that temp housing (2 bedroom full furnished and equipped apartment, with maid service) and some other bennies. I know for a fact that the housing goes for at least $1400 a month (but that includes local telephone bill, utilities, heat, even the detergent for the dishwasher and the washing machine. It's rough, though: you have to share the washing machine and dryer with the apartment next door). It pays OK. To start. Charlie Self "It is not strange... to mistake change for progress." Millard Fillmore |
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wrote in message ... What I'd really like (I think) is the kind of job where you go *live* it for periods of time like a couple weeks or a month, and then you're off for a week or so at a time. I try an oil rig, or the alaska pipeline. that's how they work. |
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In article , Charlie Self
wrote: 18 bucks an hour That hourly rate, even *IF* it is fulltime, sounds so much more impressive than $35K a year. As I said in another post, if everyone discussed *dollars* *per* *year*, we could compare salaries/wages a lot more simply especially since a lot of jobs deliberately keep workers well under the forty limit to avoid having to provide benefits. Gerry |
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My 2 cents...
They seem to be all English speaking so the pay cannot be that bad. :) Compare that with the Sears that is next door to our local BORG that I visited last night and spoke to an individual in the tool department. Me : "Could you tell me the ACTUAL HP on this drill-press" Tool Manager: "Yes, it saiz richt there 2HP", as he points to sign reading '2HP maximum developed" Me: "No, not the maximum HP, but the true HP of the drill press" Tool Manager : "ajh jyes, 10 inches" Me: "Thanks" I do not know why I keep going to Sears....... I am sure the pay scale corresponds between the two as well. Roger. wrote in message ... Hi, I am considering trying to get on a night stocking crew with Lowe's or Home Depot. I like working at night and being off during the day, and at the moment Lowe's seems best for me if the hours really are from 4:00AM-1:00PM. Can anyone tell me about what it pays, how they compare with Home Depot, or anything else you think should be taken into consideration? Maybe there are places that would be better to try to work? Can anyone suggest a better place to inquire about such things? I know about their websites, but want to learn about the things they don't tell you there as well as the things they do. Thanks for any info or suggestions! David |
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GERRY responds:
In article , Charlie Self wrote: 18 bucks an hour That hourly rate, even *IF* it is fulltime, sounds so much more impressive than $35K a year. As I said in another post, if everyone discussed *dollars* *per* *year*, we could compare salaries/wages a lot more simply especially since a lot of jobs deliberately keep workers well under the forty limit to avoid having to provide benefits. I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference. There's not a lot of effort involved in converting hourly wages to annual (multiply by 2080 for a full week every week), but, as you note, there may not be much point. I don't know how many hours Marvin worked or works, but it wasn't full time, nor did he wish to work full time. Setting him up as earning 35K per year would have been a lie. It is far easier for most hourly wage jobs to provide the hourly rate than it is to extrapolate because of the variable hours. I've got another friend who makes about $16 an hour, but almost never drags down less than 50K a year. He puts the time in, does the work, and makes pretty decent money. How do I specifiy his salary? Well, I say he makes 16 bucks an hour, except when he's making 24. At the start of the year, neither he nor his boss has any idea of how many time and a half hours he'll get, so specifying his earnings at 55K is not correct. He may only make 45, but is more likely to tap 60, sometimes a touch more. The only time a company has to keep workers under xx hours to avoid providing benefits is when they provide benefits for those working a full week (which the company may designate as 35, 37-1/2 or 40 hours a week). If no one is paid benefits, there is no need to worry about hours. Admittedly, this tends to be the case in small companies. I've seen a lot of it with small contractors and builders. An extra buck or two an hour is supposed to make up for the lack of benefits. It doesn't work if you check out health care costs today, which have reached thelevel of criminal (and not all of it is the fault of the insurance companies by any stretch). Charlie Self "It is not strange... to mistake change for progress." Millard Fillmore |
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Charles Spitzer wrote:
wrote in message ... What I'd really like (I think) is the kind of job where you go *live* it for periods of time like a couple weeks or a month, and then you're off for a week or so at a time. I try an oil rig, or the alaska pipeline. that's how they work. My son, a petroleum engineer, worked 12 hours a day for 29 straight days while on an oil rig in the gulf. At the end, I think he would have been happy to work for Lowe's g |
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In article , Robert Boucher
wrote: Charles Spitzer wrote: wrote in message ... What I'd really like (I think) is the kind of job where you go *live* it for periods of time like a couple weeks or a month, and then you're off for a week or so at a time. I try an oil rig, or the alaska pipeline. that's how they work. My son, a petroleum engineer, worked 12 hours a day for 29 straight days while on an oil rig in the gulf. At the end, I think he would have been happy to work for Lowe's g I spent 117 days straight in the Indian Ocean aboard an aircraft carrier but STILL don't want to work for Lowes! :) Allen |
