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Corner of My Mind wrote:
alexy wrote: Fundamentals of woodworking sounds like a good into course, although heavily power tool oriented. I didn't see a "Fundamentals of Woodworking" course in the ones offered by the local store. That would be good class though. Pompano Beach June 2-3 -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. |
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If I had to pick one, I would do the Table saw. Then the router class I agree with the table saw. I probably use it more than any other power tool in the shop. But, you can do woodworking for a lifetime and not use a table saw at all. Interesting paradox. A tool that is used most often but is not needed. Quality hand tools are a good investment as they can last a liftetime and many still prove useful after you buy power tools. The question is how does a newbie spot a quality tool if he doesn't know what to look for? Is there a brand that is known to only product quality tools? Just look for the most expensive of that tool available? |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:32:14 -0500, shawn
wrote: Corner of My Mind wrote: John Flatley wrote: The Woodcraft stores have a pretty good lineup of classes at reasonable prices. This seems like an excellent idea. Thanks. They have 22 classes taught at the nearest location. Of those, I'm guessing the following 3 would be most beneficial for a newbie like me: * "Woodturning 101 & 201" - 2 Days (15 hours total - lunches?) for $250 * "Tablesaws from A to Z" - 1 Day for $75 * "Learning the Router" - 1 Day (5.5 hours - lunch?) for $75 + materials So, for about $400 I can become a pro You might also check the Constantine's store in Ft. Lauderdale for classes and clubs. I didn't find any classes listed on their website (http://www.constantines.com/) but I'll drop by and get to know the place as well as Woodcraft store Good hunting and welcome aboard, Thank you. If I had to pick one, I would do the Table saw. Then the router class I agree with the table saw. I probably use it more than any other power tool in the shop. But, you can do woodworking for a lifetime and not use a table saw at all. I have two routers and these are useful and very versatile tools also. Quality hand tools are a good investment as they can last a liftetime and many still prove useful after you buy power tools. |
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:01:37 -0400, Corner of My Mind
wrote: alexy wrote: Corner of My Mind wrote: I'm hoping the initial upfront costs of buying tools and learning are soon recovered (and then some) by savings between building things versus buying them. I'm sure we've all used that rationalization. But don't kid yourself. You will not know when to use cheap materials and when to use better, so you will buy all good stuff and spend more on materials than a pro will. Or you will cut corners when you shouldn't, then have to throw away the bad materials and replace with good, spending more on materials than a pro will. Or you will screw up something and end up spending more on materials than a pro will. DAMHIKT!!! And often when making something, you will not be willing to accept the compromises that you find perfectly acceptable when buying a finished piece of furniture. I hadn't thought of those issues. Plus I'm hoping custom built built-ins look better than store bought shelves. That, to me, is a better reason for doing the work, if you need one other than enjoying it. I am a computer nerd and enjoy tinkering alone so I do imagine I would also enjoy woodworking also. My math abilities complement both programming and woodworking. |
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alexy wrote:
I didn't see a "Fundamentals of Woodworking" course in the ones offered by the local store. That would be good class though. Pompano Beach June 2-3 I must have been blind. It is right there on the top of the second page. I wonder if I didn't "detect" that it was there because of the background color being different for that class versus all the other ones. Thanks. |
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:57:49 -0400, Corner of My Mind
wrote: The question is how does a newbie spot a quality tool if he doesn't know what to look for? Is there a brand that is known to only product quality tools? Just look for the most expensive of that tool available? General rule of thumb, you get what you pay for a $99 tablesaw versus a $500 as far a portables. A good fence though can make a cheap saw better. Google can be a good help, you can find reviews and opinions of the tool in question. When getting ready to purchase find a dealer who will let you touch and use it prior to investing your money in the tool. Mark (sixoneeight) = 618 |
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Corner of My Mind wrote:
Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote: In this area, the local community college offers night classes in various locations, including several area high schools. The high schools themselves don't offer anything to adults... and damned little to the kids, but that's another story. I'll have to check locally to see if I'm lucky enough to be in a district that does offer high school adult education as a choice. I wasn't referring to high school adult education. I was referring to the local community college holding its classes in several locations... on the main campus, at five satellite campuses, and at three local high schools (for night classes only). The place to start is the local community college. These are college courses, not high school courses.... even if they're taught at one. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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Corner of My Mind wrote:
