I figure on shipping some of my Wiaard banks in the future. So,
I've been researching shipping and packaging materials.

Boxes are reasonably enough priced, but bubble wrap, etc., turn out
pretty high-priced, for my needs. So, more google.

Nothing much useful, but got to thinking more on it. I hadn't
figured on wrapping enough bubble wrap, or whatever, around the bank to
make it a decent fit in the box, had figured just enough to protect the
finish, keep it from getting scratched up, with the space probably
filled with balled up newspaper, air-popped popcorn. whatever (I hate
those damn styrofoam peanuts). Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.

I think I've got it covered, but need to know, am I missing any
down-sides on using Saran Wrap?

Basically, life is good.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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JOAT asks:

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.

I think I've got it covered, but need to know, am I missing any
down-sides on using Saran Wrap?

I get the uneasy feeling it might stick to finishes, but...try a test. Wrap a
similar shaped, finished object with Saran wrap. Set it in the freezer for a
night or so. Then stick it over a heat vent (this assumes you don't have a heat
pump with its low temp heat at the vents). Or next to a fireplace or woodstove
(even better). Then let it stand for a day, pop it back near the heat and sit
for another day. Then peel off the wrap.

If it's OK, you're ready to go.

Quick note: when I visited Lee Valley back last year, I noticed a special
machine in their shipping department. It tears and wrinkle clean, low cost
paper they use for stuffing boxes. Since then, I've noticed several other
companies using similar machine torn paper. I didn't ask at the time, but my
guess is that it is slightly cheaper than peanuts, a lot cheaper than bubble
wrap, and probably easier on the environment, too.

Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

Saran is DuPont's polyvinylidene chloride. You might search for
properties of PVDC. Its real virtue is that water and air don't pass
through it easily. It's pretty thoroughly cross linked and I wouldn't
expect it to permanently adhere to a well cured finish. But, as with
anything a trial is in order. Polyethylene will stick less.

I buy most of my shipping supplies from Uline when I can't get the
locally. You might look at what they have also.

http://www.uline.com/index.asp

RB

T. wrote:
I figure on shipping some of my Wiaard banks in the future. So,
I've been researching shipping and packaging materials.

Boxes are reasonably enough priced, but bubble wrap, etc., turn out
pretty high-priced, for my needs. So, more google.

Nothing much useful, but got to thinking more on it. I hadn't
figured on wrapping enough bubble wrap, or whatever, around the bank to
make it a decent fit in the box, had figured just enough to protect the
finish, keep it from getting scratched up, with the space probably
filled with balled up newspaper, air-popped popcorn. whatever (I hate
those damn styrofoam peanuts). Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.

I think I've got it covered, but need to know, am I missing any
down-sides on using Saran Wrap?

Basically, life is good.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/

Any chance of ink transfer onto the piece from the shopper papers if you
used them? I know the one I get here leaves my hands a mess when I thumb
through it.

How about getting roll ends from your local newspaper? Usually cheap, no
ink, readily available (if there is a newspaper or print shop close to you).
That would be cheaper than buying stuff such as in the link below:
http://www.uline.com/AdvSearchResult...&Method=BROWSE







"T." wrote in message
...
I figure on shipping some of my Wiaard banks in the future. So,
I've been researching shipping and packaging materials.

Boxes are reasonably enough priced, but bubble wrap, etc., turn out
pretty high-priced, for my needs. So, more google.

Nothing much useful, but got to thinking more on it. I hadn't
figured on wrapping enough bubble wrap, or whatever, around the bank to
make it a decent fit in the box, had figured just enough to protect the
finish, keep it from getting scratched up, with the space probably
filled with balled up newspaper, air-popped popcorn. whatever (I hate
those damn styrofoam peanuts). Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.

I think I've got it covered, but need to know, am I missing any
down-sides on using Saran Wrap?

Basically, life is good.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/

How about a roll of white (blank) newsprint. You can usually pick the roll
ends up for free or next-to-free. You could use the stuff for wrapping your
banks and also for stuffing although the free newspapers would be cheaper
for stuffing.

IF shipping USPS Priority Mail, remember our government will hand-deliver
free shipping boxes to your front door. It's true! My daughter sells quite
a bit on eBay and she just requests the sizes and quantities of boxes she
needs (tape too) and they deliver it for free to our doorstep. Heck of a
service. P.S. thanks everyone for paying to do this. Yeah, I know, me too.


--
Larry C in Auburn, WA

"T." wrote in message
...
I figure on shipping some of my Wiaard banks in the future. So,
I've been researching shipping and packaging materials.

Boxes are reasonably enough priced, but bubble wrap, etc., turn out
pretty high-priced, for my needs. So, more google.

Nothing much useful, but got to thinking more on it. I hadn't
figured on wrapping enough bubble wrap, or whatever, around the bank to
make it a decent fit in the box, had figured just enough to protect the
finish, keep it from getting scratched up, with the space probably
filled with balled up newspaper, air-popped popcorn. whatever (I hate
those damn styrofoam peanuts). Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.

