We have oak kitchen cabinets that are stained to a medium dark color.
I would like to keep those but change the color to a bright birch-like
tone.
What I have tried is applying a refinishing solution (Minwax
refinisher) which removed the varnish and some grease. Next I added
two coats of AB bleach resulting in a pale whitish appearance- texture
looks bland but brightness is okay. Then to finish it I put on some
Minwax Rub-on-poly. This,however, seems to undo 80% of the bleach so I
end up with wood that's just a tiny bit lighter than what I started
out with. Before that I tried some other rub on finish which
completely undid the bleaching. How then can I get lighter wood that
looks nice and has a finish ?

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We have oak kitchen cabinets that are stained to a medium dark color.
I would like to keep those but change the color to a bright birch-like
tone.
What I have tried is applying a refinishing solution (Minwax
refinisher) which removed the varnish and some grease. Next I added
two coats of AB bleach resulting in a pale whitish appearance- texture
looks bland but brightness is okay. Then to finish it I put on some
Minwax Rub-on-poly. This,however, seems to undo 80% of the bleach so I
end up with wood that's just a tiny bit lighter than what I started
out with. Before that I tried some other rub on finish which
completely undid the bleaching. How then can I get lighter wood that
looks nice and has a finish ?

I am assuming your rub-on-poly is oil based. Waterbased will generally look
pretty much the same after as it did before; while oilbased will, depending
on the wood, darken it considerably.

How do you use Minwas refinisher? I have a post a few down from you about
stripping a black coating from bamboo...

On Aug 13, 1:25 pm, "Toller" wrote:
I am assuming your rub-on-poly is oil based. Waterbased will generally look
pretty much the same after as it did before; while oilbased will, depending
on the wood, darken it considerably.

Yes, it is oil-based. I used some water based polyurethane in a
previous project and had similar darkening happen. But I will give it
another go.

How do you use Minwas refinisher? I have a post a few down from you about
stripping a black coating from bamboo...

How did I use it ? According to the directions- I cleaned the wood,
then rubbed the finisher in with steelwool, followed by another round
of wiping it off with clean steelwool and a tack cloth.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:15:55 -0000, "
wrote:

We have oak kitchen cabinets that are stained to a medium dark color.
I would like to keep those but change the color to a bright birch-like
tone.
What I have tried is applying a refinishing solution (Minwax
refinisher) which removed the varnish and some grease. Next I added
two coats of AB bleach resulting in a pale whitish appearance- texture
looks bland but brightness is okay. Then to finish it I put on some
Minwax Rub-on-poly. This,however, seems to undo 80% of the bleach so I
end up with wood that's just a tiny bit lighter than what I started
out with. Before that I tried some other rub on finish which
completely undid the bleaching. How then can I get lighter wood that
looks nice and has a finish ?

Have you tried the Minwax Polycrylic?
On my can of Minwax Poly, in very fine print, it reads "Slight
ambering may be experienced when polyurethane is applied over
light-colored wood surfaces." Then is says "For light-colored wood
surfaces we recommend protecting with Minwax Polycrylic Protective
Finish."
I haven't tried it but it sounds like the Polycrylic may solve (or at
least lessen) the ambering that's normal with the poly. Of course
ambering might not be the problem if there is still some color
remaining in the cabinets.
At any rate, the Polycrylic might be worth a try.


Mike O.

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On Aug 13, 1:25 pm, "Toller" wrote:
I am assuming your rub-on-poly is oil based. Waterbased will generally
look
pretty much the same after as it did before; while oilbased will,
depending
on the wood, darken it considerably.

Yes, it is oil-based. I used some water based polyurethane in a
previous project and had similar darkening happen. But I will give it
another go.

How do you use Minwas refinisher? I have a post a few down from you
about
stripping a black coating from bamboo...

How did I use it ? According to the directions- I cleaned the wood,
then rubbed the finisher in with steelwool, followed by another round
of wiping it off with clean steelwool and a tack cloth.


ANY varnish, oil based or water based is going to darken the wood. Plain
WATER will darken wood. Sprinkle some water on and see. Typically oil
based varnishes will add an amber tint to the surface that you are covering.
Water based varnishes tend to not add the amber color but as you have
witnessed will darken the wood.
Better refined oil based varnishes will look clearer in the can and have
less of the amber tinting effect.

If you want the wood to stay light colored I suggest no stain and or perhaps
a pickled/milk paint finish and then be prepared for it to darken some what
with what ever finish you use, oil, water, or alcohol based.

Look for a better product than Miniwax. I recently used an oil based gel
varnish made by Lawrence McFadden. For an oil based varnish it does not
tint the wood as much as the lesser quality oil based varnishes.

wrote:
We have oak kitchen cabinets that are stained to a medium dark
color. I would like to keep those but change the color to a bright
birch-like tone.
What I have tried is applying a refinishing solution (Minwax
refinisher) which removed the varnish and some grease. Next I added
two coats of AB bleach resulting in a pale whitish appearance-
texture looks bland but brightness is okay. Then to finish it I put
on some Minwax Rub-on-poly. This,however, seems to undo 80% of the
bleach so I end up with wood that's just a tiny bit lighter than
what I started out with. Before that I tried some other rub on
finish which completely undid the bleaching. How then can I get
lighter wood that looks nice and has a finish ?

1. Take some light colored oil paint and thin it 50/50 with thinner.

2. Wipe the paint mixture onto the wood then immediately wipe off all
you can.

3. Top coat with whatever. Water based poly has no inherent color,
nor does lacquer.

Be sure to get the paint mix onto all of the wood...if you miss a spot
that area will be colored (darkened) by the top coat. The paint mix
keeps the wood light not by being a light color but by sealing the
wood and preventing it being wetted out by the top coat; not to worry,
the top coat will stick just fine.

The final wood color will be very similar to that of the raw wood;
however, the wood will darken some with time just as would the raw
wood.


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We have oak kitchen cabinets that are stained to a medium dark color.
I would like to keep those but change the color to a bright birch-like
tone.
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See the following link...

http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/SAL/Bleach.htm

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Wow- so many great suggestions.
Thank y'all !