SWDeveloper wrote: If I had to pick one, I would do the Table saw. Then the router class I agree with the table saw. I probably use it more than any other power tool in the shop. But, you can do woodworking for a lifetime and not use a table saw at all. Interesting paradox. A tool that is used most often but is not needed. Yes, it does seem paradoxical, but my experience is the same as SWD's. I'll explain it this way: For 80% of the wood cutting I do (excluding hand-cut joinery), the table saw is the most convenient and does the best job. So it gets used the most. For the occasional crosscut of heavy/long/unwieldy boards, I will use the radial arm saw, but could do it on a table saw with outrigger supports. For resawing (cutting a board across its thickness dimension), I will use the bandsaw (the only way for wider boards, and the best way for all). For ripping thick or gnarly wood, for cuts in very small pieces of wood, or for curved cuts, I will use the bandsaw (safest for problem rips and cuts of small pieces). If I had to have only one stationary power saw, I'd choose the bandsaw, but I'd have to plane all the rip cuts I did to get as straight an edge as I would get off the table saw. Quality hand tools are a good investment as they can last a liftetime and many still prove useful after you buy power tools. The question is how does a newbie spot a quality tool if he doesn't know what to look for? That's where a class will help, as long as you keep in mind that a class in a Woodcraft store might not recommend, e.g., tools you can get off ebay g. Is there a brand that is known to only product quality tools? Sure. It's hard to go wrong with Veritas (direct from Lee Valley, and some lines, but not planes, distributed through other retail channels such as Woodcraft) or Lie-Nielsen (direct or retailers such as woodcraft). But in my opinion, they might be a little pricey--good value and worth the price if you will be using them, but maybe too much to spend before you see where your interests lie. Just look for the most expensive of that tool available? Of course, that works, but might not be the best approach. It's hard to go wrong with a Holtey (or Sauer & Steiner, or Marcou, or ....), but I don't think I would be able to appreciate its value. http://www.holteyplanes.com/ Of course, don't go purely by price, or you will find yourself getting collectibles rather than users: http://www.finetoolj.com/bas/home.html -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. |
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Corner of My Mind wrote:
Bill in Detroit wrote: I basically got nothing out of the class, which ended early. NO hands-on time. ALL show & tell. Overpriced by about $70.00. Oh...NO!!! That is _NOT_ what I wanted to hear!!! I was really leaning towards signing up and was actually going to drop by after work today to sign up and take a look around the store. Remember that Woodcraft is a franchise operation. Go to the store near you. Talk to them and find out what the class is like. If possible, talk to some customers who have taken the classes. All I can tell you is that Bills comment certainly doesn't apply to the Woodcraft I work for. I went to his web page to find out where he was, but couldn't (Bill, I kept getting "This can be managed under Documents - Site Documents in the admin control panel." on the contact and about us pages). Offhand, I can't think of a single class at our store that isn't hands on. In the turning, carving, scroll saw, woodburning, cabinet making, etc. classes the students each complete a project and take it home with them. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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Corner of My Mind wrote:
The question is how does a newbie spot a quality tool if he doesn't know what to look for?**Is*there*a*brand*that*is*known*to*only*produ ct quality tools?**Just*look*for*the*most*expensive*of*that*t ool*available? You've just sparked another holy war :-). For most woodworking tools, stay away from Sears. Even further away from Harbor Freight. For hand tools Lie-Neilson and Veritas are hard to beat, but Sorby has some decent chisels. For power tools, Powermatic, General, and Festool are hard to beat, But Porter-Cable, Jet, Bosch, and DeWalt aren't far behind. On the low end, Rikon does pretty well, at least we haven't had many complaints, and Ridgid has some nice stuff as well. Triton makes a good router and Incra has some nifty measuring tools. Note that these are my opinions and I'm sure I've left out some toolmakers with good products. Probably some that we carry :-). -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:57:49 -0400, Corner of My Mind
