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How much weight can a wall support (mounting a cabinet on a wall)
I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep
which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? Thanks! Jean-François |
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Mannanan asks:
I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? You need to screw it into the studs, not the wall. Locate the studs before mounting the cabinet, pick the spots for your screws, and drive them neatly into the studs. If you like, place a decorative brace just under the cabinet, screwed into the same studs. Studs will support a devil of a lot more weight than will expansion fasteners in drywall or plaster. Depending on load, I'd use 2 or 3 screws per stud (on 24" centers, you'll hit 3, on 16" centers, you might hit 4). #10 or #12, 3" length. Do NOT use drywall screws. Charlie Self "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson |
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Mannanan MacLir wrote:
I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? As Charlie said you want the screws secured in the wall studs. If the studs placement doesn't work for the cabinet a "French cleat" might help. See: http://benchmark.20m.com/plans/FrenchCleat.pdf -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply) |
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Charlie's got ya covered.
dave Mannanan MacLir wrote: I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? Thanks! Jean-François |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? -- Mark |
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Mannanan MacLir wrote:
I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? I don't know what that "French cleat" flummy Jack was talking about is. It may be what I'm about to describe. I had to hang an obscenely heavy mirror in my dining room. It's a huge, thick piece of glass fastened to an ornate wooden backing with mirror clips. It needed to be in the center of the wall, needed to span as many studs as possible, and had to be screwed behind the glass. The way I tackled that was to lag screw two 2x3 strips so that they spanned three or four studs. I did chin-ups on the strips a couple of times to prove to myself that they could take the weight (the mirror weighs a lot, but I weigh more and then I lag screwed the wooden backing to the strips in convenient places. Put the glass on, and it's held up for years. You could do the same kind of thing for a cabinet easily. If you have any doubts about the weight, add it up and talk to your local building inspector. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Mark Jerde asks:
Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? They're brittle, so their shear strength is poor. Charlie Self "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson |
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"Charlie Self" wrote in message
... Mark Jerde asks: Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? They're brittle, so their shear strength is poor. Charlie Self "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson I think it's also the case that they have a relatively narrow shank, which obviously doesn't improve their strength. todd |
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"Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Mark Jerde asks: Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? They're brittle, so their shear strength is poor. I have used deck screws for things like that. Are they brittle also? I figure they are pretty much the same as drywall screws except for length. A few have broken going in, but I have never had a problem afterwards. |
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They are quite brittle. They tend to snap.
"Mark Jerde" wrote in message ... Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? -- Mark |
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On 16 Nov 2003 02:03:15 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths: Mark Jerde asks: Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? They're brittle, so their shear strength is poor. Yeah, if you accidentally drop 4 bowling balls on one shelf of your glassware hutch at once it might cause the whole thing to fall. I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? ---------------------------------------------------------------- * OPERA: A Latin word * Wondrous Website Design * meaning * Save your Heirloom Photos * "death by music" * http://www.diversify.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Greetings and Salutations.
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:11:19 GMT, "Wade Lippman" wrote: "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Mark Jerde asks: Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? They're brittle, so their shear strength is poor. I have used deck screws for things like that. Are they brittle also? I figure they are pretty much the same as drywall screws except for length. A few have broken going in, but I have never had a problem afterwards. Nope...Deck Screws are NOT hardened to the extent that drywall screws are...so they are a lot "tougher" - resistant to breaking when drilling in. As for hanging the cabinet...I would recommend (as others have) the French cleat method. Although it does space the cabinet out half an inch or so, it is going to be THE strongest and most flexible way to hang them. I have been using the technique some years now, and was interested to note that one of the woodworking magazines has JUST published a lengthy and very positive article about the technique. Shoot one or two screws though the wall cleat into the studs (making sure to get an inch into the stud itself) and you just about will be able to hang an elephant on the cleat before it fails. Regards Dave Mundt |
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Wade Lippman asks:
I have used deck screws for things like that. Are they brittle also? I figure they are pretty much the same as drywall screws except for length. A few have broken going in, but I have never had a problem afterwards. Deck screws should be less brittle, but a lot depends on the particular deck screw. Given a choice, which we usually are, I'd kick back on-line and pop over to www.mcfeelys.com for answers on screws. Jim has several types of deck screw,d epending on material used, and he has a potful of driver type screws up to something like 3-7/8". He also has a #10 deep thread that he recommends for hanging cabinets. It comes in four different finishes, has a round washer head, is a #10 and comes in 5/8" to 3" lengths. Charlie Self "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson |
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Larry Jaques questions:
Yeah, if you accidentally drop 4 bowling balls on one shelf of your glassware hutch at once it might cause the whole thing to fall. I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? I've had heads twist off with very low force--hand driven, in fact. So there's no chance at all I'll ever have a shear failure in a real project with one. I simply do not use them except to install wallboard. Charlie Self "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson |
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"Mannanan MacLir" writes:
I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? You should specify what "normal" walls are. Wooden walls as in the U.S. are quite different from the normal brick or concrete walls in Europe, where they are certainly up to the task, IF you are able to anchor the screws well. So first tell what kind of a wll you have. -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
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Thank you very much!! It is very appreciated. I will follow your advice.
