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Rip fence not square with table
The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly
perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? Mike |
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wrote: The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? Mike IMHO depends on what is meant by "perfectly perpendicular" If it is far off enough to affect the quality or precision of your work, then sure, complain to Delta. If your talking about a few thousandths that you measured with machinists tools, forget about it. OTOH, if it IS bad enough to affect your work, and the saw is old or of warranty or Delta can't or won't do anything, the usual approach is to attach some kind of facing to the fence and square it as needed. could just be a nice hardwood board or maybe a piece of UHMW plastic. -- No dumb questions, just dumb answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore, Maryland - |
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wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? I don't think I have ever done anything where a perfectly square fence would matter. Generally the wood is held to the table, not the fence. There are exceptions, like doing a raised panel on your saw, but certainly not common. How off is it? I have never even check mine. |
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On 8 Oct 2006 18:48:58 -0700, wrote: The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? First off, is it out of kilter in reference to the table or the blade? If it's parallel to the blade, you've got little to complain about. If it's parallel to the blade, and *not* perpendicular to the table, then the *blade* is not perpendicular to the table. That's enough of a cause for complaint for me to do something about it. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"Toller" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? I don't think I have ever done anything where a perfectly square fence would matter. Generally the wood is held to the table, not the fence. There are exceptions, like doing a raised panel on your saw, but certainly not common. If you ever cut thick material with a rabbet on the upper side against the fence the fence not being square to the table will cause problems if you use the fence rule to set its distance from the blade. |
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wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? Mike How far out? These adjustment is some times accomplished by lowering the guide rails on one end or the other to compensate for the problem. |
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Leon wrote:
If you ever cut thick material with a rabbet on the upper side against the fence the fence not being square to the table will cause problems if you use the fence rule to set its distance from the blade. Yes, that's what I did. I had some thick stock up against the fence to cut rabbets in it and that's when I noticed how imperfect it was. I can take a picture and post in to ABPW. The gap is enough to be seen with a square flat on the table and up against the fence. Maybe I'm looking for squareness in something that's not expected to have it? I probably should have built Frank Klausz' tenon jig...that would have kept the work square to the table. Mike |
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wrote in message oups.com... Leon wrote: If you ever cut thick material with a rabbet on the upper side against the fence the fence not being square to the table will cause problems if you use the fence rule to set its distance from the blade. Yes, that's what I did. I had some thick stock up against the fence to cut rabbets in it and that's when I noticed how imperfect it was. I can take a picture and post in to ABPW. The gap is enough to be seen with a square flat on the table and up against the fence. Maybe I'm looking for squareness in something that's not expected to have it? No, you should expect to have a fence that is square to the table top. |
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Okay, going back through what I typed I think it could be
misinterpreted. I do have the fence parallel to the blade and whether it's square to the front edge of the table doesn't matter...What I'm expecting is for the fence to point up, away from the ground, at 90 degrees to the table. That is, if the fence extended up further, I'm expecting it's sides to be plumb to the table (of course I'm not expecting high precision). (front view, expected) .....|#######| .....|#######| .....|#######| -- fence .....|#######| -------------------------------------------- front edge of table -------------------------------------------- (front view, actual, exaggerated) ..\#######\ ...\#######\ ....\#######\ -- fence .....\#######\ -------------------------------------------- front edge of table -------------------------------------------- Mike |
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"Leon" wrote in message et... "Toller" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? I don't think I have ever done anything where a perfectly square fence would matter. Generally the wood is held to the table, not the fence. There are exceptions, like doing a raised panel on your saw, but certainly not common. If you ever cut thick material with a rabbet on the upper side against the fence the fence not being square to the table will cause problems if you use the fence rule to set its distance from the blade. That's true, but I have always cut rabbets as my last operation, so it probably wouldn't come up much. |