wrote: SWDeveloper wrote: If I had to pick one, I would do the Table saw. Then the router class I agree with the table saw. I probably use it more than any other power tool in the shop. But, you can do woodworking for a lifetime and not use a table saw at all. Interesting paradox. A tool that is used most often but is not needed. Yes. Something like a SWMBO. ;-) Quality hand tools are a good investment as they can last a liftetime and many still prove useful after you buy power tools. The question is how does a newbie spot a quality tool if he doesn't know what to look for? Is there a brand that is known to only product quality tools? Just look for the most expensive of that tool available? Brands are a good place to start. Where a tool is made says a lot when comparing woodworking tools. For example, a pair of shoes made in China is usually a good deal, but a tool made in China is questionable. I bought a grinder stand in China, but quality in a stand is usually not too important. There are tool reviews in magazines you can use as a guideline. If you get the chance to use tools of varying quality that will tell a lot. A cheap tool of low quality will perhaps cost more in the long run because you will have to replace it in the middle of a project--a very frustrating experience. Be careful what you buy at Harbor Frieght. Soon after woodworking for awhile you will soon realize the importance of sharpening tools and the skill to do it. |
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On Apr 4, 10:57 am, Corner of My Mind
wrote: Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup...been lurking for a week. I live in Broward County, Florida, US and am interested in picking up woodworking as a hobby and to do home improvements like built-ins or trim work. The time I have available are night and weekends. Last time I worked with wood was in high school (late 1980s) and I remember I wasn't very good. I'm trying to think of different options available for me to learn. * Reading: * This newgroup * Searching google * Books * Hands-on: * Community College Class? (I'll have to search and see if this is available in my area) * Volunteering for FREE with a local woodworking business. May not make sense since they are probably on open the same hours I'm at work. * Find a new friend? I don't know anyone in the area that does woodworking. (I wonder if there are any clubs in the area that people meet physically instead of online.) I really believe I would learn best by seeing someone do something, with me helping, and later doing it all by myself. Any other ideas? Who taught you? Your dad? friend? some other way? Thanks in advance for your feedback. I caught the bug only a year or so ago. Up until then I'd only ever done the usual basic fix-ups/repairs around the house kind of thing. I started with some small projects and worked my way up until I made built-in bookcases for my study. In addition to several key woodworking books as well as this newsgroup, I found the woodworking magazines to be extremely helpful - WOOD, Popular Woodworking, Fine Woodworking, Shop Notes, etc. Get a subscription to one, then buy the others in between as needed. I have a stack over a foot thick already. As others mentioned, the various TV woodworking shows (Woodworks, New Yankee Workshop) and your local library are good resources. Besides WW books, mine has several excellent tapes and DVDs on using the various power tools, finishing, etc. I'll second the opinion that this is really a solitary hobby - I doubt most experienced woodworkers would feel comfortable having someone hang around watching asking questions, and by the same token I think I'd find it awfully boring to be the one stuck sitting and just watching someone else. My grandfather was a cabinet maker, but he died soon after I was born; I have his toolbox and a few of his old tools. My dad is not at all a handyman, so I never had the benefit of early mentoring. I can't really say what got me interested - it just sort of hit me one day. I think I like the fact that you are forced to take your time. It's a very relaxing hobby in that sense - the one thing you get to do that you don't have to rush through (well, maybe one of two things!) |
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Corner of My Mind wrote:
Well...this is a completely opposite experience than Bill experienced when he took the router class. I wonder if the teaching technique is different based on the class or based on the store/teacher. Since I would be going to the pompano store also because it is the local one to me, this makes me feel a little better. I suspect that it is store / teacher specific and that is why I suggested nosing around before signing up. The Pompano store has had a good recommendation. Two year ago I'd have given my local store much the same recommendation as a former in-law was teaching many of the classes then. We don't keep in touch much and he seems to have moved on. Pity .... he actually knew what he was doing and how to present it. Bill -- http://nmwoodworks.com/cube --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000730-4, 04/05/2007 Tested on: 4/5/2007 1:58:56 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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"mjd" wrote in message
this is really a solitary hobby - I doubt most experienced woodworkers would feel comfortable having someone hang around watching asking questions, and by the same token I think I'd find it awfully boring to be the one stuck sitting and just watching someone else. Speak for yourself ... I thoroughly enjoy having someone in the shop, to either help, talk or work. My grandfather was a cabinet maker, One of my one was also, among other things. but he died soon after I was born; I have his toolbox and a few of his old tools. My dad is not at all a handyman, so I never had the benefit of early mentoring. I can't really say what got me interested - it just sort of hit me one day. I'm convinced that if you look back far enough, it's in the genes. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 2/20/07 |
