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Jet...Junk?
A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting
after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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you need to let go of your prejudices and buy something on it's merits.
I've got a Powermatic BS that is fantastic. Guess where it is made. If you are dying and the emergency room doctor happens to be a foreigner, will you tell him to sit this one out while you bleed to death? Use your head! and don't bitch to me; you ASKED for thoughts dave Oregon wrote: A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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Are you normally this naive or just new to all of this. Jet has always been
an import. And you might be surprised how little Delta and Craftsman builds in the US. Face it, if you think American built dictates quality, that might be the answer to why American car builders got away for so long building crap and why it was so easy for the imports to come in and dominate. "Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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"Oregon" wrote in message A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. Your thoughts on the matter? My thoughts? Want an honest answer or one that will make you feel good? Anyone that thinks you can't get quality from overseas has their head up their butt. FWIW, if it was still 1954, I might agree with you. Ed |
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
you need to let go of your prejudices and buy something on it's merits. I've got a Powermatic BS that is fantastic. Guess where it is made. If you are dying and the emergency room doctor happens to be a foreigner, will you tell him to sit this one out while you bleed to death? Use your head! I remember a patient who didn't want a particular doctor because he was of Indian extraction... no matter that he'd lived in this country since he was four years old. Turns out the patient was a garbageman. His mama must be proud of *him*. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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Jet...Junk?
I work for one of the big two (was big three) so I understand the "Buy
American" thing. Unfortunately, everybody's moving overseas and you really have to look hard to find something made in the US. I bought a Delta Planer and Drill press, and after unpacking it, found that the DP is made in China and the planer is made in Taiwan. China is still suspect in my book, but my experience is that stuff out of Taiwan is consistently good quality. Separately, I bought a Fuji bicycle, since it's a old, old brand out of Japan. Suprise, it's made in Taiwan too. BTW, as an engineer, Imperial units (inches) really suck, and MY bp goes up every time I have to convert from slugs or pounds to kilograms and newtons..... Y I work for one of the big two (was big three) but it's no "Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:40:01 GMT, "Oregon" wrote:
A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? I'd be more impressed with your jingoism if you did do the research before you bought each and every one of those tools.* The fact that you don't know just means you're a sunshine patriot (not intending to insult any real patriots) who only swings at the oriental (or wherever) straw man when it's convenient and showy. If you REALLY had this "buy American thing happening" you'd have been doing it consistently all along, and wouldn't have any suspect tools in the first place. * Actually, no I wouldn't. - - LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net |
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Jet...Junk?
I read all these posts and I can only speak for myself. Like you, I'll
usually pay a few more dollars for something "made in the USA". Despite what the others have said, the quality is almost always at least slightly better. That doesn't mean there isn;t junk being built right here in our backyard. JET has a nearly outstanding reputation. I don;t own their tools, but I've used them. And, like someone said earlier, even Delta machinery is made mostly overseas.... in Taiwan. So, don;t hold off from buying a Jet tool just because it's made foreign. But if you're like me and all tools being equal, I'll buy USA as often as possible. Larry -- Americans "Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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Jet...Junk? (long & rambling)
Like it or not, we ARE in a global economy these days. A cellular phone
