If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure? Not as
fatuous as it sounds, actually. I had a friend who reckoned that the
less he spent on filler, the more skillful he was becoming at
woodworking. OTOH another friend of mine had a cabinet full of
different types and colors. His philosophy was that getting close and
then tuning up with filler was entirely legitimate and, in fact, part
of the woodworker's craft. As long as it's well filled, the look
achievd is the important thing. (BTW I am including sawdust mixed
with glue in the definition of "filler".) Personally, I'll use a
little as long as it isn't noticeable.

FoggyTown

And then there's the dutchman. The filler that's can be considers "a
feature".


"FoggyTown" wrote in message
oups.com...
If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure? Not as
fatuous as it sounds, actually. I had a friend who reckoned that the
less he spent on filler, the more skillful he was becoming at
woodworking. OTOH another friend of mine had a cabinet full of
different types and colors. His philosophy was that getting close and
then tuning up with filler was entirely legitimate and, in fact, part
of the woodworker's craft. As long as it's well filled, the look
achievd is the important thing. (BTW I am including sawdust mixed
with glue in the definition of "filler".) Personally, I'll use a
little as long as it isn't noticeable.

FoggyTown




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"FoggyTown" wrote in message
oups.com...
If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure? Not as
fatuous as it sounds, actually. I had a friend who reckoned that the
less he spent on filler, the more skillful he was becoming at
woodworking. OTOH another friend of mine had a cabinet full of
different types and colors. His philosophy was that getting close and
then tuning up with filler was entirely legitimate and, in fact, part
of the woodworker's craft. As long as it's well filled, the look
achievd is the important thing. (BTW I am including sawdust mixed
with glue in the definition of "filler".) Personally, I'll use a
little as long as it isn't noticeable.

FoggyTown


This is the equivalent of using caulking to fill in the gaps in joints when
doing trimwork.

FoggyTown wrote:
If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure?

Depends... Is your goal to have fun making functional furniture, or to
make flawlessly beautiful furniture without any filler?
In my opinion, one of the main problems with filler is when it's used
to fill in a gap in a joint or a crack, and then when the wood moves,
it leaves a ragged crack in the filler that I find distasteful. Not
that my joints are perfect, but I'd rather fill gaps with a sliver of
veneer or something if possible. Of course using filler to cover up
your brad nails because you're taking shortcuts is a different matter
- but again, that gets back to your goals for woodworking.

If the spot to be filled is not visible, and not structural, why fill
it at all? If it's only slightly visible, I don't see (no pun
intended) a problem with a little bit of filler. If it's a structural
gap that needs filling, say, in an important joint, I'd try to either
glue in real wood (i.e. a toothpick, veneer, small wedge, etc.) or use
epoxy with wood dust or something else that's really solid (NOT
gorilla glue, even though that foams up and appears to fill gaps).

Well, that's my 2 cents...
Andy

efgh wrote:


This is the equivalent of using caulking to fill in the gaps in joints when
doing trimwork.



Doesn't everybody do that? :-)

I agree that the better the craftsmanship, the less the need for filler.
However, if you're still learning, and/or you can't afford the highest
quality, most accurate tools, a judicious use of filler sure can cover
up a multitude of sins.

On Feb 27, 1:47 pm, "Charlie M. 1958"
wrote:
efgh wrote:

This is the equivalent of using caulking to fill in the gaps in joints when
doing trimwork.

Doesn't everybody do that? :-)

I agree that the better the craftsmanship, the less the need for filler.
However, if you're still learning, and/or you can't afford the highest
quality, most accurate tools, a judicious use of filler sure can cover
up a multitude of sins.

Filler? Caulking?....meh... painters' job

On Feb 27, 2:13 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Stephen M" wrote in message
And then there's the dutchman. The filler that's can be considers "a
feature".

AKA "fake boobs".

Fake boobs feel cold to the touch.....errrmm... so I'm told.

"Stephen M" wrote in message

And then there's the dutchman. The filler that's can be considers "a
feature".

AKA "fake boobs".

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"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message

Doesn't everybody do that? :-)

Even if they won't fess up to it, you can bet that they do.

Perfection in woodworking would just as boring as it is in music, or
femininity ... which brings to mind a soul searching question of a similiar
kind:

I played a BIG, fashionable gig in the Astrodome last night.

I mentioned to SWMBO when I got home that if the women in attendance would
have had to check all plastic at the door, there wouldn't have been a
visible tit, or lip, in the house.

Most appeaared to be a disturbing cross between Nancy Pelosi and Anna
Nicole Smith ... and about as attractive as the Ubangi lipped
deer-in-the-headlights they looked like.

IOW, are young guys really that stupid/gullible??

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"Swingman" wrote

IOW, are young guys really that stupid/gullible??

Is this a rhetorical question?

It seems to me that the Youth-Testosterone combo is alive and well. It can
also be quite dangerous!