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Brian Henderson writes:
Now, Walmart does pay that kind of low end bucks. Do we complain about the help there? I always thought it was funny that for all the people who complain about how little Walmart pays, Walmart always has a long line of people who are dying to work there. Walmart doesn't pretend to pay big bucks. Why pretend that they do? Huh? I see no pretense anywhere about Walmart paying big bucks. Unless things have changed, the Bedford, VA store, where some people I know work, start everyone at $5.30 an hour. I think that's just to be able to say they're paying above minimum wage. I don't know if that's chain policy, but it seems likely. That long line of people is essential, as the turnover is enormous. But I've heard it's a pretty good place for retirees who need a few extra bucks to work. It gets them out and involved and brings in some money to supplement SS. Charlie Self "It is not strange... to mistake change for progress." Millard Fillmore |
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In article , Charlie Self
wrote: not all of it is the fault of the insurance companies by any stretch Up here, the auto insurers continue to cry the blues and raise rates by leaps and bounds. A few weeks ago however, the newspapers announced that the insurance companies' profits were up over *800%* /in/ /one/ /year/. They are among the biggest, most obscene bandits in our economy. Gerry |
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In article et, Mark
wrote: Bull****. Now that you've been shown to have your head up your ass and generally have no idea what you're talking about Be a nice Liberal and crawl back into your hole. In place of a reasoned, thought-out response, you spew out NOTHING but insults and you say that I have no idea. You obviously have *no* *ideas* at all to share. I guess this NG had to have a ****ant like you who basks in the anonymity and invulnerability that USENET provides for mental midgets. BTW, I think there's a village looking for you. Gerry |
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"JPLipe" wrote in message ... Not necessarily. SWMBO is a surgical nurse, and got her RN with two years in college. The frightening thing she told me is that to get one's nursing license, one only has to score 50 % on the licensing exam. What's that old Joke? What do you call the guy who graduated *last* in his medical school class? Doctor... |
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mttt wrote:
What's that old Joke? What do you call the guy who graduated *last* in his medical school class? Doctor... Or last in his class at Annapolis? "Sir". -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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In article , "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:
mttt wrote: What's that old Joke? What do you call the guy who graduated *last* in his medical school class? Doctor... Or last in his class at Annapolis? "Sir". Or last in his class at West Point? "General Custer". And that's a fact. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter, send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com |
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So? All that means is that 50% of the test is made up of questions that they
don't expect you to be able to answer. What's 50% of a bunch? "JPLipe" wrote in message ... Not necessarily. SWMBO is a surgical nurse, and got her RN with two years in college. The frightening thing she told me is that to get one's nursing license, one only has to score 50 % on the licensing exam. John |
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"CW" wrote in
: So? All that means is that 50% of the test is made up of questions that they don't expect you to be able to answer. What's 50% of a bunch? "JPLipe" wrote in message ... Not necessarily. SWMBO is a surgical nurse, and got her RN with two years in college. The frightening thing she told me is that to get one's nursing license, one only has to score 50 % on the licensing exam. John It's also not accurate. The nursing board exam is and has been for the last several years adaptive. The exact number of questions asked and the number required as well as their relative difficulty varies for each test taker. The test "adapts to your individual responses in an effort to judge competancy. The actual minimum scores are not published. |
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Gerry writes:
Up here, the auto insurers continue to cry the blues and raise rates by leaps and bounds. A few weeks ago however, the newspapers announced that the insurance companies' profits were up over *800%* /in/ /one/ /year/. They are among the biggest, most obscene bandits in our economy. Not just there. 60 Minutes, I think, looked over some malpractice insurance costs. Seems the companies are making plenty of money, not losing as they say, but are raising rates at a tremendous pace...reason: they screwed up with their investments, which lost as massive percentage in the past few years, so now they're gobbling it all back at once. You can bet your ever-lovin' that they won't lower rates at the end. But it still isn't all the insurance companies fault. First, government lets them get away with thieving, and so do we when we don't storm our legislators' offices and demand reform. Next up, tort lawyers go for the wallet every time, even in cases where a deep into the change purse is more sensible. Juries too often go along. Systemic, instead of being the fault of one type of company or person. Charlie Self "It is not strange... to mistake change for progress." Millard Fillmore |