product I service _was_ made in Ft. Worth, then Brazil and now is made in China...of course. Products are built where they can be built most profitably. These days, that means somewhere with little or no problems with unions, noise buffer zones, industrial waste laws and of course no real minimum wages. What we consider "slave wages" per hour here, are more than some folks earn per day or week in other parts of the world. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying this is the way things are. Just because an item is built outside the US does not mean, necessarily, that it is not built well or built right. Most of our TVs are made somewhere in the orient. RCA & AMPEX used to built broadcast color TV cameras and video tape machines here. But Sony, JVC, Panasonic and Ikagami built the same items with newer features, smaller and less expensively. Would you still be holding out for an American RCA or Zenith color set? RCA is built off shore and owned by a French firm, Thompson, if I remember correctly. Not sure Zenith even exists. And you can get a darned good color set at Wally World for $129 from some firm I can't even pronounce. I know the folks who used to built RCA, Zenith, Motorola/Quasar etc. here are out of work. Not because they built a poor product but more likely because Sony, Panasonic etc. were able to build a better product & change with the moods of the US market (you and me) faster as well as build with cheaper labor. We want new bells and whistles all the time. American manufacturers are not as willing to put those bells and whistles on their products. Motorola's StarTac phones for example. They were small, tough and they did the job. They did not, however, offer ringtones, games or video cameras. Moto almost lost all their share of the handset market before they brought out their new line with those features. The second and third world seems quite capable of building our entertainment systems, cars, trucks, motorcycles, cell phone system infrastructure & the handsets, PDAs, hard drives, clothing etc. etc. And doing a first class job of it. If not, why do _we_ buy the stuff? If America could build a better mouse trap at a competitive price, why don't we? Because we choose to have clean air and water. Because we like to live in America as it is not as it was. Look up some photos of America's industrial centers, rail centers and ports during WWII. Do you want to live with _that_ in our water and air? An old neighbor of mine had his entire breathing system screwed up. Spend all his life as a fireman and engineer on coal and early oil fired railroad locomotives. No anti-pollution system on those bad boys. His lungs did that job for many years. Until they began to fail. I like the clean air we enjoy today. I do not want to spend my last few years lugging around an Oxygen bottle. I would also like to thank those from my fathers generation who made the sacrifices, in Europe & the South Pacific as well as in our mines, foundries, factories, mills, rail/dock/shipyards required to assure the freedom I enjoy today. I know a couple guys with a boatload of JET products. I'm sure they would rather have spend their $$ on something made in the USA but could not find a competitive American made product for the same price. So they bought JET. So far, they have been very happy with JET and these guys would really bitch like hell if they thought their investment went for "junk". As I stated earlier, we live in a global economy...like it or not. We will need to adapt and learn to life with that fact. We tried to isolate ourselves from the world before WWII. Turns out that may not have been such a good idea. If the JET looks like it will do the job for you and is the best product you can find for your $$, then buy it! There are many Americans involved in bring it to your door. If you insist on American made...check out Shopsmith. I have one and it does a great job. There were a number of SS clones built here and off-shore, some time back. Most of those firms died off so sometimes a good old American firm CAN compete and win. But then you really don't want a Shopsmith, even though it is built in Dayton, OH, do you? Time for a chill pill DexAZ "Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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Jet...Junk? (long & rambling)
I've resisted all attempts to pry my StarTac mobile phone from my grasp!
I love the sound quality and won't trade it in for a color screen, or the chance to listen to Toccata and Fugue in D Minor on a dinky little phone of the moment with keys so small I can't even SEE them, much less PRESS them! My wife had hopes of getting a replacement for her StarTac at Christmas but I quelled her enthusiasm for switching by having her listen to the awful sound quality of the newer phones. dave DexAZ wrote: Like it or not, we ARE in a global economy these days. A cellular phone product I service _was_ made in Ft. Worth, then Brazil and now is made in China...of course. Products are built where they can be built most profitably. These days, that means somewhere with little or no problems with unions, noise buffer zones, industrial waste laws and of course no real minimum wages. What we consider "slave wages" per hour here, are more than some folks earn per day or week in other parts of the world. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying this is the way things are. Just because an item is built outside the US does not mean, necessarily, that it is not built well or built right. Most of our TVs are made somewhere in the orient. RCA & AMPEX used to built broadcast color TV cameras and video tape machines here. But Sony, JVC, Panasonic and Ikagami built the same items with newer features, smaller and less expensively. Would you still be holding out for an American RCA or Zenith color set? RCA is built off shore and owned by a French firm, Thompson, if I remember correctly. Not sure Zenith even exists. And you can get a darned good color set at Wally World for $129 from some firm I can't even pronounce. I know the folks who used to built RCA, Zenith, Motorola/Quasar etc. here are out of work. Not because they built a poor product but more likely because Sony, Panasonic etc. were able to build a better product & change with the moods of the US market (you and me) faster as well as build with cheaper labor. We want new bells and whistles all the time. American manufacturers are not as willing to put those bells and whistles on their products. Motorola's StarTac phones for example. They were small, tough and they did the job. They did not, however, offer ringtones, games or video cameras. Moto almost lost all their share of the handset market before they brought out their new line with those features. The second and third world seems quite capable of building our entertainment systems, cars, trucks, motorcycles, cell phone system infrastructure & the handsets, PDAs, hard drives, clothing etc. etc. And doing a first class job of it. If not, why do _we_ buy the stuff? If America could build a better mouse trap at a competitive price, why don't we? Because we choose to have clean air and water. Because we like to live in America as it is not as it was. Look up some photos of America's industrial centers, rail centers and ports during WWII. Do you want to live with _that_ in our water and air? An old neighbor of mine had his entire breathing system screwed up. Spend all his life as a fireman and engineer on coal and early oil fired railroad locomotives. No anti-pollution system on those bad boys. His lungs did that job for many years. Until they began to fail. I like the clean air we enjoy today. I do not want to spend my last few years lugging around an Oxygen bottle. I would also like to thank those from my fathers generation who made the sacrifices, in Europe & the South Pacific as well as in our mines, foundries, factories, mills, rail/dock/shipyards required to assure the freedom I enjoy today. I know a couple guys with a boatload of JET products. I'm sure they would rather have spend their $$ on something made in the USA but could not find a competitive American made product for the same price. So they bought JET. So far, they have been very happy with JET and these guys would really bitch like hell if they thought their investment went for "junk". As I stated earlier, we live in a global economy...like it or not. We will need to adapt and learn to life with that fact. We tried to isolate ourselves from the world before WWII. Turns out that may not have been such a good idea. If the JET looks like it will do the job for you and is the best product you can find for your $$, then buy it! There are many Americans involved in bring it to your door. If you insist on American made...check out Shopsmith. I have one and it does a great job. There were a number of SS clones built here and off-shore, some time back. Most of those firms died off so sometimes a good old American firm CAN compete and win. But then you really don't want a Shopsmith, even though it is built in Dayton, OH, do you? Time for a chill pill DexAZ "Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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Yeah, what he said. I have friends around the world. I have no reason to
deny them a job just because their momma didn't spit them out on American soil. I want the best value for the price I'm willing to pay. I have lots of JETS tools and continue to buy them. Obviously I find their value including quality to be worth the price I'm willing to pay. -- Larry C in Auburn, WA "DexAZ" wrote in message hlink.net... Like it or not, we ARE in a global economy these days. A cellular phone product I service _was_ made in Ft. Worth, then Brazil and now is made in China...of course. Products are built where they can be built most profitably. These days, that means somewhere with little or no problems with unions, noise buffer zones, industrial waste laws and of course no real minimum wages. What we consider "slave wages" per hour here, are more than some folks earn per day or week in other parts of the world. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying this is the way things are. Just because an item is built outside the US does not mean, necessarily, that it is not built well or built right. Most of our TVs are made somewhere in the orient. RCA & AMPEX used to built broadcast color TV cameras and video tape machines here. But Sony, JVC, Panasonic and Ikagami built the same items with newer features, smaller and less expensively. Would you still be holding out for an American RCA or Zenith color set? RCA is built off shore and owned by a French firm, Thompson, if I remember correctly. Not sure Zenith even exists. And you can get a darned good color set at Wally World for $129 from some firm I can't even pronounce. I know the folks who used to built RCA, Zenith, Motorola/Quasar etc. here are out of work. Not because they built a poor product but more likely because Sony, Panasonic etc. were able to build a better product & change with the moods of the US market (you and me) faster as well as build with cheaper labor. We want new bells and whistles all the time. American manufacturers are not as willing to put those bells and whistles on their products. Motorola's StarTac phones for example. They were small, tough and they did the job. They did not, however, offer