I think I've got it covered, but need to know, am I missing any
down-sides on using Saran Wrap?

Basically, life is good.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/

"T." wrote in message
...
Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.


No experience with Saran. I have used poly bags with good results. They
can be had pretty cheap also. Considering the use, a very thin bag like the
dry cleaners use, or a shopping bag like Wal Mart uses, etc. You can
usually find them pretty cheap. If you have a local manufacturer, maybe even
rejects. You don't care if they leak or are mis-printed.

Newsprint does not offer any cushioning. Depending on the fragility,
weight, etc, it may be a factor to consider. . Shredded paper gives a
little cushioning.
Ed

sometimes if your lucky, you can find bubble wrap in dumpsters, and always
newspapers.
Tony D.
"T." wrote in message
...
I figure on shipping some of my Wiaard banks in the future. So,
I've been researching shipping and packaging materials.

Boxes are reasonably enough priced, but bubble wrap, etc., turn out
pretty high-priced, for my needs. So, more google.

Nothing much useful, but got to thinking more on it. I hadn't
figured on wrapping enough bubble wrap, or whatever, around the bank to
make it a decent fit in the box, had figured just enough to protect the
finish, keep it from getting scratched up, with the space probably
filled with balled up newspaper, air-popped popcorn. whatever (I hate
those damn styrofoam peanuts). Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

I figured shipping materials for one bank would run something like
$2, which I don't consider unreasonable. Then got to thinking again.
Hehehe I was (foolishly) thinking of buying a newspaper, to ball up as
filler. Then thought of free "shopper" papers. I often get one anyway.
Probably enough pages for one bank. Heh heh. Another expense saved.
Maybe closer to $1.50 a bank.

I would like to hear from anyone has used Saran Wrap in shipping
some of the things they've made.

I think I've got it covered, but need to know, am I missing any
down-sides on using Saran Wrap?

Basically, life is good.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/

Instead of using bubble wrap, foam is a better alternative, it always
bounces back to it original size where if the bubbles on bubble wrap
pop, all you have is a thin plastic sheet protecting the finish. after
that wrap it with the shrinnk wrap used in the shipping industry, it
is all relitivly cheap from a shipping supply store.

as for a shipping company there should be a shiiping broker in you
area that you could use to find you a truck. they usually have a list
of trucks that still have some space left over and they would rather
pull a full load than a partiel. we have used this method a number of
time when shipping our equipment.

In article fKtSb.58173$U%5.335044@attbi_s03, Larry C in Auburn, WA
wrote:

How about a roll of white (blank) newsprint. You can usually pick the roll
ends up for free or next-to-free. You could use the stuff for wrapping your
banks and also for stuffing although the free newspapers would be cheaper
for stuffing.

I was going to suggest that too, if there's a newspaper printer in
JOAT's area. Roll ends here go for about $5 CAD (I get them for free,
of course), and will have a couple of hundred feet on them. Usually
somewhere between 30 and 36 inches wide.

djb

--
There are no socks in my email address.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"

I was going to suggest that too, if there's a newspaper printer in
JOAT's area. Roll ends here go for about $5 CAD (I get them for free,
of course), and will have a couple of hundred feet on them. Usually
somewhere between 30 and 36 inches wide

I keep meaning to go get some at the local newspaper. Cheap, long, wide enough
for small object photography, one helluva lot cheaper than seamless paper
(narrow roll [53"] 12 yards long costs about $22 delivered).

And digital has a changeable white balance that would make even a grayish paper
OK.

Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

We get some stuff shipped to us packed with something like small, inflated,
joined together plastic bags as stuffing. Send me your mailing addy and I'll
send you some of the stuff next shipment we get, probably next Wednesday.

Steve

"T." wrote in message
...
I figure on shipping some of my Wiaard banks in the future. So,
----------------------------8-----------------blah, blah, blah
JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 8:50am (RB) says:
snip I wouldn't expect it to permanently adhere to a well cured
finish. snip

I figure nothing would be wrapped up in it for more than about a
week. Some of the craft forms talk about wrapping stuff in it, for
sale, and no telling how long it would be around something then.

I buy most of my shipping supplies from Uline snip

Ran across their link earlier, looks good for boxes.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 8:57am ess (GSX) asks:
Any chance of ink transfer onto the piece from the shopper papers if you
used them? snip

Not that I've ever noticed. Besides, the Saran Wrap would keep any
off the item.

How about getting roll ends from your local newspaper? snip

You mean to pay? With real money? What would the fun be in that?

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 2:19pm (EST+5)
(Larry=A0C=A0in=A0Auburn,=A0WA)
How about a roll of white (blank) newsprint. snip

See my other response, about spending real money.

