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Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

(What makes thing difficult is when you're a dyed-in-the-wool
conservative but know that Bush is an asshole. Just watch the
motherfarker squirm at the SOTU tonight.)

Remember the political cartoon after the 2004 election showing a
picture of Uncle Sam with the caption below.

"Elect him once, shame on me"
"Elect him twice, shame on you"


There is a whole assortment of alt.politics newsgroups. If you
don't like to read those because of the flame wars maybe
you folks should think twice before playing with fire here.

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On 23 Jan 2007 12:13:28 -0800, "Charlie Self"
wrote:



On Jan 23, 3:030m, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
I think I just figured out why Swingman's views (and others') mesh with
mine as much as they do. Good dads go a long way, right Watson?

(What makes thing difficult is when you're a dyed-in-the-wool
conservative but know that Bush is an asshole. Just watch the
motherfarker squirm at the SOTU tonight.)

Never shy, I remain,LOL. Even if you did let a fat girl take you, sometimes you gotta dance with
who brung you!

Besides, I would just a cheerfully jail a politician on general principles
as to look at him ... ANY politician.

I may start a movement: all politicians, once elected, immediately
serve a prison sentence, the length and severity of said sentence
depending on the damage the position allows them to do. A minimum of
three months (local office), maximum of 15 years, say, though that
sounds a touch low for the damage some presidents do.

But they'd just vote themselves a special prison with hot and cold
running hookers and whatever other conveniences they thought
appropriate and use it as an excuse to party.

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wrote:

Whatever.

I soooo dislike these holier-than-thou assholes.

Fred... do us all a favour and go **** yourself.

respectfully,

r

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Charlie Self wrote:
On Jan 23, 3:03?pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
I think I just figured out why Swingman's views (and others') mesh with
mine as much as they do. Good dads go a long way, right Watson?

(What makes thing difficult is when you're a dyed-in-the-wool
conservative but know that Bush is an asshole. Just watch the
motherfarker squirm at the SOTU tonight.)

Never shy, I remain,LOL. Even if you did let a fat girl take you, sometimes you gotta dance with
who brung you!

Besides, I would just a cheerfully jail a politician on general principles
as to look at him ... ANY politician.

I may start a movement: all politicians, once elected, immediately
serve a prison sentence, the length and severity of said sentence
depending on the damage the position allows them to do. A minimum of
three months (local office), maximum of 15 years, say, though that
sounds a touch low for the damage some presidents do.

I like that, Charlie. Maybe marriage could go by those rules too? FIRST
you buy her a house.....etc. :)

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:56:07 -0500, "Darrin" wrote:

I need a bit of advice. I recently moved into a new house with a big
garage that I've made into my workshop. My next door neighbor is a really
good guy and comes over to shoot the bull every now and again and I show him
some of the new things I've made (adirondack chairs and tile inlay tables).
While he's there I'm sure he scopes out what I have and after a while comes
to ask if he can borrow my tools for a project he's working on. I always
get the "I'll bring it back in a couple of hours" statement, but it's
usually the next couple of days. I've never lived anywhere where a
neighbor needed any of my tools, so this loaning out of tools is new to me
and I want to be neighborly. But now he has my level, palm sander, one of
my two pipe clamps, and an extension cord that has now been strung across
his backyard for a week in the rain. He brought back my ladder a few days
ago that sat in a snow storm overnight.

I just got a new cabinet saw and dust collector. Now that Christmas is
over and my kids birthdays out of the way, I'm going to be working pretty
hard getting my chairs made for spring-summer time, therefore, the loaning
is going to come to a stop.

Here's my question, is there a way to tell him I can't loan out my tools now
that I'm going to be using them more without ****ing off a neighbor? I'm
already going to have to ask for my other tools back since I need them now,
not when he decides he can bring them back. It gets to me a bit that he
always wants to borrow my tools since he works at Home Depot. I
figure that some of you guys out there have gone through this. How do you
keep it under control? I know I can say "no" everytime he wants to
borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.

It's very easy without ****ing anyone off.

Go get your tools back when he isn't home and flirt with his wife.
Nope, I'm not kidding.
A) He won't like you coming over when he isn't home and he will think twice about
borrowing next time.
B) His wife won't like you coming over unannounced and tell him to stop borrowing
your tools.

C) She flirts back and you have wild sex on his shop bench. Then you start offering
him MORE tools so you have an excuse to go back over.

In all three cases it's WIN WIN WIN. g

BTW I'm experienced A&C personally...years ago....

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Charlie Self wrote:

I may start a movement: all politicians, once elected, immediately
serve a prison sentence, the length and severity of said sentence
depending on the damage the position allows them to do. A minimum of
three months (local office), maximum of 15 years, say, though that
sounds a touch low for the damage some presidents do.

I once stood in the top of the Washington monument and surveyed all
the government buildings within sight, most of which, while I had
helped pay for, I could not enter.

At that moment, a thought occurred to me.

Take the name of every politician across the entire country, and toss
them in a hat, then every day of the year, promptly at a common time,
say 10:00AM in the east, we randomly draw 100,000 names from the hat
and shoot the SOBs.

At the end of 10 years, the number of politicians would only have
doubled, since they breed via incest.

Back then, thought it was a great idea, but never was able to attract
any support.

Oh well, such is life.

Lew

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Go get your tools back when he isn't home and flirt with his wife.
Nope, I'm not kidding.
A) He won't like you coming over when he isn't home and he will think twice about
borrowing next time.
B) His wife won't like you coming over unannounced and tell him to stop borrowing
your tools.

C) She flirts back and you have wild sex on his shop bench. Then you start offering
him MORE tools so you have an excuse to go back over.

In all three cases it's WIN WIN WIN. g



OK All you guys who are married to foxy wives can come loan some
tools. Give me a list of what you need - if I don't have it, that
means I'll have go buy it.

Rules: You must have a job. This is important when I have to
come over there for tool removal while the wife is at home.
Inform the wife I'm coming over so that we both can come and
to not wear anything complicated.

I'll be sitting here next to the phone so don't be shy.

Pete

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Darrin wrote:
snip

Here's my question, is there a way to tell him I can't loan out my tools now
that I'm going to be using them more without ****ing off a neighbor? I'm
already going to have to ask for my other tools back since I need them now,
not when he decides he can bring them back. It gets to me a bit that he
always wants to borrow my tools since he works at Home Depot. I
figure that some of you guys out there have gone through this. How do you
keep it under control? I know I can say "no" everytime he wants to
borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.



I won't give advice but I will point something out. Your last sentence
asks about bad blood. From what you've said, there either already is or
will be the next time he leaves a tool in the weather or misuses it.
Since he's already broken your rules of how to treat tools, it's pretty
clear he'll do so again.

Sometimes we hate to **** people off for being territorial about our
possessions, but we're willing to let ourselves get ****ed off and say
nothing. That's not helping anyone, including your neighbour.

I don't think it's too late for any of your options, and you've had a
few suggested, including nipping it in the bud. And yes, it's still in
the bud so far, but it will go full bloom if you do nothing. As Swing
said, it's all in what you think you can live with.

Whatever you do, it's not really going to be that pleasant. Do nothing,
get ****ed off. Nip it, get him riled or at the very least embarrassed.
Something in between, and the feelings will be somewhere in the middle.

Let us know how it turns out. I don't think there's anyone who's got
even a small selection of tools that hasn't been in the same predicament.

Tanus


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On Jan 23, 5:35 pm, "Robatoy" wrote:
wrote:Whatever.

I soooo dislike these holier-than-thou assholes.

Fred... do us all a favour and go **** yourself.

respectfully,


Evidently you are why alt.flame was created.

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In article k.net, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

(What makes thing difficult is when you're a dyed-in-the-wool
conservative but know that Bush is an asshole. Just watch the
motherfarker squirm at the SOTU tonight.)

Remember the political cartoon after the 2004 election showing a
picture of Uncle Sam with the caption below.

"Elect him once, shame on me"
"Elect him twice, shame on you"

Seems to me that first appeared mid-November 1996...

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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On Jan 23, 7:56 pm, wrote:
Evidently you are why alt.flame was created.

....and here I was hoping for yet another e-mail from you....and please,
don't flatter yourself by thinking I would take the time to actually
'flame' your sorry ass.

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Darrin wrote:
snip


Thanks for any advice.


As a diligent homeowner you no doubt talk to your insurance agent from
time to time to discuss your coverage and make sure you are not
underinsured and during such a discussion you could mention that you
have been loaning out tools to your neighbor/friends to which your agent
would certainly look at your sternly and tell you that you must not loan
your tools to anyone as it exposes you to potential liability. From a
liability standpoint you were duly cautioned by your agent to adopt a
policy of no loan of tools, which from a neighbor's standpoint is
regrettable, but understandable... right?

(Actually, loaning a ladder or any power tool that can do serious bodily
injury is asking for trouble, friends quickly turn into claimants when
there is an accident and you have good coverage.)

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"John L. Poole" wrote in message


would certainly look at your sternly and tell you that you must not loan
your tools to anyone as it exposes you to potential liability. From a
liability standpoint you were duly cautioned by your agent to adopt a
policy of no loan of tools, which from a neighbor's standpoint is
regrettable, but understandable... right?

(Actually, loaning a ladder or any power tool that can do serious bodily
injury is asking for trouble, friends quickly turn into claimants when
there is an accident and you have good coverage.)

Insurance companies buying off politicians, and politician-in-training
lawyers, dictating life in good old NA, (once) land of the free.

A pox on all three.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 1/06/07

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:56:07 -0500, "Darrin"
wrote:

How do you
keep it under control? I know I can say "no" everytime he wants to
borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.

My $.02- a guy that doesn't understand why you might not want to loan
your tools to him isn't a guy that should be allowed to use them.
Those kind of people, I don't worry about ****ing off.

There are cases where a guy has already got a shop full of tools, and
knows how to take care of them. Everyone finds they need some widget
they don't happen to have from time to time, and in those cases, I'm
happy to lend a tool- but not if they don't have and maintain their
own shop. I'm not a free rental outfit for weekend warriors!

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Darrin wrote:
I need a bit of advice. How do you
keep it under control? I know I can say "no" everytime he wants to
borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.


Old Indian advice:

If you don't loan your tools, he get mad.

If you LOAN your tools, you get mad.

Damn site better HE get mad.

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On Jan 22, 10:56 am, "Darrin" wrote:
I need a bit of advice. I recently moved into a new house with a big
garage that I've made into my workshop. My next door neighbor is a really
good guy and comes over to shoot the bull every now and again and I show him
some of the new things I've made (adirondack chairs and tile inlay tables).
While he's there I'm sure he scopes out what I have and after a while comes
to ask if he can borrow my tools for a project he's working on. I always
get the "I'll bring it back in a couple of hours" statement, but it's
usually the next couple of days. I've never lived anywhere where a
neighbor needed any of my tools, so this loaning out of tools is new to me
and I want to be neighborly. But now he has my level, palm sander, one of
my two pipe clamps, and an extension cord that has now been strung across
his backyard for a week in the rain. He brought back my ladder a few days
ago that sat in a snow storm overnight.

I just got a new cabinet saw and dust collector. Now that Christmas is
over and my kids birthdays out of the way, I'm going to be working pretty
hard getting my chairs made for spring-summer time, therefore, the loaning
is going to come to a stop.

Here's my question, is there a way to tell him I can't loan out my tools now
that I'm going to be using them more without ****ing off a neighbor? I'm
already going to have to ask for my other tools back since I need them now,
not when he decides he can bring them back. It gets to me a bit that he
always wants to borrow my tools since he works at Home Depot. I
figure that some of you guys out there have gone through this. How do you
keep it under control? I know I can say "no" every time he wants to
borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.

I'm moving to a new (old) house and plan on making my garage the
workroom. Where I live now I only have 1 neighbor. He has more tools
then me, but he did borrow my tile saw. Returned it the following week
(as he said) in better condition then when it left.

Anyway, my new house will be in a regular neighborhood, so I think I'll
start off by putting a friendly wood sign next to the door to the
workroom. "Borrow my wife, borrow my kids, but not the tools or the
car"...

Swingman, I didn't know you could get a wife at Harbor Freight. Gotta
go home and look at that catalogue again.

-Jim

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On Jan 23, 5:56*pm, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:* I may start a movement: all politicians, once elected, immediately
* serve a prison sentence, the length and severity of said sentence
* depending on the damage the position allows them to do. A minimum of
* three months (local office), maximum of 15 years, say, though that
* sounds a touch low for the damage some presidents do.

I once stood in the top of the Washington monument and surveyed all
the government buildings within sight, most of which, while I had
helped pay for, I could not enter.

At that moment, a thought occurred to me.

Take the name of every politician across the entire country, and toss
them in a hat, then every day of the year, promptly at a common time,
say 10:00AM in the east, we randomly draw 100,000 names from the hat
and shoot the SOBs.

At the end of 10 years, the number of politicians would only have
doubled, since they breed via incest.

Back then, thought it was a great idea, but never was able to attract
any support.

Oh well, such is life.

Lew

Hang in there. Support is probably coming.

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On Jan 23, 5:44*pm, "Robatoy" wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:
On Jan 23, 3:03?pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
I think I just figured out why Swingman's views (and others') mesh with
mine as much as they do. Good dads go a long way, right Watson?

(What makes thing difficult is when you're a dyed-in-the-wool
conservative but know that Bush is an asshole. Just watch the
motherfarker squirm at the SOTU tonight.)

Never shy, I remain,LOL. Even if you did let a fat girl take you, sometimes you gotta dance with
who brung you!

Besides, I would just a cheerfully jail a politician on general principles
as to look at him ... ANY politician.

I may start a movement: all politicians, once elected, immediately
serve a prison sentence, the length and severity of said sentence
depending on the damage the position allows them to do. A minimum of
three months (local office), maximum of 15 years, say, though that
sounds a touch low for the damage some presidents do.I like that, Charlie. Maybe marriage could go by those rules too? FIRST
you buy her a house.....etc. :)- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

You might as well. That's the way it works, anyway.

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On Jan 24, 7:42*am, "Swingman" wrote:
"John L. Poole" wrote in message
would certainly look at your sternly and tell you that you must not loan
your tools to anyone as it exposes you to potential liability. *From a
liability standpoint you were duly cautioned by your agent to adopt a
policy of no loan of tools, which from a neighbor's standpoint is
regrettable, but understandable... right?

(Actually, loaning a ladder or any power tool that can do serious bodily
injury is asking for trouble, friends quickly turn into claimants when
there is an accident and you have good coverage.)Insurance companies buying off politicians, and politician-in-training
lawyers, dictating life in good old NA, (once) land of the free.

A pox on all three.

Double pox. My wife's country church has something like five dusk to
dawn lights. Why? Not because there's any real need: members would know
to bring a flashlight at night when the building is unoccupied. But the
insurance company says each exit/entrance/hazard (as they perceive
hazard) must be illuminated all night.

I know a lot of people who use those things to light their yards,
shops, garages, etc. Sort of like saying, "Here are the goodies. Come
and get them."

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Charlie Self wrote:


Double pox. My wife's country church has something like five dusk to
dawn lights. Why? Not because there's any real need: members would know
to bring a flashlight at night when the building is unoccupied. But the
insurance company says each exit/entrance/hazard (as they perceive
hazard) must be illuminated all night.

I know a lot of people who use those things to light their yards,
shops, garages, etc. Sort of like saying, "Here are the goodies. Come
and get them."


Actually, security lighting is a very good deterrent against vandals
and thieves.

In a former life, I sold a lot of outdoor lighting systems designed
specifically for security applications.

Think you will find the insurance companies will give you a break if
you have security lighting.

Lew



Lew

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:22:45 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Charlie Self wrote:


dusk to dawn lights.

I know a lot of people who use those things to light their yards,
shops, garages, etc. Sort of like saying, "Here are the goodies. Come
and get them."


Actually, security lighting is a very good deterrent against vandals
and thieves.

Think you will find the insurance companies will give you a break if
you have security lighting.

Lew



Lew

Interesting. Good points on both sides. It provides illumination
while thieves to work at opening the door/window while also
illuminating themselves doing it, and hopefully causing law
enforcement to be summoned.

Are there statistics on this? Number of break-ins broken down by
places with and places without lighting?

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George Max wrote:


Are there statistics on this? Number of break-ins broken down by
places with and places without lighting?

The answer to the question is:

Does the insurance give a lower rate if the property has security
lighting?

Lew

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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:54:14 -0600, George Max
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:22:45 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Charlie Self wrote:


dusk to dawn lights.

I know a lot of people who use those things to light their yards,
shops, garages, etc. Sort of like saying, "Here are the goodies. Come
and get them."


Actually, security lighting is a very good deterrent against vandals
and thieves.

Think you will find the insurance companies will give you a break if
you have security lighting.

Interesting. Good points on both sides. It provides illumination
while thieves to work at opening the door/window while also
illuminating themselves doing it, and hopefully causing law
enforcement to be summoned.

Are there statistics on this? Number of break-ins broken down by
places with and places without lighting?

You might find http://calgary.rasc.ca/lp/crime.html to be of
interest. There are links and references to several studies.

Please note though that the axe they are grinding is "light pollution"
so take it with a large dose of salt.

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On Jan 24, 1:36 pm, Lew Hodgett wrote:
George Max wrote:
Are there statistics on this? Number of break-ins broken down by
places with and places without lighting?

The answer to the question is:

Does the insurance give a lower rate if the property has security
lighting?


No, that does not answer the question.

Insurance companies can make mistakes.

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On Jan 24, 12:05 pm, "Charlie Self" wrote:

Double pox. My wife's country church has something like five dusk to
dawn lights. Why? Not because there's any real need: members would know
to bring a flashlight at night when the building is unoccupied. But the
insurance company says each exit/entrance/hazard (as they perceive
hazard) must be illuminated all night.

--

FF

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On Jan 24, 12:54*pm, George Max
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:22:45 GMT, Lew Hodgett





wrote:
Charlie Self wrote:

dusk to dawn lights.

I know a lot of people who use those things to light their yards,
shops, garages, etc. Sort of like saying, "Here are the goodies. Come
and get them."

Actually, security lighting is a very good deterrent against vandals
and thieves.

Think you will find the insurance companies will give you a break if
you have security lighting.

Lew

LewInteresting. *Good points on both sides. *It provides illumination
while thieves to work at opening the door/window while also
illuminating themselves doing it, and hopefully causing law
enforcement to be summoned.

Are there statistics on this? *Number of break-ins broken down by
places with and places without lighting?- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

No idea about stats, but I'm talking about country, not town. I could
put dusk to dawns on my shop, but all it does is throw light into my
bedroom window during winter when the trees are bare. When the trees
aren't bare, I can't see the shop without going down to the basement
and out. So, no point.

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On Jan 24, 1:36*pm, Lew Hodgett wrote:
George Max wrote:*
* Are there statistics on this? *Number of break-ins broken down by
* places with and places without lighting?

The answer to the question is:

Does the insurance give a lower rate if the property has security
lighting?


And the answer probably is, "Likely not on residential properties."
Where there is public access, probably, even though, IMO, that is
asinine about 77% of the time. Does the parsonage across the street
from the church REALLY need a dusk to dawn? I think not, but it's been
there for at least two decades I know of.

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In article .com,
jtpr wrote:


I dunno, guys. Every time a neighbor comes by to borrow a tool, I give
them careful instructions on how to use it. "Now george, you might
think you know how to use an electric drill, but check this out. It's
reversible. And look a the speed control and how it works. And you can
set the torque so it won't strip threads. If you run the battery down
it'll stop working, and you'll have to bring it back. There are more
ways for a person to hurt themselves with a drill than you might know
about. Do you have any questions? I'll be glad to answer them. If you
do hurt yourself you're on your own. Please wash off all blood, grease,
and paint."

"It's a Porter-Cable drill, and I paid $220. for it. It's a high-end
brand, and I know you'll be careful with it, but you know if it's
broken I'll expect you to replace it. How long will you need it? Two
days? I hate to have my tools gone such a long time. I'll be needing it
tomorrow, can you get back by then? If not I'll have to come looking
for it, and I hate to do that.

Hey, by the way, guy, I've been looking at the motorboat in your
driveway. We were thinking about going up to Carter Lake. Care if I
borrow it for the weekend?

--
Vince Heuring To email, remove the Vince.

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"Charlie Self" wrote in
ups.com:


And the answer probably is, "Likely not on residential properties."
Where there is public access, probably, even though, IMO, that is
asinine about 77% of the time. Does the parsonage across the street
from the church REALLY need a dusk to dawn? I think not, but it's been
there for at least two decades I know of.


It really depends on the area. There's one parsonage that was 2 blocks
from downtown in a little boring town that had to have a dusk to dawn
light installed because of people messing with the pastor's property.

Puckdropper
--
Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

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Thanks everyone for all the ideas, thoughts, and suggestions. They are
great and I've learned from them in how I will handle this in the future.
There truly is a fine line between helping someone out in a pinch and being
taken advantage of. I think I might be more upset by this than I should
be, but dang it, he works at Home Depot and gets an employee discount. I
didn't get a discount when I bought these tools. He and his wife both
work. My wife works and I'm just starting out in the woodworking
business, so I'm not making a whole lot yet. He can better afford tools
than I can, yet he comes to get mine. He just had a new patio concreted
and hot tub put in, bought his and hers Harley's, already has 2 -250 gallon
sal****er fish tanks, got a new 52" widescreen tv, and bought a new SUV
last summer for a trip to Myrtle Beach. I guess he needs to save money so
he borrows my tools instead of getting his own. But yet, if he would have
just brought things back when he said he would, I probably would still let
him borrow.


After reading a lot of personal experiences and opinions, I plan on telling
him the loaning has to end. My business now is woodworking and my sole
basis of income, not just a hobby and I need every tool to do it, even my
ladder. I wouldn't go to his job at Home Depot and take his pens,
clipboard, phone, desk, or chair. If he gets mad, well he won't be the
first person I've ****ed off. My biggest problem with that is I spent 9
yrs at my old house ****ed off at my next door neighbor and that can be
pretty rough.

I now have gotten back all my tools except for the extension cord. Since
my original post, it's still strung across his backyard with one freezing
rain and two snows on it. I've bought a new one (I had forgotten how
expensive they are) and plan to tell him to just keep it as it probably
didn't weather to well. I told the lady at the local hardware store why I
was buying a new cord and she said "Well, I wouldn't let that sucker borrow
anything of mine again."

I've come to finally put 2 and 2 together and realize he did know what he
was doing when he scouted my tools and them came to borrow. He buttered
me up with all the "you're a good neighbor" talk on the first time we ever
met. Maybe he saw me moving all my tools in and he was going to make a
good neighbor out of me. I can understand if a project takes longer
than expected and he needs it for a while longer, but he should have asked
if he could keep it longer or brought it back and ask if he could borrow it
again tomorrow. I truly don't think he has a hidden agenda, but he
is being disresctful to me and that surely doesn't make me want to let him
have more tools.

I would figure that since he has lived at his house for at least 5 yrs. that
he would already have some of these tools, especially the ladder and
extention cord. I think it's time I suggest he use his Home Depot
employee discount. I've seen that he doesn't take care of his own
property very well as his nice riding mower sat out in the rain all spring
and into the summer. He came over and borrowed my jumper cables when the
mower wouldn't start and jumped the battery with his car battery. He
blew it up and destroyed the mower, but did bring my jumper cables right
back.

His kids asked me yesterday if they could borrow my snow shovel, I said "no"
so they went in and got their own. I think Daddy is teaching them how to
borrow from neighbors. I also think Daddy already owns a lot of what he
comes to borrow.

I heard this phrase a few years ago "No one can take advantage of you unless
you let them." I just quit letting him.

Thanks to all,
Darrin


"Darrin" wrote in message
...
I need a bit of advice. I recently moved into a new house with a big
garage that I've made into my workshop. My next door neighbor is a really
good guy and comes over to shoot the bull every now and again and I show
him some of the new things I've made (adirondack chairs and tile inlay
tables). While he's there I'm sure he scopes out what I have and after a
while comes to ask if he can borrow my tools for a project he's working on.
I always get the "I'll bring it back in a couple of hours" statement, but
it's usually the next couple of days. I've never lived anywhere where a
neighbor needed any of my tools, so this loaning out of tools is new to me
and I want to be neighborly. But now he has my level, palm sander, one
of my two pipe clamps, and an extension cord that has now been strung
across his backyard for a week in the rain. He brought back my ladder a
few days ago that sat in a snow storm overnight.

I just got a new cabinet saw and dust collector. Now that Christmas is
over and my kids birthdays out of the way, I'm going to be working pretty
hard getting my chairs made for spring-summer time, therefore, the loaning
is going to come to a stop.

Here's my question, is there a way to tell him I can't loan out my tools
now that I'm going to be using them more without ****ing off a neighbor?
I'm already going to have to ask for my other tools back since I need them
now, not when he decides he can bring them back. It gets to me a bit
that he always wants to borrow my tools since he works at Home Depot.
I figure that some of you guys out there have gone through this. How do
you keep it under control? I know I can say "no" everytime he wants
to borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.

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"Darrin" wrote
He just had a new patio concreted and hot tub put in, bought his and
hers Harley's, already has 2 -250 gallon sal****er fish tanks, got a new
52" widescreen tv, and bought a new SUV last summer for a trip to Myrtle
Beach.

You never mentioned these facts. The solution is obvious. You will let him
borrow any tool as long as he leaves one (or both) of the Harleys as a
deposit.

Problem solved.

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On Jan 22, 10:56 am, "Darrin" wrote:
.. How do you
keep it under control? I know I can say "no" everytime he wants to
borrow something, but won't that make for bad blood?

Thanks for any advice.

I think we've all made this same mistake. When I was younger, I lent
out some tools to a neighbor. The guy had the balls to even put them on
his pegboard. When I asked for them back, he said, "Oh come on, you
don't really need these, do you?"
LOL. His plan was to hope I forgot about them, and STEAL them.

Now I just tell them, "sorry, but I'm going to need them soon".. If
they need clamps to make a repair or something cut, I invite them to
bring their repair over and do it in my shop (under my watch, or I do
it for them).. But I don't lend out anything that I want back.

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On Jan 22, 11:26 am, "GeeDubb" wrote:

I'm also in the habit now of not asking to borrow anything. Just makes life
simpler since I usually ended up fixing what I asked to borrow before I
could use it.


Good advice. I try not to ask the neighbors to borrow anything either,
because I don't want to be in "debt" to them. If they lend you a $20
fertilizer spreader, they think they have a right to borrow all your
tools and leave them out in the rain.

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From Hamlet:

Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.

I wonder if Shakespeare did a little construction work on the side?

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On Jan 24, 11:01 am, "jtpr" wrote:
Swingman, I didn't know you could get a wife at Harbor Freight. Gotta
go home and look at that catalogue again.


You've got to check it out. It's a pretty good deal. The quality of the
wives they sell is kind of hit and miss (as it is with everything they
sell). The best part is the liberal returns policy. No questions asked.
Just take her to the register ( even if she is obviously well used),
and get a full refund!

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"Darrin" wrote in
:

My wife works and I'm just
starting out in the woodworking business, so I'm not making a whole
lot yet.

No more reason is needed. It's how you make your living. No tools, no
revenue, no customer recommendations. See ya later!

Patriarch

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On 25 Jan 2007 10:01:11 -0800, "bf" wrote:



On Jan 22, 11:26 am, "GeeDubb" wrote:

I'm also in the habit now of not asking to borrow anything. Just makes life
simpler since I usually ended up fixing what I asked to borrow before I
could use it.


Good advice. I try not to ask the neighbors to borrow anything either,
because I don't want to be in "debt" to them. If they lend you a $20
fertilizer spreader, they think they have a right to borrow all your
tools and leave them out in the rain.

I lent my framing nailer to a new neighbor who was building a shed. He then 'rented'
his compressor and MY nailer to his golf club for the weekend for $50.
I found out 3 months later. I was ****ed. He still has half a box of nails (useless
to him) left a year later that he is 'saving' for the next job.
What did I get in return. Just him bitching about the weight of my nailer..g

He came over bitching how his manual T-50 stapler pinches his hand (he's replacing
the plastic on the greenhouse at his golf club) hoping to borrow my air version. I
told him it was broken and suggested he spend $25 and buy one. He finished the job
with his crappy Crapsman manual. I have no idea if he charged the golf club rent or
not.

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:48:48 -0500, "Darrin"
wrote:

Thanks everyone for all the ideas, thoughts, and suggestions. They are
great and I've learned from them in how I will handle this in the future.
There truly is a fine line between helping someone out in a pinch and being
taken advantage of. I think I might be more upset by this than I should
be, but dang it, he works at Home Depot and gets an employee discount. I
didn't get a discount when I bought these tools. He and his wife both
work. My wife works and I'm just starting out in the woodworking
business, so I'm not making a whole lot yet. He can better afford tools
than I can, yet he comes to get mine. He just had a new patio concreted
and hot tub put in, bought his and hers Harley's, already has 2 -250 gallon
sal****er fish tanks, got a new 52" widescreen tv, and bought a new SUV
last summer for a trip to Myrtle Beach. I guess he needs to save money so
he borrows my tools instead of getting his own. But yet, if he would have
just brought things back when he said he would, I probably would still let
him borrow.

Damn! They must be paying pretty well at Home Dept these days.

Dave Hall

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In article , "Darrin" wrote:

I'm just starting out in the woodworking
business, so I'm not making a whole lot yet.

That's all the reason you need to say 'no.' Back when every corner gasoline
station was a *service* station, a lot of mechanics had signs up on their
toolboxes that said "I make my living with my Snap-On Tools. Please don't ask
to borrow them."

I heard this phrase a few years ago "No one can take advantage of you unless
you let them." I just quit letting him.

There ya go. That's all it takes.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:00:08 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:48:48 -0500, "Darrin"
wrote:

Thanks everyone for all the ideas, thoughts, and suggestions. They are
great and I've learned from them in how I will handle this in the future.
There truly is a fine line between helping someone out in a pinch and being
taken advantage of. I think I might be more upset by this than I should
be, but dang it, he works at Home Depot and gets an employee discount. I
didn't get a discount when I bought these tools. He and his wife both
work. My wife works and I'm just starting out in the woodworking
business, so I'm not making a whole lot yet. He can better afford tools
than I can, yet he comes to get mine. He just had a new patio concreted
and hot tub put in, bought his and hers Harley's, already has 2 -250 gallon
sal****er fish tanks, got a new 52" widescreen tv, and bought a new SUV
last summer for a trip to Myrtle Beach. I guess he needs to save money so
he borrows my tools instead of getting his own. But yet, if he would have
just brought things back when he said he would, I probably would still let
him borrow.

Damn! They must be paying pretty well at Home Dept these days.

Dave Hall

His friend must be the *owner* of Home Depot. I believe he just got a
nice golden handshake.