ringtones, games or video cameras. Moto almost lost all their share of the handset market before they brought out their new line with those features. The second and third world seems quite capable of building our entertainment systems, cars, trucks, motorcycles, cell phone system infrastructure & the handsets, PDAs, hard drives, clothing etc. etc. And doing a first class job of it. If not, why do _we_ buy the stuff? If America could build a better mouse trap at a competitive price, why don't we? Because we choose to have clean air and water. Because we like to live in America as it is not as it was. Look up some photos of America's industrial centers, rail centers and ports during WWII. Do you want to live with _that_ in our water and air? An old neighbor of mine had his entire breathing system screwed up. Spend all his life as a fireman and engineer on coal and early oil fired railroad locomotives. No anti-pollution system on those bad boys. His lungs did that job for many years. Until they began to fail. I like the clean air we enjoy today. I do not want to spend my last few years lugging around an Oxygen bottle. I would also like to thank those from my fathers generation who made the sacrifices, in Europe & the South Pacific as well as in our mines, foundries, factories, mills, rail/dock/shipyards required to assure the freedom I enjoy today. I know a couple guys with a boatload of JET products. I'm sure they would rather have spend their $$ on something made in the USA but could not find a competitive American made product for the same price. So they bought JET. So far, they have been very happy with JET and these guys would really bitch like hell if they thought their investment went for "junk". As I stated earlier, we live in a global economy...like it or not. We will need to adapt and learn to life with that fact. We tried to isolate ourselves from the world before WWII. Turns out that may not have been such a good idea. If the JET looks like it will do the job for you and is the best product you can find for your $$, then buy it! There are many Americans involved in bring it to your door. If you insist on American made...check out Shopsmith. I have one and it does a great job. There were a number of SS clones built here and off-shore, some time back. Most of those firms died off so sometimes a good old American firm CAN compete and win. But then you really don't want a Shopsmith, even though it is built in Dayton, OH, do you? Time for a chill pill DexAZ "Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? O. |
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Mortimer Schnerd writes:
I remember a patient who didn't want a particular doctor because he was of Indian extraction... no matter that he'd lived in this country since he was four years old. Turns out the patient was a garbageman. His mama must be proud of *him*. Reminds me of the college professor in NYC who sneered at the garbage men's strike back in the '60s. I asked him how much of a problem it would create if all the teachers in the city struck for 6 weeks. There isn't a damned thing wrong with being a garbage man. What's wrong with your guy is not his job. Charlie Self "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right in America." William J. Clinton http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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My garbageman drives a fully restored '61 corvette. He lives about 3 blocks
from where I do. As you say, nothing wrong with being a garbageman. Mike "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Mortimer Schnerd writes: I remember a patient who didn't want a particular doctor because he was of Indian extraction... no matter that he'd lived in this country since he was four years old. Turns out the patient was a garbageman. His mama must be proud of *him*. Reminds me of the college professor in NYC who sneered at the garbage men's strike back in the '60s. I asked him how much of a problem it would create if all the teachers in the city struck for 6 weeks. There isn't a damned thing wrong with being a garbage man. What's wrong with your guy is not his job. Charlie Self "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right in America." William J. Clinton http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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In article . com, "Oregon" wrote:
A recent WoodCraft flier revealed that the Jet bandsaw I've been lusting after is made in Taiwan. I've got this "buy American" thing happening, partly because...well, I'm an American, and because other than cars and electronics, I'm not convinced that those foreign boys make a decent product. My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? "Made in Taiwan" is a lot better than "Made in China". At least the capitalist economy in Taiwan provides a better incentive for quality than does China's communist system. Most of my power tools were made in Taiwan. I have a JET table saw and benchtop mortiser, and don't see any quality problems with either one. I wouldn't hesitate to buy JET, or other Taiwan-made tools, again. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter, send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Reminds me of the college professor in NYC who sneered at the garbage men's strike back in the '60s. I asked him how much of a problem it would create if all the teachers in the city struck for 6 weeks. There isn't a damned thing wrong with being a garbage man. What's wrong with your guy is not his job. A fellow who wipes asses for a living doesn't think poorly of garbagemen's contributions to society in general. OTOH, this fellow had no business looking down his nose at the doctor because he was a little darker than others. The doc was raised and educated in Ohio. It was the blatant racism that offended me. The patient was openly abusive of any of the help who wasn't white. My attitude was, if he doesn't want their help, he doesn't need mine. Whenever he wanted something, I took my time finding him a white coworker. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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A fellow who wipes asses for a living doesn't think poorly of garbagemen's contributions to society in general. OTOH, this fellow had no business looking down his nose at the doctor because he was a little darker than others. The doc was raised and educated in Ohio. It was the blatant racism that offended me. The patient was openly abusive of any of the help who wasn't white. My attitude was, if he doesn't want their help, he doesn't need mine. Whenever he wanted something, I took my time finding him a white coworker. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN Does he carry his prejudice to the point of refusing himself certain medications, treatments & procedures? He'd probably be surprised that not all of the medical wonders we enjoy today were invented, discovered or developed by white, English speaking Christians in the USA. It would be interesting to find out what treatments/procedures/medications he needed to regain his health and what the religious, cultural etc. background of those who brought that treatment etc. to modern medicine was. If he knew, he would probably limit his own treatments to a nice big enema. (I _hope_ those were invented by white Europeans at least) But as that might be administered by a Filipino nurse...well, I guess that is out too. So...there he is, just one more bigot, full of shiRt! DexAZ |
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Yitah Wu wrote: I work for one of the big two (was big three) so I understand the "Buy American" thing. Unfortunately, everybody's moving overseas and you really have to look hard to find something made in the US. I bought a Delta Planer and Drill press, and after unpacking it, found that the DP is made in China and the planer is made in Taiwan. China is still suspect in my book, but my experience is that stuff out of Taiwan is consistently good quality. Separately, I bought a Fuji bicycle, since it's a old, old brand out of Japan. Suprise, it's made in Taiwan too. The last bikes FUJI actually made in Japan were produced around 1987 or 1988 (give or take a year). The mid 1980's were the heyday for Japanese made bikes - Fuji and Miyata come to mind. In 1986, IMO, the absolute best year for Japanese bikes sold in this country, the dollar was at an alltime high against the Yen, so importing Japanese goods to America provided enormous values for American consumers. The currency exchange rates starting reversing direction after 1986, and ultimately, Japanese manufactures starting contracting with Tiawan to produce their designs. Ultimately, Tiawan bikes got to be pretty good, but never as good as their counterparts from Japan. Miyata held on longer than Fuji as a purely Japanese bike supplier, but even they succumbed before 1990. Panasonic and Bridgestone were the other major Japanese bike manufacturers - mostly producing bikes under contract for marketing companies. At one time, I think Bridgestone was the largest. Now, China is the country or origin for many mid-level bikes sold in this country. They produce equipment more cost-efficiently than Tiawan, so production moved there -- probably not as good as Tiawan, but I'm only guessing on that score. Rick |
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Mortimer Schnerd notes:
A fellow who wipes asses for a living doesn't think poorly of garbagemen's contributions to society in general. OTOH, this fellow had no business looking down his nose at the doctor because he was a little darker than others. The doc was raised and educated in Ohio. It was the blatant racism that offended me. The patient was openly abusive of any of the help who wasn't white. My attitude was, if he doesn't want their help, he doesn't need mine. Whenever he wanted something, I took my time finding him a white coworker. What I said: his problem is not his job. His problem is that he is bigoted fool. Charlie Self "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right in America." William J. Clinton http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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"Bill McNutt" wrote in message
American manufacturers need to find way to make better tools at a competative price. Most that are still in business today do just that ... they take it overseas to take advantage of the lower cost of the second of the two necessities for goods production in Eco 101. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/28/04 |
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Jet...Junk?