Swingman wrote:


I played a BIG, fashionable gig in the Astrodome last night.

I mentioned to SWMBO when I got home that if the women in attendance would
have had to check all plastic at the door, there wouldn't have been a
visible tit, or lip, in the house.

Most appeaared to be a disturbing cross between Nancy Pelosi and Anna
Nicole Smith ... and about as attractive as the Ubangi lipped
deer-in-the-headlights they looked like.

IOW, are young guys really that stupid/gullible??


Now you see, Swingman, some of us older guys have learned to think with
the upper brain occasionally. It has a completely different set of
standards than the lower brain we thought with exclusively as young bucks.

For the record, if I was going to choose a woman on the basis of looks
alone, I'd want to compare them as they look when they first roll out of
bed in the morning.

"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message

For the record, if I was going to choose a woman on the basis of looks
alone, I'd want to compare them as they look when they first roll out of
bed in the morning.

That, sir ... was indeed the focus of my entire youth!

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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

It seems to me that the Youth-Testosterone combo is alive and well. It
can
also be quite dangerous!

Does there not seem to be something amiss/deeply disturbing about
testosterone being turned on by plastic filler?

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On 27 Feb 2007 09:53:49 -0800, "FoggyTown" wrote:

If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure? Not as
fatuous as it sounds, actually. I had a friend who reckoned that the
less he spent on filler, the more skillful he was becoming at
woodworking. OTOH another friend of mine had a cabinet full of
different types and colors. His philosophy was that getting close and
then tuning up with filler was entirely legitimate and, in fact, part
of the woodworker's craft. As long as it's well filled, the look
achievd is the important thing. (BTW I am including sawdust mixed
with glue in the definition of "filler".) Personally, I'll use a
little as long as it isn't noticeable.

I find that it usually makes things worse than if you'd just left it
alone. A little gap here, a tiny bit of chip out there. They look
more significant when you are putting the thing together and think
"Look at that horrible gap!" but once it's all together it pretty much
disappears unless you go looking for things that are wrong.

My dad seems like he goes looking for things to put filler in, like
somehow the project is not complete until a certain putty quota has
been met.


-Leuf

"Swingman" wrote in message

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

It seems to me that the Youth-Testosterone combo is alive and well. It
can
also be quite dangerous!

Does there not seem to be something amiss/deeply disturbing about
testosterone being turned on by plastic filler?


I suppose it is all relative. Are plastic boobs more disturbing than rap
music or reality shows?

And almost anything will trigger the young male libido. The wind, a random
thought. a female with a pulse. etc. They don't need the filler. But it
probably helps. Cuz popular culture says so. Herd behavior dictates these
artificial standards of beauty.

To paraphrase Robin Williams, you can't blame the little guy for making bad
decisions. After all, he is blind!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:22:09 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:


"Swingman" wrote in message

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

It seems to me that the Youth-Testosterone combo is alive and well. It
can
also be quite dangerous!

Does there not seem to be something amiss/deeply disturbing about
testosterone being turned on by plastic filler?


I suppose it is all relative. Are plastic boobs more disturbing than rap
music or reality shows?

And almost anything will trigger the young male libido. The wind, a random
thought. a female with a pulse. etc. They don't need the filler. But it
probably helps. Cuz popular culture says so. Herd behavior dictates these
artificial standards of beauty.

To paraphrase Robin Williams, you can't blame the little guy for making bad
decisions. After all, he is blind!

From an episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer":

"Cordelia: Do guns make you wanna have sex?

"Xander: I'm 17, linoleum makes me wanna have sex."

To paraphrase Robin Williams, you can't blame the little guy for making bad
decisions. After all, he is blind!

Hm. I heard he had one eye.

Tue, Feb 27, 2007, 9:53am (EST-3) (FoggyTown) doth
query:
If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure? snip

Yep, definitely. Loser.

The way of your prediciment is to lie about using it. No prob.
I've never used filler.




JOAT
When in doubt, go to sleep.
- Mully Small

On 27 Feb 2007 11:13:04 -0800, "Robatoy" wrote:

On Feb 27, 2:13 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Stephen M" wrote in message
And then there's the dutchman. The filler that's can be considers "a
feature".

AKA "fake boobs".

Fake boobs feel cold to the touch.....errrmm... so I'm told.


I'm curious who would do the telling. :-)



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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On 27 Feb 2007 09:53:49 -0800, "FoggyTown" wrote:

If I have to use filler (even a little bit) am I a failure? Not as
fatuous as it sounds, actually. I had a friend who reckoned that the
less he spent on filler, the more skillful he was becoming at
woodworking. OTOH another friend of mine had a cabinet full of
different types and colors. His philosophy was that getting close and
then tuning up with filler was entirely legitimate and, in fact, part
of the woodworker's craft. As long as it's well filled, the look
achievd is the important thing. (BTW I am including sawdust mixed
with glue in the definition of "filler".) Personally, I'll use a
little as long as it isn't noticeable.

FoggyTown


Now, I've read down a bit on this thread and seen the frat boy
responses of robatoy and swingman (bad dog, bad dog!)

Do not pay any attention to those knuckleheads.


When you are at the point where you have to use filler, the only
ratonal test is the Duck Test.


If it looks like a duck and it smells like a duck, and if every other
sonofabitch on earth says it's a duck...

You might still be OK.


I say, slather that filler on.

That's one less sumbitch that is taking work away from me.


(Yeeehaahhh - hope you got the point...)

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:16:26 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:

"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message

Doesn't everybody do that? :-)

Even if they won't fess up to it, you can bet that they do.

Perfection in woodworking would just as boring as it is in music, or
femininity ... which brings to mind a soul searching question of a similiar
kind:

I played a BIG, fashionable gig in the Astrodome last night.

Cool


I mentioned to SWMBO when I got home that if the women in attendance would
have had to check all plastic at the door, there wouldn't have been a
visible tit, or lip, in the house.

Most appeaared to be a disturbing cross between Nancy Pelosi and Anna
Nicole Smith ... and about as attractive as the Ubangi lipped
deer-in-the-headlights they looked like.

IOW, are young guys really that stupid/gullible??

Probably more like that desperate.



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:28:54 -0600, "Charlie M. 1958"
wrote:

Swingman wrote:


I played a BIG, fashionable gig in the Astrodome last night.

I mentioned to SWMBO when I got home that if the women in attendance would
have had to check all plastic at the door, there wouldn't have been a
visible tit, or lip, in the house.

Most appeaared to be a disturbing cross between Nancy Pelosi and Anna
Nicole Smith ... and about as attractive as the Ubangi lipped
deer-in-the-headlights they looked like.

IOW, are young guys really that stupid/gullible??


Now you see, Swingman, some of us older guys have learned to think with
the upper brain occasionally. It has a completely different set of
standards than the lower brain we thought with exclusively as young bucks.

For the record, if I was going to choose a woman on the basis of looks
alone, I'd want to compare them as they look when they first roll out of
bed in the morning.

Ah, with age, truly comes wisdom.



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

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On Feb 27, 2:16�pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Charlie M. 1958" wrote in message
Doesn't everybody do that? :-)

Even if they won't fess up to it, you can bet that they do.

Perfection in woodworking would just as boring as it is in music, or
femininity ... which brings to mind a soul searching question of a similiar
kind:

I played a BIG, fashionable gig in the Astrodome last night.

I mentioned to SWMBO when I got home that if the women in attendance would
have had to check all plastic at the door, there wouldn't have been a
visible tit, or lip, in the house.

Most appeaared to be a *disturbing cross between Nancy Pelosi and Anna
Nicole Smith ... and about as attractive as the Ubangi lipped
deer-in-the-headlights they looked like.

IOW, are young guys really that stupid/gullible??

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Last update: 2/20/07

A few years ago, I was buying furniture, bouncing from Ohio to WV
furniture stores (right across the river from each other). One of the
sales women in Ohio had had her lips puffed out, and they had since
deflated. It was about as off-putting as anything I've ever seen that
didn't have blood running out of it.

That was, lessee, about February of '02. It's a shame to see they're
still doing it, without a thought to consequences eight or ten years
down the road.

And, yeah, young guys are that stupid, and WANT to be gullible. What
the hell. I was. So was most everyone I knew. That was a
looooooooooooooong time ago, almost lost in the vagueness of time's
mists or some such, but I can definitely recall that perpetually horny
attitude.

Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 27, 2:13 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Stephen M" wrote in message
And then there's the dutchman. The filler that's can be considers "a
feature".
AKA "fake boobs".

Fake boobs feel cold to the touch.....errrmm... so I'm told.


So can real ones on a cold woman. G

On Feb 27, 10:52 pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:


Ah, with age, truly comes wisdom.


A pretty women makes her husband look small
it very often causes a system fall
As soon as he marrys her then she starts
looking for things that will break his heart
but if you make an ugly women your wife
you'll be happy for the rest of your life
An ugly women will put peals on that
and she'll always give you a piece of that.

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty women your wife
Go for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Don't let your friends tell you you have no taste
go ahead and marry anyway
Her face is ugly her eyes don't match
take it from me shes a better catch

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty women your wife
Go for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Dude 1:say man
Dude 2:hey man
Dude 1: I saw your wife the other day
Dude 2: Yeah
Dude 1: Yeah and Shes Ugly
Dude 2: Yeah shes Ugly but she sure can cook baby.
Dude 1: Yeah

"Robatoy" wrote in message

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty women your wife
Go for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Just don't go around humming that afterwards ...

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On Feb 28, 9:08 am, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty women your wife
Go for my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you

Just don't go around humming that afterwards ...


My will to live, my love of life itself will prevent me from humming
that within earshot of Angela.
Thanks for the heads-up, though.


lol


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