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On Apr 5, 2:26 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"mjd" wrote in message this is really a solitary hobby - I doubt most experienced woodworkers would feel comfortable having someone hang around watching asking questions, and by the same token I think I'd find it awfully boring to be the one stuck sitting and just watching someone else. Speak for yourself ... I thoroughly enjoy having someone in the shop, to either help, talk or work. my bad - should've stuck with the YMMV rule instead of projecting others opinions. So far, for me at least, shop time is a nice break for some solitude, and that way nobody sees the pondering, head- scratching, and mistakes. Certainly if the OP finds someone experienced who would enjoy showing him the ropes, that would be very valuable. |
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Corner of My Mind wrote:
SWDeveloper wrote: If I had to pick one, I would do the Table saw. Then the router class I agree with the table saw. I probably use it more than any other power tool in the shop. But, you can do woodworking for a lifetime and not use a table saw at all. Interesting paradox. A tool that is used most often but is not needed. Quality hand tools are a good investment as they can last a liftetime and many still prove useful after you buy power tools. The question is how does a newbie spot a quality tool if he doesn't know what to look for? Is there a brand that is known to only product quality tools? Just look for the most expensive of that tool available? Oddly enough, in tools that are not designed for hand use, weight is a good indicator of quality. Even there, it can serve as one useful indicator. A heavier tool generally has more and thicker metal ... it's made to last longer. There is a good chance that bearings and such were chosen to complement that innate sturdiness. Lots and lots of folks will diss a Craftsman cast iron top table saw. But even more own and use them. It's not a cabinet saw by any means ... but they are available used for about $100-200 all the time. Some might take the tack that so many of them on the market is a clue that they are not worth much ... but Sears sold a TON of these saws - there are a jillion of them still in use. So they come on the market fairly often. People die, retire, lose interest or upgrade all the time. Rarely are they trying to sell their problem. The saws being sold are often decades old ... and still working just fine. I bought a model that was perhaps 15 years old for $150. I knocked some light rust off the top, aligned everything and popped on a new belt and I was in business. Eventually I plan to upgrade the rip fence ... but the saw is staying. I use a number of Harbor Freight tools ... as do many on this list. I have a jointer, planer, 14" bandsaw + riser kit, router, 2 lathes and a dust collector from them. As a newbie, that put a lot of capacity in my shop for $1,500. Here's a quote from Wikipedia: "Many of the Asian imports, such as machine tools, available from Harbor Freight are also imported and sold under different brand names by other United States tool distributors, usually at somewhat higher prices (sometimes justified as buying better quality control). Several of these products, such as the perennially available 7"x10" metal-cutting mini-lathe and the 4"x6" horizontal/vertical metal-cutting bandsaw, have achieved near-legendary status among metalworking hobbyists." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor_Freight_Tools The only purchase of that group I regret is the planer. The moving table design makes it hard to add an auxiliary table. It has NO provisions for dust collection but I was able to handle that with a pair of tin snips, a piece of Plexiglas and a universal dust collection port from either Rocklers or Woodcraft. But, these design flaws aside, it planes wood flat and parallel ... and that's what I bought it to do. My next planer will have a moving head / fixed table design. I got a cheapo drill press based on its quill travel and price point from an Ace hardware. In time, a shop built table more suited to woodwork was added adapted from plans published by Shop Notes (larger than, and bolted to, the original metalworking table, with excellent dust collection and ) and I will probably keep it until it fails completely before upgrading to a sturdier machine. Drill presses are not intended for precision work, so a SMALL amount of run-out is acceptable. It drills holes through wood and that's why I bought it. You may hear fanatics talk about sub .001" run-out on their quills; but let me make two points: 1) the quill doesn't cut anything ... the run-out needs to be measured at the drill point and 2) wood itself can't hold a tolerance of .001" and, AFAICT, never needs to. So the argument is moot. Probably 99% of the holes I drill actually benefit from being slightly oversize in order to allow bolt clearance or glue room. And the rest, like pre-drilled screw holes, don't matter. I have since replaced a wing of my table saw with a shop-built router table and a Milwaukee 8650 (?) router. I will be upgrading the lathe in the near future but all the turned work on my website was produced by http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=34706 primarily using these cutters: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47066 (Note that, due to its high minimum speed of 600 rpm, any extra capacity gained by turning its head cannot, IMHO, be safely used. I would NOT want an unbalanced 24" rough blank spinning at 600 rpm in the same room with me. Things are exciting enough with a 12" blank in the same condition and would be 4x worse at 24") Bill -- http://nmwoodworks.com/cube --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000730-4, 04/05/2007 Tested on: 4/5/2007 3:01:12 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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| Morris Dovey wrote: || mistake called for a "board stretcher" or an "unsaw" for recovery. | | How much do those specialized tools cost and what is a good brand | to buy? Board stretchers are generally made of a special alloy of Unobtanium, and if you need to ask the price, then you're disqualified forever as a purchaser. I don't know much about unsaws - I think you' probably have to ask this question in news:alt.trinaries.sorcery.woodworking. I recall hearing a rumor about mounting a sawblade backward and chanting "wasnu" as the stock is fed, but there is some danger of kickback (not the stock - the unsaw.) || When I backed up and forced myself to learn to use hand tools || first, I began paying attention to the grain and how different || woods responded to being cut. The most-used tool in my shop today || is a CNC router - but for those jobs in which I have any emotional || investment, I still pull out my chisel roll, a plane (or three), || and a scraper to clean up things my eyes can't see but my || fingertips tell me aren't quite right yet. || || When I moved back from hand to power tools I discovered that I'd || developed a better sense of what would "work", higher standards and || expectations, and an inclination to consider what I'd experienced || using hand tools before I fired up the power tool. | | Another vote for hand tools. I'm noticing a pattern. I like both powered and unpowered (and good software) tools. Using hand tools provides some useful preparation for using power tools well. The pattern /is/ there, but don't rush to a misinterpretation... (I cringe at the idea of ripping 150 lineal feet of ipe, for example, with even the best of hand saws) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
All I can tell you is that Bills comment certainly doesn't apply to the Woodcraft I work for. I went to his web page to find out where he was, but couldn't (Bill, I kept getting "This can be managed under Documents - Site Documents in the admin control panel." on the contact and about us pages). Offhand, I can't think of a single class at our store that isn't hands on. In the turning, carving, scroll saw, woodburning, cabinet making, etc. classes the students each complete a project and take it home with them. And I certainly didn't want to warn him off every Woodcraft class ... just to let him know that he needs to be an alert consumer. Thanks for the 'heads up' in re my web site. I hadn't noticed the "About Us" and the "Contact" links at the bottom of the shopping cart page. That will likely be fixed before you read this. Drop back to http://nmwoodworks.com and click on the "Legal Matters" button at the top of the page for the information you were seeking. The Canton store is the closest to me. For a router class, I had expected that there would be several routers, not just one with a half-dozen guys gathered around for a glimpse. I would not try to teach computers to six people if my computer was the only one in the room. -- http://nmwoodworks.com/cube --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000730-4, 04/05/2007 Tested on: 4/6/2007 3:40:32 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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DAGS for the rec.woodworking FAQ. The URL used to be posted
periodically but I seem to recall just the mini version has been posted recently. Might be helpful. On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:10:55 -0400, Corner of My Mind wrote: alexy wrote: Turning is a whole 'nuther game. Many of us woodwork for years without ever turning Yes, I realize that now after reading another post. My brain was thinking "woodworking" and not "woodturning" when I read that course name. Fundamentals of woodworking sounds like a good into course, although heavily power tool oriented. I didn't see a "Fundamentals of Woodworking" course in the ones offered by the local store. That would be good class though. Someone else mentioned hand tools. I agree with a caveat: if you don't learn to sharpen them properly, and get some instruction on use, you will probably frustrate yourself, and have a harder time creating okay results than you can with power tools. However, if you learn to use them well, you will be much better at reading wood, which will make you a better power tool woodworker. IMHO, you will do your best work eventually by using both power and hand tools effectively. Thanks. I'm going to seriously look into this progression of learning. |
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: *snip* For a router class, I had expected that there would be several routers, not just one with a half-dozen guys gathered around for a glimpse. I would not try to teach computers to six people if my computer was the only one in the room. I've had professors that would prefer to teach computers with only one computer in the room. They get nervous when they're talking about something and someone's busy looking up Regular Expressions for his Programming Languages course rather than the Java the prof is droneing on about. *innocent look* Of course, computers aren't very much like routers. One computer is basically the same as the other, while routers have different shapes and sizes and purposes. I'd expect to see a half dozen routers in a just "here's what's available" demonstration. Puckdropper -- Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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Morris Dovey wrote:
Corner of My Mind wrote: | Morris Dovey wrote: || mistake called for a "board stretcher" or an "unsaw" for recovery. | | How much do those specialized tools cost and what is a good brand | to buy? Board stretchers are generally made of a special alloy of Unobtanium, and if you need to ask the price, then you're disqualified forever as a purchaser. I don't know much about unsaws - I think you' probably have to ask this question in news:alt.trinaries.sorcery.woodworking. I recall hearing a rumor about mounting a sawblade backward and chanting "wasnu" as the stock is fed, but there is some danger of kickback (not the stock - the unsaw.) I heard they work best if primed with a piece of quarter sawn sapient pearwood. But my stash is too low to take a chance, just in case it reassembles all of the boards into a tree. Joe |
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"RonB" wrote:
However, I did take a class in Intro Cabinetmaking at the local university several years ago; and I consider it very benificial. The class was taught by a very demanding instructor and they provided an excellent textbook. The book is available today (30 years later) - "Cabinetmaking and Millwork - Feirer". My book is technically dated with regard to equipment, adhesives, etc. However, it is an excellent source of "how-to" that will never be obsolete. My version is over 900 pages. I have seen it, and a teaching guide, in Amazon during recent years. Expect to pay for it - it is a textbook. However Amazon usually have previous versions or used books at a good price. Feirer was one of the first woodworking books I got as well, though not for a class. I like it as a reference, and it is very thorough. However, it is more about the manufacturing side of woodworking than the craft side, so while the principles and resource info is valid, much of it is not applicable to the hobbyist. I'd suggest Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking from FWW as a better text for learning woodworking as most hobbyists do it. -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. |
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"Puckdropper" wrote in message
reenews.net... Of course, computers aren't very much like routers. One computer is basically the same as the other, while routers have different shapes and sizes and purposes. I'd expect to see a half dozen routers in a just "here's what's available" demonstration. *Ahem* Gotta disagree with you there. g My two plunge and two fixed-based routers do pretty much the same thing, spin a router bit. My five active PCs differ more in purpose, capability and use than my routers. Throw in my programmable PDA and three programmable calculators and the gap is even wider. Here's a photo of my "3 HP trim router" laptop and my "table mounted, hydraulic lift, laser aligned, water cooled, power fed, 4 HP router" desktop. ;-) http://www.markjerde.com/Photos/Mult...ev-Pixels.html -- Mark |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
SNIP I had a good high school shop experience. The teacher was a safety fanatic and forced all of us to identify and know every part of each tool before we could use them. We had to pass a written test for each tool. That kind of stuff stays with you for a lifetime. He was a part of the the first special forces in WW II. SNIP I require the same of every student in my classes. No student can use any power machine until he/she can draw the tool from memory, label the parts, and list the safety rules from the book. NO EXCEPTIONS! I was called in by this new,young and inexperienced guidance counselor. (I am in my 33rd year of teaching) She thought it was unfair that I required this of the special ed kids in my classes. I told her I would think about it. I returned to her office with a letter that I drafted stating that since she knew more than I did on the subject that her signature was proof that the student knew enough to use the tool safely, and if there was an accident that she would assume all legal and financial liability and that I would be held harmless (BTW, I knew that this letter was meaningless in any legal way. As she read the letter and I asked for her signature I saw her eyes get wide. I made my point, and she got off my case. Glen |
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On Apr 5, 9:06 am, Corner of My Mind wrote:
wrote: 1. Go to the public library and read the woodworking books. All of them. Read first to get you exposed to the tools and different methods of doing things. I like to write on the margins and highlight passages in books so I'll probably end of buying most books. Well, if I did get library books, I guess I could photocopy the interesting pages and then write on those. Read the books first to see if they are worth buying and highlighting. Most books repeat the same things. There are only so many ways to make mortises and tenons or rip boards or crosscut boards. After reading 3-4 books you will likely get tired of reading anymore. But press on anyway. 2. Best/only way to learn a hands on craft such as woodworking is to do it. With some basic knowledge and ideas gained from reading the books. Think of something you want to do, then read up on the specific task you want to do. Oh...I do that. I tend to research topics before doing them and one of the reasons I decided to subscribe to this newsgroup. 3. Decide if you have the tools to do the job. Buy, borrow the right tools to do the job. Or figure out an alternative way to do the job with the tools you have. May have to reread up on the topic. Is woodworking an expensive hobby in order to have a "complete" set of tools needed? What would be a good budget? $1000, $2000, $5000, other? I don't even want to suggest a budget. There is sort of a Catch 22 involved. The more skill you have, the fewer tools, the cheaper tools you need. Your skill compensates. Less skill, the more tools you need to insure your lines are cut straight. And the more you use the tools, the more skill you acquire so you don't really need as many tools. I think a table saw is very important. It will allow you to complete projects easier and faster than figuring out ways to do the job without a table saw. And completing projects is important when starting out because it gives you a sense of accomplishment. Table saws range from $100 to thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. Hard to say which is right for you. Read the various books that are aimed at the person starting in woodworking for a hobby. They suggest tools. Usually OK but affordable tools. You can look them up online to see what the budget suggested by the books is. 4. Do the job. Only way to learn a craft such as woodworking is by doing. Yes. I imagine so. I just wanted some direction first from a teacher so that I don't make a mistake I can't fix (like losing a finger). If you use common sense when working with tools, and proper safety gear, you usually have to work at injuring yourself. Not saying you can't easily cut your fingers off. But if you think about what you are doing, and use safety devices where appropriate, the chances are less. The books cover the basics of using tools correctly to minimize accidents. I've taken several classes. A few hands on where I used the tools and a few where I sat in the audience and watched a slide show or the woodworker do the task in front of the group. Hands on were the best. But even then you have to immediately follow up at home with the same task to really learn the task or you forget it too quickly after the teacher shows you how. Watching others do it is enjoyable, but without hands on experience or an immediate job to apply the technique to, there really isn't any learning. Learn woodworking by doing. After you learn some stuff on your own then maybe take a hands on class for something specific. Maybe reinforce what you learned on your own or to correct something you are not doing right now. But the class will really just build on what you already know. It won't get you started. Sort of like learning a little first so that you can then ask an expert more insightful questions. Yes. ok. |
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On Wednesday, April 4, 2007 at 10:57:42 AM UTC-4, Corner of My Mind wrote:
Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup...been lurking for a week. I live in Broward County, Florida, US and am interested in picking up woodworking as a hobby and to do home improvements like built-ins or trim work. The time I have available are night and weekends. Last time I worked with wood was in high school (late 1980s) and I remember I wasn't very good. I'm trying to think of different options available for me to learn. * Reading: * This newgroup * Searching google * Books * Hands-on: * Community College Class? (I'll have to search and see if this is available in my area) * Volunteering for FREE with a local woodworking business. May not make sense since they are probably on open the same hours I'm at work. * Find a new friend? I don't know anyone in the area that does woodworking. (I wonder if there are any clubs in the area that people meet physically instead of online.) I really believe I would learn best by seeing someone do something, with me helping, and later doing it all by myself. Any other ideas? Who taught you? Your dad? friend? some other way? Thanks in advance for your feedback. There is a new woodworking school in Southwest Ranches. www.southfloridawoodworkingschool.com |
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On Wednesday, April 4, 2007 at 6:58:31 PM UTC-4, Larry Blanchard wrote:
Corner of My Mind wrote: Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup...been lurking for a week. I live in Broward County, Florida, US and am interested in picking up woodworking as a hobby and to do home improvements like built-ins or trim work. The time I have available are night and weekends. Look and see if there's a Woodcraft store somewhere in the vicinity. I work at one (on the other side of the country) and we have various classes every weekend and on many weekdays and evenings. -- It's turtles, all the way down There is a new woodworking school in Southwest Ranches. www.southfloridawoodworkingschool.com |
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On Wednesday, April 4, 2007 at 11:47:20 AM UTC-4, Morris Dovey wrote:
Corner of My Mind wrote: | I live in Broward County, Florida, US and am interested in picking | up woodworking as a hobby and to do home improvements like | built-ins or trim work. The time I have available are night and | weekends. | | Last time I worked with wood was in high school (late 1980s) and I | remember I wasn't very good. | | I'm trying to think of different options available for me to learn. | * Reading: | * This newgroup This is a good place to ask questions. Many of the people posting have links to their web sites in their sigs, and you can find answers to questions you'd never think to ask by browsing them. Keep an eye on news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking to see what people are working on (or have just finished working on). There's a home repair newsgroup that might be helpful for some of what you're interested in. | * Searching google STFW is always a good idea. Sometimes an image search turns up what you might have difficulty finding with a site search. | * Books Of course. Browse your library as well as the web. | * Hands-on: | * Community College Class? (I'll have to search and see if this is | available in my area) Don't forget to check for high school adult ed programs. | * Volunteering for FREE with a local woodworking business. May | not make sense since they are probably on open the same hours I'm | at work. Somehow I suspect that you won't be received with much enthusiasm, BICBW. | * Find a new friend? I don't know anyone in the area | that does woodworking. (I wonder if there are any clubs in the | area that people meet physically instead of online.) Unless you already have too many friends, this is a great idea. Keep your ears peeled for the sound of woodworking equipment coming from garages in your neighborhood on Saturday afternoons. Avoid wasting peoples' time, but don't be bashful about asking if they'd be willing to answer future questions. | I really believe I would learn best by seeing someone do something, | with me helping, and later doing it all by myself. Ok - but don't be afraid to learn the safety rules for the tool 'something' takes and then giving it a try on your own. | Any other ideas? I found it helpful to learn to work with hand tools before I bought the power tool to do the job faster. It wastes less wood and perepares you to use the power tool more safely. | Who taught you? Your dad? friend? some other way? Mostly I learned by making mistakes - but that was before the advent of usenet and on-line sharing of experience and advice. There's a lot to be said for making mistakes and spending the time to figure out /why/ it was a mistake. Just don't make mistakes that cause bodily damage. HTH -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html There is a new woodworking school in Southwest Ranches. www.southfloridawoodworkingschool.com |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 08:52:11 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 10/9/2017 8:50 AM, wrote: There is a new woodworking school in Southwest Ranches. snip of url 10 year old post. But he gets to advertise his wood working classes three times. |
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:56:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Wednesday, April 4, 2007 at 11:47:20 AM UTC-4, Morris Dovey wrote: Corner of My Mind wrote: | I live in Broward County, Florida, US and am interested in picking | up woodworking as a hobby and to do home improvements like | built-ins or trim work. The time I have available are night and | weekends. | | Last time I worked with wood was in high school (late 1980s) and I | remember I wasn't very good. | | I'm trying to think of different options available for me to learn. | * Reading: | * This newgroup This is a good place to ask questions. Many of the people posting have links to their web sites in their sigs, and you can find answers to questions you'd never think to ask by browsing them. Keep an eye on news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking to see what people are working on (or have just finished working on). There's a home repair newsgroup that might be helpful for some of what you're interested in. | * Searching google STFW is always a good idea. Sometimes an image search turns up what you might have difficulty finding with a site search. | * Books Of course. Browse your library as well as the web. | * Hands-on: | * Community College Class? (I'll have to search and see if this is | available in my area) Don't forget to check for high school adult ed programs. | * Volunteering for FREE with a local woodworking business. May | not make sense since they are probably on open the same hours I'm | at work. Somehow I suspect that you won't be received with much enthusiasm, BICBW. | * Find a new friend? I don't know anyone in the area | that does woodworking. (I wonder if there are any clubs in the | area that people meet physically instead of online.) Unless you already have too many friends, this is a great idea. Keep your ears peeled for the sound of woodworking equipment coming from garages in your neighborhood on Saturday afternoons. Avoid wasting peoples' time, but don't be bashful about asking if they'd be willing to answer future questions. | I really believe I would learn best by seeing someone do something, | with me helping, and later doing it all by myself. Ok - but don't be afraid to learn the safety rules for the tool 'something' takes and then giving it a try on your own. | Any other ideas? I found it helpful to learn to work with hand tools before I bought the power tool to do the job faster. It wastes less wood and perepares you to use the power tool more safely. | Who taught you? Your dad? friend? some other way? Mostly I learned by making mistakes - but that was before the advent of usenet and on-line sharing of experience and advice. There's a lot to be said for making mistakes and spending the time to figure out /why/ it was a mistake. Just don't make mistakes that cause bodily damage. HTH -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html Now THERE is a name I have not seen in a while. I do miss his posts. His sawhorse plans are still up. He shared a lot of good info with the group. I have the pieces cut out for a pair of his sawhorses in my shop in Tennessee, but ran out of screws and time to assemble them before I had to come back to Houston. http://www.iedu.com/ww/ Regards, Roy |
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