About 3 to 5 years ago I wanted a 'new' small outboard that had the ability
to 'shift' gears. With the 3.5hp you were 'in gear' ALL the time. I had to swing it 180 degrees and lean way over the transom to be in 'reverse'. A bit tricky for getting a sailboat into a slip or to a ramp. While Yamaha, Tahotsu, and Nissan {actually made by Tahotsu !!} are all over the place, I wanted to at least *try* to 'buy American'. I had started out - MANY years ago - with an Evinrude, a great American 'standard'. I also believe in *shopping*, plus there are actually very few 'small' engines available. I finally found an 'older' dealer - in 'downtown South Philly'. He had a 'leftover' 6hp, extra-long shaft Evinrude 'Yachttwin' - with a generator. This was EXACTLY what I was looking for - it was specifically for SAILBOATS !! Lugged the carton home - a BIG carton, it had a 'impromptu' stand inside for shipping support - and into the shop. I put together a 'work stand' tall enough to allow the 25 inch 'shaft' to clear the floor, and got the motor set-up. As I 'prepped' it - cleaning, waxing, greasing - I noticed the attached metal 'manufacturers plate' . . . 'Made in BELGIUM' !! Talk about stunned !! Anyhow, the motor works fine. 'Evinrude' {at least the outboards}have been sold to 'Bombardier' of Canada. And that's the last time I went 'out of my way' to be 'patriotic'. Could I go on ranting about the inequity of it all ? - ABSOLUTELY, but it wouldn't do any good. Regards, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop "Swingman" wrote in message ... "Bill McNutt" wrote in message American manufacturers need to find way to make better tools at a competative price. Most that are still in business today do just that ... they take it overseas to take advantage of the lower cost of the second of the two necessities for goods production in Eco 101. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/28/04 |
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This also applies to Harbor Freight and other trash tool importers.
"B a r r y" wrote in message ... On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:40:01 GMT, "Oregon" wrote: Snip What bothers me about the "Global Economy" are the news sound bites of laid-off factory workers in Ohio, North Carolina, etc... complaining that the President hasn't created jobs, as they walk into _WAL*MART*! G We're choosing our own path here. Barry ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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I would prefer to always buy American made products but
that's increasingly difficult now, obviously. I don't really have anything against an import saw or other tool but if I can find one made in America that's as good as the import and isn't significantly more expensive then I'll buy it. That being said, I couldn't find any saw for anywhere near the same money as my General Internationl 50-185 LM1 that had the same features or quality. Regarding the Jet, I wasn't all that impressed with them. Nice saw, but for the money I liked the GI better. I looked at four different models of Jet saw from the cheapest contractor saw to a fully outfitted cabinet saw and all four had what I would call an unuseable miter gauge. The pin that the head rotated on was loose in it's hole. You could tighten the adjustment down as tight as possible but there was no way tighten the pin in it's hole. All four were like that. I asked the store manager at one store and the salesman at another and both had never noticed it before. Neither had an explanation but the manager guy did say he'd call Jet about it and get back to me...He never did and I suspect it's because Jet just shrugged their shoulders. I strongly considered buying the Jet hybrid saw from my local dealer but because of the useless miter gauge and, more importantly, because the dealer never addressed the issue I'm now the very satisfied owner of the GI saw. I paid less and overall got a better saw. Ok, so I haven't tried to deal with GI customer service but I haven't had too either. Bruce Redding, Ca. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
"Made in Taiwan" is a lot better than "Made in China". At least the capitalist economy in Taiwan provides a better incentive for quality than does China's communist system. Second that... It's gotten to the point, sad though it may be, where Made in Taiwan is a relatively good thing. I'd buy Taiwanese over Chinese any day, even if China still insists that Taiwan is a wayward province. American is better, of course, but let's not even go there. AFAIK, JET has *always* been an importer. Am I wrong about that old time Wreckers? Seems they came onto the scene with imported copies of Delta tools, and they've always been an importer, rather than a manufacturer. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench.