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:01:24 GMT, Larry Jaques
wrote: I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? Overtightening a drywall screw, which is common with power-driven screws into wood/wood interfaces, will twist the head right off. Barry |
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Charlie Self wrote:
Larry Jaques questions: Yeah, if you accidentally drop 4 bowling balls on one shelf of your glassware hutch at once it might cause the whole thing to fall. I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? I've had heads twist off with very low force--hand driven, in fact. So there's no chance at all I'll ever have a shear failure in a real project with one. I simply do not use them except to install wallboard. In my home office I have 3 sets of 3 eight foot bookshelves attached to the wall studs with 2" drywall screws. The shelves are chocked full of mainly computer programming books, dunno, maybe 1000 lbs on each set of the 3 shelves. They've been up for several years. Any reason I should be worried? (I don't recall for sure, but I probably drilled a hole for most of the length before putting in the screws.) -- Mark |
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"Mark Jerde" wrote in message
s.com... Charlie Self wrote: Larry Jaques questions: Yeah, if you accidentally drop 4 bowling balls on one shelf of your glassware hutch at once it might cause the whole thing to fall. I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? I've had heads twist off with very low force--hand driven, in fact. So there's no chance at all I'll ever have a shear failure in a real project with one. I simply do not use them except to install wallboard. In my home office I have 3 sets of 3 eight foot bookshelves attached to the wall studs with 2" drywall screws. The shelves are chocked full of mainly computer programming books, dunno, maybe 1000 lbs on each set of the 3 shelves. They've been up for several years. Any reason I should be worried? (I don't recall for sure, but I probably drilled a hole for most of the length before putting in the screws.) -- Mark I wouldn't be that concerned at this point. My beef with drywall screws (like Charlie, it sounds), is that they seem to twist off the head during installation rather easily. todd |
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Mark Jerde asks:
In my home office I have 3 sets of 3 eight foot bookshelves attached to the wall studs with 2" drywall screws. The shelves are chocked full of mainly computer programming books, dunno, maybe 1000 lbs on each set of the 3 shelves. They've been up for several years. Any reason I should be worried? (I don't recall for sure, but I probably drilled a hole for most of the length before putting in the screws.) Half a ton? Books are heavy, but that's still a lot of books. If the screws haven't sheared off by now, I'd forget it. I think. Then again, I might run in some other type of steel screws just to be safe. Hope you're not in earthquake country. Charlie Self "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson |
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Charlie Self wrote:
I've had heads twist off with very low force--hand driven, in fact. So there's no chance at all I'll ever have a shear failure in a real project with one. I simply do not use them except to install wallboard. Wish I had remembered how hard they are. I used some to screw a jig together. The points were sticking out a trifle at the bottom, so I whipped out my handy dandy X-Acto razor saw. Such a pity. I used that stupid thing all the time for cutting everything, but now it's ruined unless I find some reallllly tiny needle files to put new points on it. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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What part of the world are you in? Makes a big difference on the answer to
your question. You did build your cabinet, destined for wall use, with built-in screw strips, didn't you? I build both wall and base units, which must be attached to a wall, with at least an upper and lower 3/4" thick screw strip that sits flush between the back panel and back edge of the cabinet sides. TIP: If you bevel the bottom part of the TOP screw strip, it will also do double duty it as the top half of a "French cleat'. Here in the US, where most construction is wooden frame, I use deck or drywall screws for the LOWER screw strips of my cabinets, screwed into studs or blocking. BUT, I _always_ screw at least two 3 1/2" lag bolts, using the TOP screw strip of the cabinet, the number depending upon the width of the cabinet, into at least two studs, or the blocking between the studs. On a 48" wide cabinet, I would use 3 lag bolts on the TOP screw strip, one in the middle and the other two evenly spaced toward the sides. Fastened thusly at the TOP screw strip, you can use just about any type of screw, drywall or otherwise in the lower screw strips and the cabinet will handle all the weight for which it was designed. I recently started using "French cleats", but I still like the lag bolts in the top screw strip for peace of mind, particularly when I do work for someone besides myself ... not to mention possible liability issues. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "Mannanan MacLir"wrote in message I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? Thanks! Jean-François |
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"Swingman" writes:
[...] I build both wall and base units, which must be attached to a wall, with at least an upper and lower 3/4" thick screw strip that sits flush between the back panel and back edge of the cabinet sides. [...] Fastened thusly at the TOP screw strip, you can use just about any type of screw, drywall or otherwise in the lower screw strips and the cabinet will handle all the weight for which it was designed. What is the use of the lower screw strip? The upper one bears the weight, keeps the cabinit from falling. The lower would just keep it from lifting off the wall, which it would have to do against gravity; Most wall-hanging cabinets from furniture shops come with only the upper mounting option... -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
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Around here, mainly to keep the leveling wedges from falling out, and lets
you get away with actually using all those drywall screws you have on hand from another project. ;) IME, using the bottom screw strips helps in pulling the cabinet tightly against the wall, helps with rigidity of the unit, and aids in leveling a line of cabinets when part of a wall of cabinets fastened together. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "Juergen Hannappel"wrote in message Fastened thusly at the TOP screw strip, you can use just about any type of screw, drywall or otherwise in the lower screw strips and the cabinet will handle all the weight for which it was designed. What is the use of the lower screw strip? The upper one bears the weight, keeps the cabinit from falling. The lower would just keep it from lifting off the wall, which it would have to do against gravity; Most wall-hanging cabinets from furniture shops come with only the upper mounting option... |
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"Mannanan MacLir" wrote in message
.. . I am building an oak cabinet, roughly 48 inches wide, 30 high, and 10 deep which will contain glassware. I want to wall mount this unit, and I was wondering if (normal) walls are up to the task, and what are the best means of anchoring it to the wall to have the best support. Any ideas? Thanks! Jean-François Look up "french cleat". http://www.newwoodworker.com/frenchcleat.html If you attach the lower portion of the cleat to the wall studs with lag bolts or large screws (2 or more per stud) and then use additional short screws to simply secure the bottom of the cabinet to the wall, you should be able to hang a couple hundred pounds. As an example - I built a simple bookshelf for my office - birch ply and a face frame, dadoed and rabbeted and glued. I used a french cleat with four screws, two per stud, and used two more screws (#10 x 3) to secure the bottom. To test, I did a couple of chinups on the shelf. I weigh almost 290 lb. It held. Do it this way and you won't have to worry about any normal amount of weight. Jon E |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On 16 Nov 2003 02:03:15 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) brought forth from the murky depths: Mark Jerde asks: Charlie Self wrote: Do NOT use drywall screws. Why is that? They're brittle, so their shear strength is poor. Yeah, if you accidentally drop 4 bowling balls on one shelf of your glassware hutch at once it might cause the whole thing to fall. I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? No, but the *slightest* bit of bending during maximum shear load will cause failure. There's only one thing drywall screws are good for, and that's hanging drywall. If an in-duh-vidual is too cheap to spring for a box of decent screws to support some weight, the in-duh-vidual deserves to have their project fall apart. Jon E - just say (tmPL) I took a ingineering class once.... |
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"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
s.com... In article , says... On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:01:24 GMT, Larry Jaques wrote: I've had failures in drywall screws, but it was from a racking/bending force, not shear force. Have you had a failure from shear? Overtightening a drywall screw, which is common with power-driven screws into wood/wood interfaces, will twist the head right off. Barry But that's a torsional force, not shear force. Lots of armchair engineers in the audience lately. The primary failure mode of a circular member in torsion is by shear stress. There's a difference in a shear force and a shear stress. todd |
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Larry Kraus wrote:
How do you join this screw strip to the cabinet? I've looked through many cabinetry books and articles without finding many details on this connection. Looking at most manufactured kitchen wall cabinets, it appears that the strip just fits between the end panels and squeezes the back panel to the wall. Since the back panel is usually just a stapled-on piece of eighth inch ply or hardboard, I'm unable to see where the strength is. The top screw strip should be attached to the top of the cabinet and also at the ends, to each side panel. The bottom one should be attached to the bottom and the sides. |
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Properly done, the screw strip is itself screwed into the cabinet top and
sides, and to the bottom and sides ... it becomes an integral part of the cabinet construction and _very_ strong. For additional strength in a cabinet that must hold a lot of weight, I also glue it to the back panel when I install it. Keep in mind that the back panel in a cabinet made this way is contained in a rabbet that is cut 3/4" from the back edge of the two cabinet sides. If you use a 3/4" thick screw strip, generally about 4 1/2" wide, it fits flush with the back edges of the cabinet. I'll mention again that if you bevel the bottom edge of the top screw strips before installing it, the strip itself can also be used as the top half of a "French Cleat. When doing this, I often use a double French cleat and put an additional screw strip in the middle of the back of the cabinet. There is a picture of this double cleat used to install a wall cabinet on my website: one of the journal pages (writing desk). -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 9/21/03 "Larry Kraus" wrote in message How do you join this screw strip to the cabinet? I've looked through many cabinetry books and articles without finding many details on this connection. Looking at most manufactured kitchen wall cabinets, it appears that the strip just fits between the end panels and squeezes the back panel to the wall. Since the back panel is usually just a stapled-on piece of eighth inch ply or hardboard, I'm unable to see where the strength is. "Swingman" wrote: I build both wall and base units, which must be attached to a wall, with at least an upper and lower 3/4" thick screw strip that sits flush between the back panel and back edge of the cabinet sides. |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:53:35 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE"
t wrote: As an example - I built a simple bookshelf for my office - birch ply and a face frame, dadoed and rabbeted and glued. I used a french cleat with four screws, two per stud, and used two more screws (#10 x 3) to secure the bottom. To test, I did a couple of chinups on the shelf. I weigh almost 290 lb. It held. Do it this way and you won't have to worry about any normal amount of weight. What amazes me, Jon, is not that the shelf held 290 lbs, but that you, weighing 290 lbs, are able to do a couple of chin ups. I'm only 275 and anything involving lifting my body weight has been out of the question for years. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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"Tim Douglass" wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:53:35 GMT, "Jon Endres, PE" t wrote: As an example - I built a simple bookshelf for my office - birch ply and a face frame, dadoed and rabbeted and glued. I used a french cleat with four screws, two per stud, and used two more screws (#10 x 3) to secure the bottom. To test, I did a couple of chinups on the shelf. I weigh almost 290 lb. It held. Do it this way and you won't have to worry about any normal amount of weight. What amazes me, Jon, is not that the shelf held 290 lbs, but that you, weighing 290 lbs, are able to do a couple of chin ups. I'm only 275 and anything involving lifting my body weight has been out of the question for years. Tim Douglass Two or three is about all I'm capable of. Always been a big boy, but I've kept myself in marginally good enough shape to do what needs to be done. One thing I have worried about, as a volunteer firefighter, is getting into trouble and having my fellow FF's not be able to get me out. Full air pack and gear I tip the scales at almost 340 lbs. J |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:36:08 -0800, Rico wrote:
What amazes me, Jon, is not that the shelf held 290 lbs, but that you, weighing 290 lbs, are able to do a couple of chin ups. I'm only 275 and anything involving lifting my body weight has been out of the question for years. Hey! I'm 250 and bicycle 4000 miles a year (on and off road), play roller hockey in the summer and ice hockey in the winter. I regularily leave mere 170 pounders in the dust on my bikes. It's a number... G Barry |
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"Mark Jerde" wrote in message s.com... wall studs with 2" drywall screws. The shelves are chocked full of mainly computer programming books, dunno, maybe 1000 lbs on each set of the 3 shelves. They've been up for several years. Any reason I should be worried? (I don't recall for sure, but I probably drilled a hole for most Hell yeah! You've should be worried about the bux you've blown on books that are out-of-date already? Any of them "Programming Apple ][ Pascal"? Or "PDP-11 Assembly Language"? Pssst - have you got any room to store my two VIC-20 books??? |
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When I first "discovered" the french cleat method for hanging
cabinets, when redoing my kitchen ages ago, I thought it was the greatest idea since insert witty invention here. BUT, beware of unsquare/unplumb corners in (old) houses. Built a lovely corner unit that musta weighed 40# (maybe more, not less) Now, I know 40# to you brutes is barely equivalent to a feather for me. But for l'il ole me it gets kinda heavy, especially when one has to repeatedly lift the ^#@%#*^%# cabinet a hundert times because the &$*^%#* walls aren't *&%&$*& straight! But, I get ahead of myself... So, I fasten a cleat to each wall. Lift the cabinet...resort to sliding it up the wall, and hang it on the cleats. The walls are soo bad that it won't grab both cleats. Long story short - mess around with various adjustments, including a cleat on one wall, but in the end, mount the cabinet the old fashioned way, directly into the walls using lags (I don't have studs, didn't trust the furring strips, so I lagged into the concrete block (brick and block walls) - The lagging was yet more excitement, entailing rather long screws (have to accomodate the furring strips and drywall), but I don't recall nor will I bore you with the details. Those corner cabinets aren't moving. If I found myself a 350# football linebacker for a boyfriend, I can rest assured he could do his chin ups off those cabinets ;-) Renata On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:40:31 GMT, (Dave Mundt) wrote: Greetings and Salutations. Nope...Deck Screws are NOT hardened to the extent that drywall screws are...so they are a lot "tougher" - resistant to breaking when drilling in. As for hanging the cabinet...I would recommend (as others have) the French cleat method. Although it does space the cabinet out half an inch or so, it is going to be THE strongest and most flexible way to hang them. I have been using the technique some years now, and was interested to note that one of the woodworking magazines has JUST published a lengthy and very positive article about the technique. Shoot one or two screws though the wall cleat into the studs (making sure to get an inch into the stud itself) and you just about will be able to hang an elephant on the cleat before it fails. Regards Dave Mundt |
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How much weight can a wall support (mounting a cabinet on a wall)
mttt wrote:
Hell yeah! You've should be worried about the bux you've blown on books that are out-of-date already? Any of them "Programming Apple ][ Pascal"? Or "PDP-11 Assembly Language"? Pssst - have you got any room to store my two VIC-20 books??? On the other side of the room is my "Hall of Fame" bookshelf. When a generation of books becomes useless I get rid of most, keeping a few that give me warm-fuzzies: "The C Programming Language" by K & R (Pre ANSI version) "Inside the IBM PC" by Norton, 2nd Ed. (Has a now funny description of the massive amounts of space in the 1MB address space) A couple 8086 assembly language books. (I did some really low level stuff in MSDOS 1.0) Two SNOBOL books. (How I miss that pattern-matching language!) Petzold's "Programming Windows 3.1" Just two texts from college. I wish I'd have kept the PDP-11 assembly language book. ;-) I used to be semi-decent at addition and subtraction in octal. -- Mark |
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How much weight can a wall support (mounting a cabinet on a wall)
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:10:08 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
wrote: On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:36:08 -0800, Rico wrote: What amazes me, Jon, is not that the shelf held 290 lbs, but that you, weighing 290 lbs, are able to do a couple of chin ups. I'm only 275 and anything involving lifting my body weight has been out of the question for years. Hey! I'm 250 and bicycle 4000 miles a year (on and off road), play roller hockey in the summer and ice hockey in the winter. I regularily leave mere 170 pounders in the dust on my bikes. It's a number... G You see me in profile and you'll realize it's a *big* number. I use 24" stud spacing because I don't fit between the 16" stuff any more. My wife is a good cook and broadly tolerant of my WW endeavors. Now she has me fattened up to where I can't get away. Last tool purchase discussion involved some statement like "Go ahead and get it, I know you'll make something for me with it." (insert own choice of tone). Life is good, but I'd love to be 6" smaller around the waist and about 50# lighter for the benefit of the bad knees. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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