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sweet sawdust July 6th 07 08:05 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 
For those of you who were laughing and having strokes over my Hazard
Mitigation posts, here is how one incident went down:

Plan written about a year ago, tested with exercise, rewritten, everything
perfect. Scene was at a public park boat docking facility. Boat one was
transferring diesel from main fueling tank to tank on boat using an
automatic transfer pump, plan says to stay with boat when refueling (sign
posted on tank). He leaves to go get a sandwich or something, pump does not
shut off, 150 gal of fuel in water at boat dock ( at about $5 a gal). 911
call made, onsite responders start response, main responders show up. Booms
put out spill contained, evacuation of other boats at dock started, everyone
taken to new location as per plan, perfect. Cleanup crew arrives and starts
to clean up spill, one boat owner dumps about a gallon of Dawn in to water
to keep oil off boat before he leaves, dredges brought in to take care of
oil at bottom of lake, everything under control. Boat two was out in lake
and decided to go to dock to pick up something, comes to booms and unhooks
them to get to dock allowing spill to drain out into main current of lake.
New booms deployed to contain new spill, boat two owner detained and told
he was to be charged with cost of recovery for all oil past original spill.
Time to contain original spill 3 hours, time to contain second spill 3
additional hours. cost $10,000 per hour + equipment. Government will pay
big part of tab for boat one and none for boat two. Mistakes made, allowing
untrained humans to have anything to do with any mildly hazardous material
or any equipment with moving parts. Not following plan and leaving pump
running and not having security in water outside of boom area. Immediately
after this event ended, report of liquid Pig Manure being sprayed on cars
driving along the interstate. Response made and problem resolved. Have
never written a plan for that or even considered it before.

So no matter how hard I work to write a plan or how perfect it is, some one
will do something to make it worthless, Thought you might enjoy the story
Leon.

Wood connection: dock was made of wood



J T July 6th 07 09:28 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 
Fri, Jul 6, 2007, 2:05pm (EDT-1)
(sweet*sawdust) doth burble:
snip Plan written about a year ago, tested with exercise, rewritten,
everything perfect. snip

Dream on.. I spent over 5.5 years helping to develop, and writing,
emergency action plans. It tkakes a lot more than that for someting
that'll work out - unless it's something very simple.

I missed the point ofthe boat story.



JOAT
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
them.
- Picasso


Curran Copeland July 6th 07 09:38 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 

"J T" wrote in message
...
Fri, Jul 6, 2007, 2:05pm (EDT-1)
(sweet sawdust) doth burble:
snip Plan written about a year ago, tested with exercise, rewritten,
everything perfect. snip

Dream on.. I spent over 5.5 years helping to develop, and writing,
emergency action plans. It tkakes a lot more than that for someting
that'll work out - unless it's something very simple.

I missed the point ofthe boat story.



JOAT
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
them.
- Picasso

Just the latest event to take place.



Leon July 6th 07 09:46 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 

"sweet sawdust" wrote in message
...
For those of you who were laughing and having strokes over my Hazard
Mitigation posts, here is how one incident went down:

Plan written about a year ago, tested with exercise, rewritten, everything
perfect. Scene was at a public park boat docking facility. Boat one was
transferring diesel from main fueling tank to tank on boat using an
automatic transfer pump, plan says to stay with boat when refueling (sign
posted on tank). He leaves to go get a sandwich or something, pump does
not shut off, 150 gal of fuel in water at boat dock ( at about $5 a gal).
911 call made, onsite responders start response, main responders show up.
Booms put out spill contained, evacuation of other boats at dock started,
everyone taken to new location as per plan, perfect. Cleanup crew arrives
and starts to clean up spill, one boat owner dumps about a gallon of Dawn
in to water to keep oil off boat before he leaves, dredges brought in to
take care of oil at bottom of lake, everything under control. Boat two
was out in lake and decided to go to dock to pick up something, comes to
booms and unhooks them to get to dock allowing spill to drain out into
main current of lake. New booms deployed to contain new spill, boat two
owner detained and told he was to be charged with cost of recovery for
all oil past original spill. Time to contain original spill 3 hours, time
to contain second spill 3 additional hours. cost $10,000 per hour +
equipment. Government will pay big part of tab for boat one and none for
boat two. Mistakes made, allowing untrained humans to have anything to do
with any mildly hazardous material or any equipment with moving parts.
Not following plan and leaving pump running and not having security in
water outside of boom area. Immediately after this event ended, report of
liquid Pig Manure being sprayed on cars driving along the interstate.
Response made and problem resolved. Have never written a plan for that or
even considered it before.

So no matter how hard I work to write a plan or how perfect it is, some
one will do something to make it worthless, Thought you might enjoy the
story Leon.

Wood connection: dock was made of wood


It was a good story. Rules for staying with the boat could have made things
worse had he stayed in the boat. slipped, fell, and knocked himself out
because the fuel nozzle did not shut off. Leaving the boat did not cause
mother nature to kinck in and spill fuel.

I guess that the fuel nozzle should be over hauled and double checked by 2
separate people before each refueling. ;~)




sweet sawdust July 6th 07 10:08 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"sweet sawdust" wrote in message
...
For those of you who were laughing and having strokes over my Hazard
Mitigation posts, here is how one incident went down:

Plan written about a year ago, tested with exercise, rewritten,
everything perfect. Scene was at a public park boat docking facility.
Boat one was transferring diesel from main fueling tank to tank on boat
using an automatic transfer pump, plan says to stay with boat when
refueling (sign posted on tank). He leaves to go get a sandwich or
something, pump does not shut off, 150 gal of fuel in water at boat dock
( at about $5 a gal). 911 call made, onsite responders start response,
main responders show up. Booms put out spill contained, evacuation of
other boats at dock started, everyone taken to new location as per plan,
perfect. Cleanup crew arrives and starts to clean up spill, one boat
owner dumps about a gallon of Dawn in to water to keep oil off boat
before he leaves, dredges brought in to take care of oil at bottom of
lake, everything under control. Boat two was out in lake and decided to
go to dock to pick up something, comes to booms and unhooks them to get
to dock allowing spill to drain out into main current of lake. New booms
deployed to contain new spill, boat two owner detained and told he was
to be charged with cost of recovery for all oil past original spill. Time
to contain original spill 3 hours, time to contain second spill 3
additional hours. cost $10,000 per hour + equipment. Government will pay
big part of tab for boat one and none for boat two. Mistakes made,
allowing untrained humans to have anything to do with any mildly
hazardous material or any equipment with moving parts. Not following plan
and leaving pump running and not having security in water outside of boom
area. Immediately after this event ended, report of liquid Pig Manure
being sprayed on cars driving along the interstate. Response made and
problem resolved. Have never written a plan for that or even considered
it before.

So no matter how hard I work to write a plan or how perfect it is, some
one will do something to make it worthless, Thought you might enjoy the
story Leon.

Wood connection: dock was made of wood


It was a good story. Rules for staying with the boat could have made
things worse had he stayed in the boat. slipped, fell, and knocked himself
out because the fuel nozzle did not shut off.


Not worse just an EMS run and he would be charged more for the spill.

Leaving the boat did not cause
mother nature to kinck in and spill fuel.

I guess that the fuel nozzle should be over hauled and double checked by 2
separate people before each refueling. ;~)


I will add that to the revised plan, something else for them to ignore.






Leon July 6th 07 10:28 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 

"sweet sawdust" wrote in message
...

Not worse just an EMS run and he would be charged more for the spill.


I did not want to get graphic but perhaps he bleed to deeth.






Lew Hodgett July 6th 07 10:54 PM

OT very OT Mitigation Problem
 
Curran Copeland wrote:


I missed the point ofthe boat story.



Simple:

Before they had you the keys to a stink boat, you have to be certified
brain dead.

If Darwin mechanisms only didn't take so long.

Lew


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