The whole world is metric except US and England. Quick, divide 1.301mm by 5. Now try 4 ft. 3 in and 7/32" The world does change.... For the better. |
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"Mike in Mystic" wrote in message om... My garbageman drives a fully restored '61 corvette. He lives about 3 blocks from where I do. As you say, nothing wrong with being a garbageman. Mike Too bad he can not afford a new one! ;-) Greg |
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Japan Equipment & Tools was, I believe, the original J.E.T.
"Silvan" wrote in message ... AFAIK, JET has *always* been an importer. Am I wrong about that old time Wreckers? Seems they came onto the scene with imported copies of Delta tools, and they've always been an importer, rather than a manufacturer. |
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"Swingman" writes:
"Bill McNutt" wrote in message American manufacturers need to find way to make better tools at a competative price. Most that are still in business today do just that ... they take it overseas to take advantage of the lower cost of the second of the two necessities for goods production in Eco 101. You're not an American manufacturer if your stuff is made overseas. You are an American importer then. Brian Elfert |
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"Brian Elfert" wrote in message
"Swingman" writes: "Bill McNutt" wrote in message American manufacturers need to find way to make better tools at a competative price. Most that are still in business today do just that ... they take it overseas to take advantage of the lower cost of the second of the two necessities for goods production in Eco 101. You're not an American manufacturer if your stuff is made overseas. You are an American importer then. Agreed ... notice the trend? Although I am not a Bush basher, and can't swear to it as it may just be partisan BS, but I recently read somewhere that the Admininistration is trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". With the number of manufacturing jobs being lost to this country, it's not hard to figure how much better that would be for the statistics. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/28/04 |
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"Swingman" wrote in message news:-Kidncu0_tgDydrdRVn- Agreed ... notice the trend? Although I am not a Bush basher, and can't swear to it as it may just be partisan BS, but I recently read somewhere that the Admininistration is trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". With the number of manufacturing jobs being lost to this country, it's not hard to figure how much better that would be for the statistics. Shoot Swingman, I thought McDonalds was imported food. |
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Leon wrote: "Swingman" wrote in message news:-Kidncu0_tgDydrdRVn- Agreed ... notice the trend? Although I am not a Bush basher, and can't swear to it as it may just be partisan BS, but I recently read somewhere that the Admininistration is trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". With the number of manufacturing jobs being lost to this country, it's not hard to figure how much better that would be for the statistics. Shoot Swingman, I thought McDonalds was imported food. McDonalds has food? When did this happen? I heard the same thing as Swingman, the Administration wants to reclassify fast food workers as manufacturing workers. What's sad is there are people who will quote the new statistics with the new classification as though they were numbers under the old classification. -- -- Mark N.E. Ohio Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A. Mark Twain) When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense. (Gaz, r.moto) |
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"B a r r y" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:09:39 -0600, "Swingman" wrote: Although I am not a Bush basher, and can't swear to it as it may just be partisan BS, but I recently read somewhere that the Admininistration is trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". I've heard that as well, but couldn't place a source. Google turned up this: http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/Schum..._releases/PR02 454.html Pretty ridiculous, eh? Our government in action. Especially love the following: "If fast food is classified as manufacturing, perhaps the neighborhood lemonade stand should be considered part of the military-industrial complex," yeah!! ... now you're really fooling us! LOL. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/28/04 BTW, when did you change your name? |
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Swingman responods:
Although I am not a Bush basher, and can't swear to it as it may just be partisan BS, but I recently read somewhere that the Admininistration is trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". I've heard that as well, but couldn't place a source. Google turned up this: http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/Schum..._releases/PR02 454.html Pretty ridiculous, eh? Our government in action. Especially love the following: "If fast food is classified as manufacturing, perhaps the neighborhood lemonade stand should be considered part of the military-industrial complex," It's funny, but the thought processes that can formulate that sort of nonsense should have been left to Monty Python. As political thought, it is scary. My wife had heard this somewhere and I didn't believe it. But, then, I'm the guy who once told his first set of in-laws that I didn't believe Spiro Agnew had sold out as Governor of Maryland...my rationale was simple. 85K wasn't enough for a guy in his position. But, of course, it was. Charlie Self "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right in America." William J. Clinton http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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or even Harley Davidson for that matter
"Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day,fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way......" |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... Although I am not a Bush basher, and can't swear to it as it may just be partisan BS, but I recently read somewhere that the Admininistration is trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". I heard that teaser too on NPR and stayed in the car long enough to listen to the whole story. As ridiculous as it sounds, the commentator went on to say that the classification is pretty arbitrary. IIRC, "bakers" are an example of folks already classified as Manufacturers. My take-home after the piece ended was that as absurd as the McDonald's reclassification was - the government's already done a bang-up job of screwing it up. Dubya' was, at best, "piling on". |
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"George" wrote in message ... Japan Equipment & Tools was, I believe, the original J.E.T. "Silvan" wrote in message ... AFAIK, JET has *always* been an importer. Am I wrong about that old time Wreckers? Seems they came onto the scene with imported copies of Delta tools, and they've always been an importer, rather than a manufacturer. Myth - According to the "Jet History" section in my Ittura Designs catalog. The history is a tad obscure and relies on knowledge of early workers. But the story goes that "Whazz-His-Name" (the man who started Jet) rode an early 707 to Japan. Liked it, was impressed, and adapted the moniker to his company. Yes - according to that history - Jet started as an importer. What plans WMH has for it, remains to be seen. |
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"Oregon" wrote in message igy.com... My BP goes up a bit every time I have to grab a "mm" wrench. Zowie dude - relax. You're heading for an aneurism. Save your strokes for bigger things - things like Torx! So what's the scoop with Jet? Seems to be a quality tool, but "made in Taiwan" doesn't fill me with tool-joy. Don't think of it as "Taiwan" - think of it as "Formosa". I'm sure I'd be disappointed if I researched the country of origin for my Delta and Craftsman tools. Your thoughts on the matter? I'ma thinking you're kind of inherently disappointable. Maybe? Huh? |
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10 years ago, the gray haired American educated and born internist finished
my father's physical exam. The young Iranian med student at his side, asked if it would be ok if he palpated my father's abdomen. That young foreigner discovered an aortic aneurism - a ticking time bomb for sure death which the internist had missed. The repair surgery was successful and I have had a father to coach and support me through the most tumultuous years of my career. Quality can be found in all nations. I buy lots of Jet. "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message . com... I remember a patient who didn't want a particular doctor because he was of Indian extraction... no matter that he'd lived in this country since he was four years old. Turns out the patient was a garbageman. His mama must be proud of *him*. |
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mttt wrote:
Yes - according to that history - Jet started as an importer. What plans WMH has for it, remains to be seen. What else do you expect? They're going to dump quality into the toilet and slap JET stickers on every piece of crap they can get their hands on. That's what such people almost always do. Buy a respected brand, sell anything they can lay their hands on under that brand, run it into the toilet, and then get rid of the division after its reputation is destroyed. (Yes, I'm still ****ed off about the total crap sitting on store shelves wearing the Tonka brand name. Hasbro, you suck, and I don't mean that in a Wreck way.) -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Swingman wrote:
trying to get fast food restaurants re-classifed from "Service" to "Manufacturing". With the number of manufacturing jobs being lost to this country, it's not hard to figure how much better that would be for the statistics. Good grief. Though I can sort of see it in a way. Next they'll do the same for BORG type jobs. After all, grabbing items and slapping them across a scanner is another robot-like endeavor. Next thing you know, every cashier in the country will have a manufacturing job. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |