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[email protected] March 1st 08 12:46 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that
explains how to reverse the running direction of an existing router -
say a PC690?
Thanks.

JP

Bonehenge (B A R R Y) March 1st 08 01:31 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:46:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that
explains how to reverse the running direction of an existing router -
say a PC690?


Why? The cutting edge will face the wrong way.

Shapers are reversible, but shaper cutters can be installed in the
correct cutting direction based on shaft rotation. The only router
bit that I can think of where it's possible to reverse the cut
direction is a slot cutter.

If you've got a cool idea based on a reversed router, I'd love to hear
about it!


Andrew Erickson March 1st 08 07:14 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
In article ,
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" wrote:

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:46:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that
explains how to reverse the running direction of an existing router -
say a PC690?


Many (most?) routers use universal AC/DC motors, so simply reversing the
field and armature connections (with respect to each other) should make
it spin in the opposite direction. Reversing the leads to the brushes
would be one way.

I STRONGLY recommend against trying it, though, as you'd have the
colette tightening in the wrong direction, and its attachment screw also
threaded the wrong way. Instead of tending to work tighter, it would
tend to work looser. I do my utmost to avoid having sharp things come
loose while spinning at high speeds.

Why? The cutting edge will face the wrong way.


Quite true, at least in the general case. I was assuming the original
poster had some strange backwards bits lying around.

--
Andrew Erickson

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot

Jay Pique March 2nd 08 04:10 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Mar 1, 8:31*am, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:46:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? *Or, does anyone know of a site that
explains how to reverse the running direction of an existing router -
say a PC690?


Why? *The cutting edge will face the wrong way.


Some left-hand bits are available, and I'm sure they can be custom
made in about any profile.

If you've got a cool idea based on a reversed router, I'd love to hear
about it!


There are certain applications where it would be nice to not have to
worry about blow-out when template routing. Specifically, cutting the
left and right door jamb to fit an angled sill. We use one-piece
jambs, with the stops rabbeted in, and it's a bit time consuming to
clamp backer blocks to the potential blow-out areas. My thinking was
that I could start the cut with a right hand bit, and come in from the
other side with a left hand bit.

JP

Jay Pique March 2nd 08 04:17 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Mar 1, 2:14*pm, Andrew Erickson
wrote:

Many (most?) routers use universal AC/DC motors, so simply reversing the
field and armature connections (with respect to each other) should make
it spin in the opposite direction. *Reversing the leads to the brushes
would be one way.


That's what I was looking for...

I STRONGLY recommend against trying it, though, as you'd have the
colette tightening in the wrong direction, and its attachment screw also
threaded the wrong way. *Instead of tending to work tighter, it would
tend to work looser. *I do my utmost to avoid having sharp things come
loose while spinning at high speeds.


...and that's an excellent argument against doing so. At this time I
haven't been able to find left-handed bearing-guided bits, although I
could use the available LH straight cutters with a collar. I can get
these from Whiteside et al. This would eliminate the bearing screw
issue, but not the collet.

JP

Fred the Red Shirt March 2nd 08 05:56 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Mar 2, 11:10 am, Jay Pique wrote:

...

There are certain applications where it would be nice to not have to
worry about blow-out when template routing. Specifically, cutting the
left and right door jamb to fit an angled sill. We use one-piece
jambs, with the stops rabbeted in, and it's a bit time consuming to
clamp backer blocks to the potential blow-out areas. My thinking was
that I could start the cut with a right hand bit, and come in from the
other side with a left hand bit.


ISTR that shapers can be run in reverse
and the typical shaper cutter can be turned
upside down to reverse the direction in which
it cuts.

That would allow one to cut mirror image profiles
with the same cutter, though of course you can
do the same thing by flipping the workpiece upside
down.

--

FF



George March 2nd 08 06:45 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
...
On Mar 1, 8:31 am, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote:
On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 04:46:09 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that
explains how to reverse the running direction of an existing router -
say a PC690?


Why? The cutting edge will face the wrong way.


Some left-hand bits are available, and I'm sure they can be custom
made in about any profile.

If you've got a cool idea based on a reversed router, I'd love to hear
about it!


There are certain applications where it would be nice to not have to
worry about blow-out when template routing. Specifically, cutting the
left and right door jamb to fit an angled sill. We use one-piece
jambs, with the stops rabbeted in, and it's a bit time consuming to
clamp backer blocks to the potential blow-out areas. My thinking was
that I could start the cut with a right hand bit, and come in from the
other side with a left hand bit.

Spiral?


J T March 2nd 08 08:23 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
Sat, Mar 1, 2008, 4:46am (EST-3) doth query:
Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that explains
how to reverse the running direction of an existing router - say a
PC690?

First, why would you ask? You in a backward country or sumpthing?



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I do not have a problem with a woman president - except for Hillary.


Jay Pique March 2nd 08 08:42 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Mar 2, 3:23*pm, (J T) wrote:
Sat, Mar 1, 2008, 4:46am (EST-3) doth query:
Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that explains
how to reverse the running direction of an existing router - say a
PC690?

* * *First, why would you ask? *You in a backward country or sumpthing?


Nope, I'm right here in the US of A.

JP
*******************
Forward?

Larry W March 2nd 08 09:52 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
In article ,
wrote:
Are there commercially available hand-held routers that run backwards
from the normal direction? Or, does anyone know of a site that
explains how to reverse the running direction of an existing router -
say a PC690?
Thanks.

JP


I'd be leary of reversing the direction of an existing router. I believe
the collet would loosen if the shaft turned opposite the normal
direction.
--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

Bonehenge (B A R R Y) March 2nd 08 10:42 PM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:10:43 -0800 (PST), Jay Pique
wrote:



There are certain applications where it would be nice to not have to
worry about blow-out when template routing.


What about the bits with bearings on both ends?

Switch from top to bottom pattern in seconds.

Jay Pique March 4th 08 12:20 AM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
On Mar 2, 5:42*pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:10:43 -0800 (PST), Jay Pique

wrote:

There are certain applications where it would be nice to not have to
worry about blow-out when template routing.


What about the bits with bearings on both ends?

Switch from top to bottom pattern in seconds.


That's definitely an option. It just seems like it'd be so nice to be
able to set up your template once, clamp your workpiece once, and just
grab the router you need at the time. Especially for larger pieces.
Now it's a mission to find one!

JP

B A R R Y March 4th 08 11:48 AM

Routers - reverse rotation?
 
Jay Pique wrote:
On Mar 2, 5:42 pm, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:10:43 -0800 (PST), Jay Pique

wrote:

There are certain applications where it would be nice to not have to
worry about blow-out when template routing.

What about the bits with bearings on both ends?

Switch from top to bottom pattern in seconds.


That's definitely an option. It just seems like it'd be so nice to be
able to set up your template once, clamp your workpiece once, and just
grab the router you need at the time. Especially for larger pieces.
Now it's a mission to find one!



On that note, you could also equip one router with a top bearing and the
other with a bottom. You'd still have to unclamp, but you have to
switch routers anyway.

Clamping can be made faster with holdfasts, wedges, or quick clamps.


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