Upscale wrote:

with tiling, slate tiling for example. Costs more, is more labour intensive
to cut and one would not be as prone to replace it on a whim like you might
do with vinyl.

What's the consensus there? Do the whole floor after the cabinets are
removed or just tile up to existing cabinets? The disadvantage to tiling

Personally, I'd remove all the cabinets and put new flooring wall-to-wall.
You know the advantages. Ask a flooring contractor how much cost
difference there will be. They usually price flooring per square foot
installed, but I don't know if they just calculate the room dimensions
to get the square footage or do they deduct the cabinet's footprint?

Easy enough to ask. Then it's just a question of whether you think
the cost difference (if any) is worth the possible later hassels.

It's interesting that in Europe it's fairly common for people to
take all their kitchen cabinets with them when they move. So floors
are finished to the walls, and new tenants/owners arrange their
kitchen as they like when they move in.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

Upscale wrote:
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
A large vinyl floor would require a long, straight seam that might end
up in an inopportune place. Fitted around cabinetry, the seams are much
easier to hide.

Ok, let's forget the cheap alternatives for a moment. A vinyl floor IMHO, is
relatively cheap in materials, easy to cut and easy to install.

Depends on the material, but I'll move on...

What's the consensus there? Do the whole floor after the cabinets are
removed or just tile up to existing cabinets?

Put the cabinets in first.

The disadvantage to tiling
while the cabinets are in place is that there's a whole lot more fitting and
cutting, alterations in the future might mean that slate is not produced
anymore, but money saved on material costs. Or, take out the cabinets, do
the whole floor, spend more on materials, but have an easier install?

The install isn't that much easier, unless the whole floor accepts whole
tiles wall to wall.

I'll respect your option to do your own home as you like.

Doug Winterburn wrote:
Even with the front legs screwed all the way
up, it was necessary to loosen the screws from under the cabinet fronts
and pry the counter top loose. This wasn't easy as the counter tops had
also been set in a silicone glue in addition to the screws.

Imagine removing your cabinets?

Doug Winterburn wrote in news:v2Dil.12879$Pc.2393
@newsfe10.iad:

It all
worked out in the end, but my vocabulary was somewhat increased.


I hope you documented the CME credits, or continuing tile educcation
credits, as the case may be.

--
Best regards
Han
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What Barry said.

I've tiled tons of kitchen floors for the best flooring store in my
state. On remodels, only once were cabinets removed, and then only
because they were water damaged and the folks (also filthy rich) were
starting their kitchen over from scratch. Most of the potential
problems many of you see with tiling only to the cabinets are no problem
at all. Dishwashers go in and out easily due to the adjustable front
legs, like someone else mentioned. None of the floors I've done had
later issues.

Installing new cabinets later is almost never an issue. ALWAYS order
extra tile, and maybe even keep your cut pieces. These can be used
later if new cabinets expose a spot or two.

There is a reason for buying extra tile, other than the obvious future
crack or break. You want all the tile, including extras for future
fixes, to be from the same "die lot"....meaning, basically, made in the
same batch. If you try to buy replacement tiles later down the road,
sometimes even only a month later, the colors likely will not match
perfectly, even with the exact same tile, because tilemakers can never
quite duplicate perfectly the "die lot". Batches of the same tile, made
at seperate times, rarely match perfectly, colorwise. You may not
notice this, but I would.

I realize people here are foreseeing future issues, but save yourself
some time and money and install up to the cabinets. Pros do it all the
time, even on their own houses. Just caulk with the color of your
choice under those toekicks.

Dave S wrote:

There is a reason for buying extra tile, other than the obvious future
crack or break. You want all the tile, including extras for future
fixes, to be from the same "die lot"....meaning, basically, made in the
same batch. If you try to buy replacement tiles later down the road,
sometimes even only a month later, the colors likely will not match
perfectly, even with the exact same tile, because tilemakers can never
quite duplicate perfectly the "die lot". Batches of the same tile, made
at seperate times, rarely match perfectly, colorwise. You may not
notice this, but I would.

Right! And even in the same lot, shuffle the contents of the boxes.

"Gordon Shumway" wrote

The floor was installed before the cabinets were and therefore, goes
under the cabinets. My question is should I leave the cabinets in
place,

Yes, but it depends ...

along with the old floor, and put a new subfloor and tile over
the existing floor?

Depends upon the condition of the subfloor.

Or should I remove the base cabinets old floor
and old subfloor, and put a new subfloor and tile from wall to wall
and reinstall the cabinets?

No, but it depends ...

Is there a web site that shows detailed steps?

Not really ... you need an experienced builder/remodeler to evaluate _your_
situation and advise you on what best fits _your_ situation.

Simply put, no amount of guessing here will get you the best results for
_your_ situation.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Swingman wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote

The floor was installed before the cabinets were and therefore, goes
under the cabinets. My question is should I leave the cabinets in
place,

Yes, but it depends ...

along with the old floor, and put a new subfloor and tile over
the existing floor?

Depends upon the condition of the subfloor.

Or should I remove the base cabinets old floor
and old subfloor, and put a new subfloor and tile from wall to wall
and reinstall the cabinets?

No, but it depends ...

Is there a web site that shows detailed steps?

Not really ... you need an experienced builder/remodeler to evaluate
_your_ situation and advise you on what best fits _your_ situation.

Simply put, no amount of guessing here will get you the best results
for _your_ situation.

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I enjoyed all your waffling up front.

I couldn't agree more with you on your closing statement.

P D Q