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When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up,
what head is used now a days? I was reading a discussion here about buy this screw, don't trust that screw, but when following the links to the various manufacturers I keep seeing Torx heads come up (it was the "buy screw assortment packs" thread). Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. |
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As far as I see it, it looks like Square head is the new emerging type for
woodworking. Works great for me at least -- Regards, Dean Bielanowski Editor OnlineToolReviews.com http://www.onlinetoolreviews.com Over 150+ free tool reviews online! |
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Eigenvector wrote:
When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? ... Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... The choice otherwise is really pretty immaterial for the average _rec_ woodworker; the only real place it matters a whole lot is for automated, high volume applications. For those, square, torx and similar are preferred as they have less slip and lift out force than Phillips or even Robertson (the advantage of it wrt Phillips besides the licensing issues). That, of course, doesn't address the tampering issue, etc., that is also a major factor for commercial applications in many fields although probably somewhat less so for woodworking than other materials. Then, you're left w/ appearance. If it is in an area that is visible, nothing is as good looking imo as the Phillips. If it isn't, I'll normally choose square if all else is equal... Oh, head shape and application is another consideration, of course, although lesser to drive configuration, although some things aren't as readily available in alternate syles (bugle head seem mostly square drive, for example). One could go on almost indefinitely w/ more and more minutiae! In the end, choose what you like and go...again, unless you're in a production environment it will really make virtually no difference in all likelihood which you choose once you give up the old slotted... -- |
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"xcz" wrote in message u... As far as I see it, it looks like Square head is the new emerging type for woodworking. Works great for me at least -- Regards, Dean Bielanowski Yeah I guess I'm not a big fan of phillips or slotted, too many strip outs. Of course quality work matters there a lot, but it sure is nice to have a screw head that grips tight and won't slip out. Square head does seem like a champ, have it on all my electrical breakers, but torx is nice too. I'd just hope they don't do that stupid metric/imperial measuring system making me buy twice as many tools. |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... Eigenvector wrote: When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? ... Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... The choice otherwise is really pretty immaterial for the average _rec_ woodworker; the only real place it matters a whole lot is for automated, high volume applications. For those, square, torx and similar are preferred as they have less slip and lift out force than Phillips or even Robertson (the advantage of it wrt Phillips besides the licensing issues). That, of course, doesn't address the tampering issue, etc., that is also a major factor for commercial applications in many fields although probably somewhat less so for woodworking than other materials. Then, you're left w/ appearance. If it is in an area that is visible, nothing is as good looking imo as the Phillips. If it isn't, I'll normally choose square if all else is equal... Oh, head shape and application is another consideration, of course, although lesser to drive configuration, although some things aren't as readily available in alternate syles (bugle head seem mostly square drive, for example). One could go on almost indefinitely w/ more and more minutiae! In the end, choose what you like and go...again, unless you're in a production environment it will really make virtually no difference in all likelihood which you choose once you give up the old slotted... -- I don't really believe that. The nominal advantage of torx or square over phillips/slotted is in the way its manufactured. Torx head and Square have to be stamped or cast within reasonable tolerances, whereas slotted and phillips can be quite a bit more sloppy - especially with respect to screwdriver bit size. You aren't going to put a T20 screw in with a T15 bit, but you can usually manage to put in a large phillips head in with a small phillips - the end result being that the smaller screwdriver bit will slip and tear up the screwhead. Again, the quality of the screw makes a big difference, as well as the knowledge of the user. That's one reason why I prefer the square and torx, I have to pay attention to the size or I won't get the job done - the phillips lets me be sloppy and lazy. I honestly don't have any idea what sizes of phillips are available, but there are sizes God knows what though. |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in message ... When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? I was reading a discussion here about buy this screw, don't trust that screw, but when following the links to the various manufacturers I keep seeing Torx heads come up (it was the "buy screw assortment packs" thread). Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. The short answer is "it depends" on where and why you are using the screws. If you are making period furniture steel slotted screws would be most appropriate... I saw a chest on chest recently that looked pretty good from a distance. However, when I got close and looked at the construction details, including the back and sides, I saw Torx and square drive screw heads... completely ruined the piece in my view! Brass slot head screws always look better to me on cast brass hinges. On the other hand, if you are screwing the top to the apron of a table with pocket screws, Torx or square drive are fine. John |
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Eigenvector wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... Eigenvector wrote: When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? ... Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... The choice otherwise is really pretty immaterial for the average _rec_ woodworker; the only real place it matters a whole lot is for automated, high volume applications. For those, square, torx and similar are preferred as they have less slip and lift out force than Phillips or even Robertson (the advantage of it wrt Phillips besides the licensing issues). That, of course, doesn't address the tampering issue, etc., that is also a major factor for commercial applications in many fields although probably somewhat less so for woodworking than other materials. Then, you're left w/ appearance. If it is in an area that is visible, nothing is as good looking imo as the Phillips. If it isn't, I'll normally choose square if all else is equal... Oh, head shape and application is another consideration, of course, although lesser to drive configuration, although some things aren't as readily available in alternate syles (bugle head seem mostly square drive, for example). One could go on almost indefinitely w/ more and more minutiae! In the end, choose what you like and go...again, unless you're in a production environment it will really make virtually no difference in all likelihood which you choose once you give up the old slotted... -- I don't really believe that. What is "that"? The nominal advantage of torx or square over phillips/slotted is in the way its manufactured. Torx head and Square have to be stamped or cast within reasonable tolerances, whereas slotted and phillips can be quite a bit more sloppy - especially with respect to screwdriver bit size. Not really, except for the slotted. Phillips are manufactured to pretty close tolerances, too (discounting really cheap imports). The thing is they were developed initially for automated drive systems and there is significant literature/engineering on the subject although I don't care to start in on significant research again, I have looked at it some in the past. .... ...you can usually manage to put in a large phillips head in with a small phillips - the end result being that the smaller screwdriver bit will slip and tear up the screwhead. Well, DOH!!! What's the point? You can hammer a larger flat blade into a smaller straight slot screw head and tear it up, too. I would assume the point in a piece of woodworking is to put the fastener in to hold the piece and have it look presentable, _too_. If we're hanging drywall, that's something entirely different. .... ...what sizes of phillips are available, ... 0 thru 3 are about all you're going to find at all commonly... All in all, I don't know your point/beef -- you asked for an opinion, I gave mine and some background as to why/what... -- |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... Then, you're left w/ appearance. If it is in an area that is visible, nothing is as good looking imo as the Phillips. Brass slotted head with all the slots in the same direction looks very nice on the right application, such as a boat. Even brass hinges with two or three screws loot better with properly oriented slotted heads, IMO. It certainly shows that the builder truly cared about his work. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ... Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... Then, you're left w/ appearance. If it is in an area that is visible, nothing is as good looking imo as the Phillips. Brass slotted head with all the slots in the same direction looks very nice on the right application, such as a boat. Even brass hinges with two or three screws loot better with properly oriented slotted heads, IMO. It certainly shows that the builder truly cared about his work. Definitely, but I'd prefer the Phillips over the slotted still in almost all applications I think... I really like the oval-head w/ the appropriate hardware and right countersink size... -- |
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I'm a big square-drive fan.
Reason 1: Virtually no camout Reason 2: Virtually no camout means that the head is not damaged and screws for temporary assemblies can be recycled. (economy) Reason 3: No damage looks better on premanent assemblies. Reason 4: I can "mount" a screw on a driver and it will stick there even pointing down (ease of use). Regarding head shape, I try to use washer-heads (like pocket hole screws) when appearance is not a concern and being flush to the surface is not required. A traditional flat head delivers a wedging force which can cause splitting. I tend to use these quite a bit because, if appearance counts, I usually will find another way to fasten two boards (like glue). -Steve "Eigenvector" wrote in message ... When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? I was reading a discussion here about buy this screw, don't trust that screw, but when following the links to the various manufacturers I keep seeing Torx heads come up (it was the "buy screw assortment packs" thread). Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in message ... When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? I was reading a discussion here about buy this screw, don't trust that screw, but when following the links to the various manufacturers I keep seeing Torx heads come up (it was the "buy screw assortment packs" thread). Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Torx "is not" new. The automotive industry started using the Torx fasteners over 30 years ago. Torx is better than straight and Phillips but for the average wood worker it is probably equal to the square drive. Given the fact that square drive is becoming more common place and you have to hunt for Torx, I'd say the square drive would be the way to go. |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:04:19 -0500, dpb wrote:
Eigenvector wrote: When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? ... Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... The choice otherwise is really pretty immaterial for the average _rec_ woodworker; the only real place it matters a whole lot is for automated, high volume applications. For those, square, torx and similar are preferred as they have less slip and lift out force than Phillips or even Robertson (the advantage of it wrt Phillips besides the licensing issues). Are you distinguishing square drive from Robertson? Aren't they the same thing? - Ken |
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:08:51 -0700, "Eigenvector" wrote:
"xcz" wrote in message . au... As far as I see it, it looks like Square head is the new emerging type for woodworking. Works great for me at least -- Regards, Dean Bielanowski Yeah I guess I'm not a big fan of phillips or slotted, too many strip outs. Of course quality work matters there a lot, but it sure is nice to have a screw head that grips tight and won't slip out. Square head does seem like a champ, have it on all my electrical breakers, but torx is nice too. I'd just hope they don't do that stupid metric/imperial measuring system making me buy twice as many tools. The "combo" head seems popular now, fits both square and phillips... I find them handy for times when I'm just using a couple of screws and can drive them without changing whichever bit is in the drill.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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Ken McIsaac wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:04:19 -0500, dpb wrote: ... Are you distinguishing square drive from Robertson? Aren't they the same thing? I got them in the wrong sequence I see, yes... But, not, they're not _quite_ the same. The taper is slightly different... -- |
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Robertson is a patented version from Canada. They wanted lots o' bucks
for licensing fees so everybody else just makes perfect squares where true robertson have an angled (or drafted) sides. Everybody else just punches a square hole with straight sides and adds a small amount of draft to the driver. So the Robertsons will grab just a fraction better. For original poster, just go to McFeely web site and read all you need to know about screws. On Jul 12, 9:31 am, Ken McIsaac wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:04:19 -0500, dpb wrote: Eigenvector wrote: When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? ... Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... The choice otherwise is really pretty immaterial for the average _rec_ woodworker; the only real place it matters a whole lot is for automated, high volume applications. For those, square, torx and similar are preferred as they have less slip and lift out force than Phillips or even Robertson (the advantage of it wrt Phillips besides the licensing issues). Are you distinguishing square drive from Robertson? Aren't they the same thing? - Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ups.com... Robertson is a patented version from Canada. They wanted lots o' bucks for licensing fees so everybody else just makes perfect squares where true robertson have an angled (or drafted) sides. Everybody else just punches a square hole with straight sides and adds a small amount of draft to the driver. So the Robertsons will grab just a fraction better. For original poster, just go to McFeely web site and read all you need to know about screws. Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. On Jul 12, 9:31 am, Ken McIsaac wrote: On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:04:19 -0500, dpb wrote: Eigenvector wrote: When working with wood projects and the need for a screw fastener comes up, what head is used now a days? ... Are torx head screws replacing phillips as the screw head of choice or are there clear advantages to ANY kind of screw head? This is for wood, I'm not worried about metal, or plastic, or something else. I don't really want to start a flame war either, just curious. It wouldn't bother me if torx did replace phillips but there has to be some sort of convention forming, there can't be that many reasons to choose slotted over phillips over torx over square. Little to choose slotted for anything other than -- well, I can't think of any reason, really... The choice otherwise is really pretty immaterial for the average _rec_ woodworker; the only real place it matters a whole lot is for automated, high volume applications. For those, square, torx and similar are preferred as they have less slip and lift out force than Phillips or even Robertson (the advantage of it wrt Phillips besides the licensing issues). Are you distinguishing square drive from Robertson? Aren't they the same thing? - Ken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:08:51 -0700, "Eigenvector" wrote: "xcz" wrote in message .au... As far as I see it, it looks like Square head is the new emerging type for woodworking. Works great for me at least -- Regards, Dean Bielanowski Yeah I guess I'm not a big fan of phillips or slotted, too many strip outs. Of course quality work matters there a lot, but it sure is nice to have a screw head that grips tight and won't slip out. Square head does seem like a champ, have it on all my electrical breakers, but torx is nice too. I'd just hope they don't do that stupid metric/imperial measuring system making me buy twice as many tools. The "combo" head seems popular now, fits both square and phillips... I find them handy for times when I'm just using a couple of screws and can drive them without changing whichever bit is in the drill.. mac I took a look at those and wondered just how strong the phillips portion would be with most of the center missing. I have square head drives galore, so its no problem going for the best. Actually some 10 dollar screwdriver set I picked up for work turned out to be the best purchase I've made in a while. It has a full set of square and torx in both long and short bits. |
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In article , "Eigenvector" wrote:
I took a look at those and wondered just how strong the phillips portion would be with most of the center missing. Doesn't seem to matter much. Most of the torque gets applied at the circumference anyway, and not in the center. I've never noticed any more problems using a Philips driver on the combo screws than on Philips screws. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Eigenvector wrote:
Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. Smart move. SFWIW, I standardized on S/S years ago. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message nk.net... Eigenvector wrote: Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. Smart move. SFWIW, I standardized on S/S years ago. Lew So how does an operation like McFeely's work? Do they make their own screws or resale them from another vendor? One reason for going to a place like that is to avoid the imports, but I don't want to trade one cheap screw for another? |
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Eigenvector wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message nk.net... Eigenvector wrote: Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. Smart move. SFWIW, I standardized on S/S years ago. Lew So how does an operation like McFeely's work? ... They're an industrial distributorship that went online primarily for the nonprofessional... The redistribute the same products mail order and internet sales they sell locally, just typically in smaller quantities... -- |
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"dpb" wrote in message ... Eigenvector wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message nk.net... Eigenvector wrote: Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. Smart move. SFWIW, I standardized on S/S years ago. Lew So how does an operation like McFeely's work? ... They're an industrial distributorship that went online primarily for the nonprofessional... The redistribute the same products mail order and internet sales they sell locally, just typically in smaller quantities... -- So looking closer at their selection, it would seem that all the McFeely's screws are made in either Taiwan or China. I changed my mind, buying from them would be no better than buying from the Borg. I'm not that enamored with square head drives. |
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Eigenvector wrote:
One reason for going to a place like that is to avoid the imports, but I don't want to trade one cheap screw for another? Forget US made fasteners, they don't exist any more except for possibly some specialty items. At one time, Cleveland, OH was the fastener manufacturing capital of the world. One by one, they all shut down and moved off shore, starting in the mid 70's. If you want quality, stay away from the borgs and people who try to sell their goods at too good a price. Never forget, everybody has to get to the feed trough. Lew |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in
: snip So looking closer at their selection, it would seem that all the McFeely's screws are made in either Taiwan or China. I changed my mind, buying from them would be no better than buying from the Borg. I'm not that enamored with square head drives. Wrong. McFeeley's stuff is industrial grade, rather than run of the prison camp crap. That it's made in Asia is incidental. I'm just a small scale hobby user. One who has spent a couple hunnert with Jim, and feels it's worth it. YMMV. But it's not Borg junk. Patriarch |
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In article , "Eigenvector" wrote:
So looking closer at their selection, it would seem that all the McFeely's screws are made in either Taiwan or China. I changed my mind, buying from them would be no better than buying from the Borg. I'm not that enamored with square head drives. Two things: first, McFeely's screws are definitely *much* better than buying from the Borg. I've been using McFeely's pretty much exclusively for about five years now, for all manner of projects. I've snapped exactly one screw, and buggered the heads on maybe two or three, in dozens and dozens of boxes. Second, there is a world of difference between Taiwan and China. Taiwan has an elected government and a free-market economy; China is a communist dictatorship with a centrally planned economy. The profit motive works wonders in improving product quality, when consumers have a choice. I prefer to buy products made in the U.S. when they're available (and if I can afford them), but when they're not, I have no hesitation at buying those made in Taiwan. Sure, the quality often isn't as high as U.S. or Canadian manufacture (among others), but it's light-years ahead of most of the garbage that comes out of China. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:10:32 -0700, "Eigenvector" wrote:
The "combo" head seems popular now, fits both square and phillips... I find them handy for times when I'm just using a couple of screws and can drive them without changing whichever bit is in the drill.. mac I took a look at those and wondered just how strong the phillips portion would be with most of the center missing. I have square head drives galore, so its no problem going for the best. Actually some 10 dollar screwdriver set I picked up for work turned out to be the best purchase I've made in a while. It has a full set of square and torx in both long and short bits. I've been buying them for 2 or 3 years and don't seem to have any more slipping/rounding than with a "normal" #2 Phillips screw... They're just convenient for me and readily available... mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:07:48 -0700, "Eigenvector" wrote:
Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. Don't throw 'em away... If your shop attracts friends and neighbors like mine does, save the borg stuff for folks that are doing some fence patch job and want a handful of screws.. The borg stuff will work fine for them and you don't have to give the (relatively) expensive screws away to folks that don't need that quality.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:16:25 -0700, "Eigenvector" wrote:
So looking closer at their selection, it would seem that all the McFeely's screws are made in either Taiwan or China. So are most of my USA brand tools... Including my TS and 2 lathes.. Where it's made is not nearly as important as how well it's made... It's sort of like saying that cars are crappy because they're made in/by Japan... mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in message So looking closer at their selection, it would seem that all the McFeely's screws are made in either Taiwan or China. I changed my mind, buying from them would be no better than buying from the Borg. I'm not that enamored with square head drives. There is a huge difference between McFeely's and the borgs. Don't let the country of origin be the deciding factor, they are capable of making quality fasteners as well as cheap stuff. McFeely's buys the good stuff and the rest is shipped to the big box stores. Buy a few and see for yourself. Experience the square head also and you will find it really is better. |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in message . .. "mac davis" wrote in message ... I took a look at those and wondered just how strong the phillips portion would be with most of the center missing. I have square head drives galore, so its no problem going for the best. Actually some 10 dollar screwdriver set I picked up for work turned out to be the best purchase I've made in a while. It has a full set of square and torx in both long and short bits. The combo screws have been around for a very long time, IIRC at least 10-12 +years. I have never had a problem with them and since most screws are typically a one use type fastener they are not likely to wear out from use. Given that however the part that usually wears out from slipping on a Philips head screw is the center of the +. This portion is missing on the combo screws so the likely hood of caming out or damaging the combo is less. |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in message . .. "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message nk.net... Eigenvector wrote: Yeah I've already done that. Already thinking about putting an order in and ditching those cheapies I picked up at the Borgs. Smart move. SFWIW, I standardized on S/S years ago. Lew So how does an operation like McFeely's work? Do they make their own screws or resale them from another vendor? One reason for going to a place like that is to avoid the imports, but I don't want to trade one cheap screw for another? McFeeley screws does not manufacture screws. They buy and package and sell. At various times as noted in their catalog some screws are imported. Imported is just fine as long as the quality remains high. I doubt McFeeleys would sell a "wood" screw that is less than desirable. |
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"Eigenvector" wrote in message . .. -- So looking closer at their selection, it would seem that all the McFeely's screws are made in either Taiwan or China. I changed my mind, buying from them would be no better than buying from the Borg. I'm not that enamored with square head drives. .. Assuming that McFeeleys screws would be in the same class as the Borg screws would be an ignorant assumption. Don't let your lack of experience and knowledge of square drive screws and the quality of McFeeleys screws steer you to a more expensive and possibly lesser quality screw. I have never had a problem with their wood screws and I seriously doubt that you will either. If you have problems I am sure that they will stand behind them. |
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