IF shipping USPS Priority Mail, snip

Ah, but these weigh right at 8 lbs, and closer to 10, boxed. For
any distance over about 200 miles, it's cheaper going UPS. They deliver
to your door too.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 2:49pm (EST+5) (Edwin=A0Pawlowski) says:
No experience with Saran. I have used poly bags with good results.
snip

Hmm, makes me think of real cheap garbage bags. Basically all I'm
wanting is something to keep the surface from getting rubbed and
scratched.

Newsprint does not offer any cushioning. Depending on the fragility,
weight, etc, it may be a factor to consider. . Shredded paper gives a
little cushioning.

I'm figuring it shouldn't be a problem.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 10:30am (Anthony=A0Diodati)
claims:
sometimes if your lucky, you can find bubble wrap in dumpsters, and
always newspapers.

Dumpster diving for wood, yes. For bubble wrap and/or newspapers,
no.
=A0=A0=A0

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 8:33am (EST-3) (Ryan=A0Morin)
says:
Instead of using snip as for a shipping company snip

No, and no.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
Some tunes I like.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 10:40am (EST-1)
(Dave=A0Balderstone) says:
I was going to suggest that too, if there's a newspaper printer in
JOAT's area. Roll ends here go for about $5 CAD (I get them for free, of
course), and will have a couple of hundred feet on them. Usually
somewhere between 30 and 36 inches wide.

There are several printers in the area. But, even if I got them
free, I'd still have to lift them. One of the reasons I became a
philosopher was, all indoor work, and no heavy lifting


JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
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Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 3:46am (EST+5)
(Steve) says:
We get some stuff shipped to us packed with something like small,
inflated, joined together plastic bags as stuffing. Send me your mailing
addy and I'll send you some of the stuff next shipment we get, probably
next Wednesday.

Appreciate the offer, but no thanks. I'm trying to keep this all
as low tech as possible. And, as inexpensive.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 8:50am (RB) says:
Saran is DuPont's polyvinylidene chloride. You might search for
properties of PVDC. snip

Did, but found this a much more interesting read. Found it when I
looked for "properties of Saran Wrap".
http://www.unitpack.com/index.htm

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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I can send the drill press attachment that is manufactured locally for
me here in the US via priority mail for $3.85 anywhere in this country
and the P.O. furnishes me with the box and priority large envelope.
I wrap the tool in bubble wrap 1'x1' and fill in the box with 1 sheet of
newspaper so that it won't rattle. The Vertilathe itself weighs a little
over 2 # and you are allowed up to 4 # for the $3.85 postage.
I figure it's a good deal for less than $4.



George
http://vertilathe.freeyellow.com

In article ,
(T.) wrote:

For
any distance over about 200 miles, it's cheaper going UPS. They deliver
to your door too.

Please seriously consider using Federal Express (FedEx), if it is
available to shippers in your area.

I can frankly tell you that I and several other people I know have had
bad experiences with UPS. When nothing goes wrong, it is great and they
are always very pleasant on the phone when something does go wrong. But
once something has gone wrong it can be bloody hell getting things
straightened. Furthermore, for shipments from the U.S. to Canada, the
minimum FedEx fee for handling customs clearance is MUCH lower than the
UPS fee.

I and several others I know no longer buy anything that the seller will
not ship by a carrier other than UPS.

--
Regards,

Benoit Evans

I remember now who it is, Amazon uses this stuff in some recent boxes we
got.

Steve

"T." wrote in message
...
Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 3:46am (EST+5)
(Steve) says:
We get some stuff shipped to us packed with something like small,
inflated, joined together plastic bags as stuffing. Send me your mailing
addy and I'll send you some of the stuff next shipment we get, probably
next Wednesday.

Appreciate the offer, but no thanks. I'm trying to keep this all
as low tech as possible. And, as inexpensive.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 29 Jan 2004.
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(T.) writes:

make it a decent fit in the box, had figured just enough to protect the
finish, keep it from getting scratched up, with the space probably
filled with balled up newspaper, air-popped popcorn. whatever (I hate
those damn styrofoam peanuts). Then I thought Saran Wrap. Cheap,
available (any grocery store), fairly easy to put on. All I need is to
keep the filler away from the finish. Sounds good.

Stretch wrap would probably be less expensive. You can certainly get it
from Uline. I have no idea if it would adhere to a wood finish. I've
wrapped painted wood with it before and it didn't affect the paint.

I know you like cheap, but you customers might not. I would charge your
customer an extra dollar for shipping and handling rather than send out
poorly packaged items. Customers will get upset if their item arrives
damaged due to poor packaging.

Brian Elfert

Tue, Feb 3, 2004, 5:55pm (EST+5) (Brian=A0Elfert) says:
snip I know you like cheap, but you customers might not. I would
charge your customer an extra dollar for shipping and handling rather
than send out poorly packaged items. Customers will get upset if their
item arrives damaged due to poor packaging.

Rather, I like inexpensive - but I'm always willing to pay, when
appropriate.

The extra would be $2, not $1, as the box would cost that. And, it
would not be poorly packaged, because the box should be more than sturdy
enough, on its own.

JOAT
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts.
- Pete Maccarrone

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
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