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It's also not accurate. The nursing board exam is and has been for the
last several years adaptive. Well, it was accurate when SWMBO was licensed. Granted, that's been a while, and I'm not surprised that things have changed in the meantime. John |
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Mark responds:
In article et, Mark wrote: Bull****. Now that you've been shown to have your head up your ass and generally have no idea what you're talking about Be a nice Liberal and crawl back into your hole. In place of a reasoned, thought-out response, Your evasion of a comment on the facts by selective editing is a hallmark of a true Liberal. And your style of reasoning is one reason I dislike spending time around Conservatives. Charlie Self "It is not strange... to mistake change for progress." Millard Fillmore |
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Brian Henderson writes:
A couple weeks ago there was some guy on the radio who wanted Walmart sued because they weren't paying a family wage to their employees. The radio hosts kept asking him "since when did Walmart ever claim they were going to pay a family wage?" Everyone is supposed to get a "family" wage from day one? Maybe after 6 years in college. It's a ludicrous concept, IMO. I seem to recall an old idea, "work your way up", that may have gone by the boards now. As I said, from what I've seen the number of retirees working at various Walmart stores is high (or apparent retirees. They are all people who look older than I do). I'm sure most of them would like $10 an hour for smiling at customers, but I doubt any of them would believe it if it was offered. And, of course, your radio twerp didn't specify what a "family wage" might be. I know people who need 100K a year to barely maintain their family's life style and I know others who do pretty well on 10K, net. Depends a lot on what the "family" expects and how large it is. Charlie Self "It is not strange... to mistake change for progress." Millard Fillmore |
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"G.E.R.R.Y." writes:
that the insurance companies' profits were up over *800%* /in/ /one/ /year/. They are among the biggest, most obscene bandits in our economy. Have you compared insurance company profits by year from 2000 to 2003? I'll bet the total dollars of profit compared between 2000 and 2003 isn't much different. Insurers made little profit in 2001/2002. An 800% increase could be because they are now back to normal. I don't like the rate of insurance increases any more than anyone else. My insurance rate actually barely increased at my last renewal in December. Brian Elfert |
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On 8-Apr-2004, Brian Elfert wrote:
An 800% increase could be because they are now back to normal. No, the profits were an all-time record. Insurance=theft a lot of the time, IMNSHO. Mike |
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Brian Henderson writes:
On 07 Apr 2004 09:50:37 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) wrote: Everyone is supposed to get a "family" wage from day one? Maybe after 6 years in college. It is ludicrous. It's the same nonsense that the recent grocery strike pointed out. These union assholes think that they're special and deserve benefits that NO ONE ELSE GETS! These people are basically unskilled labor but they think they deserve as much money as people who spent 12 years in college. The local bus drivers have been on strike for a month now. They are upset because the government transit operator wants to raise the employee cost for retiree health care and raise the eligibility to 25 years of service. Until 8 or 9 years ago, they only had to work 10 years for health care. The expired contract specifies 17 years for health care. Where is my subsidized health care? Why should transit workers get subsidized health care when the taxpayers paying their wages don't get the same? Unless something changes in the next 35 years, I will never be able to retire. My employer will be paying as much for my health care as my wages, and I make a pretty good hourly rate. Brian Elfert |
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twerp??? you are dating yourself there, charlie-boy. :) I'm
supposed to be the big name caller around these parts. don't try to usurp my place in the scheme of things. do professional writers usually write in the manner that you have sunk to? I'm just wondering. I think you are the only one I know. How about those "HAND" drills? Was it REALLY the editor that mucked up the title of your article? Seems kinda cowardly to blame him... dave Charlie Self wrote: Brian Henderson writes: A couple weeks ago there was some guy on the radio who wanted Walmart sued because they weren't paying a family wage to their employees. The radio hosts kept asking him "since when did Walmart ever claim they were going to pay a family wage?" Everyone is supposed to get a "family" wage from day one? Maybe after 6 years in college. It's a ludicrous concept, IMO. I seem to recall an old idea, "work your way up", that may have gone by the boards now. As I said, from what I've seen the number of retirees working at various Walmart stores is high (or apparent retirees. They are all people who look older than I do). I'm sure most of them would like $10 an hour for smiling at customers, but I doubt any of them would believe it if it was offered. And, of course, your radio twerp didn't specify what a "family wage" might be. I know people who need 100K a year to barely maintain their family's life style and I know others who do pretty well on 10K, net. Depends a lot on what the "family" expects and how large it is. |
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