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Toller wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? I don't think I have ever done anything where a perfectly square fence would matter. Generally the wood is held to the table, not the fence. There are exceptions, like doing a raised panel on your saw, but certainly not common. How off is it? I have never even check mine. I think there's some ambiguity about what direction the OP means. You're talking about the vertical part of the fence not being perp. to the tabletop, which doesn't matter as you said. Everyone else is talking about along the horizontal part of the fence, which should be parallel to the blade and need not be perp. to the edge of the table. Mark |
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"redbelly" wrote in message ps.com... Toller wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? I don't think I have ever done anything where a perfectly square fence would matter. Generally the wood is held to the table, not the fence. There are exceptions, like doing a raised panel on your saw, but certainly not common. How off is it? I have never even check mine. I think there's some ambiguity about what direction the OP means. You're talking about the vertical part of the fence not being perp. to the tabletop, which doesn't matter as you said. Everyone else is talking about along the horizontal part of the fence, which should be parallel to the blade and need not be perp. to the edge of the table. You might be right about what the others think, but his drawing shows the vertical not being perpendicular. Doesn't it? |
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Toller wrote: "redbelly" wrote in message ps.com... Toller wrote: wrote in message oups.com... The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? I don't think I have ever done anything where a perfectly square fence would matter. Generally the wood is held to the table, not the fence. There are exceptions, like doing a raised panel on your saw, but certainly not common. How off is it? I have never even check mine. I think there's some ambiguity about what direction the OP means. You're talking about the vertical part of the fence not being perp. to the tabletop, which doesn't matter as you said. Everyone else is talking about along the horizontal part of the fence, which should be parallel to the blade and need not be perp. to the edge of the table. You might be right about what the others think, but his drawing shows the vertical not being perpendicular. Doesn't it? Yes. When I wrote what I did, I hadn't seen his drawing yet. I must have this thread open for an hour or so, and by the time I had a chance to post my response he had already put up the drawing. I responded without refreshing the page, which would have shown the latest info. Another question is: does the fence lean toward the blade or away from it? If it leans toward the blade, then when/if the back end of the blade grabs the piece, it will be carried up and could get wedged in between the fence and spinning blade. Not good. Mark |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:45:04 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , Prometheus wrote: On 8 Oct 2006 18:48:58 -0700, wrote: The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? First off, is it out of kilter in reference to the table or the blade? If it's parallel to the blade, you've got little to complain about. If it's parallel to the blade, and *not* perpendicular to the table, then the *blade* is not perpendicular to the table. That's enough of a cause for complaint for me to do something about it. Yes, yes, I caught that- it just seemed like an honest mistake. |
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On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:31:31 GMT, "Leon"
wrote: "Pop`ö" wrote in message newsptWg.810$P92.771@trndny02... wrote: The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? Mike Assuming you mean what you said: | | side of fence | |----------------- table that angle not being exaxtly 90 degrees, I'm not sure there's much you can do about it and it's not likely to make much difference to anything anyway. For precision cuts you have to get out your ruler anyway, and for construction cuts who cares? I suppose you could grab a file and start modifying the handle accordingly, or grind it, but I don't see the problem. Especially since you included no useful detail other than a general statement about it. Pop` One should expect a fence to be square to the table. Most good fences have this adjustment to correct for squareness and getting precision cuts that are repeatable is not a problem when again using a decent fence. I have not used a tape measure to set up a cut in years unless cutting dado's on a left tilt. The key words there are "good fences"- a TS300 does not have a "good" fence, it has an inexpensive fence. So you make it work, or get a new one. |
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The sides of the rip fence of my Delta TS350 aren't perfectly perpendicular to the table. Is there anything I can do about this? There are no adjustment bolts, as the thing is welded together. Is it reasonable to complain to Delta when the saw only cost $400? Mike I took a look at a picture of the TS350. http://www.amazon.com/Delta-TS350-Ta.../dp/B0001X216W If you zoom in on the fence it sure looks to me that there are adjustment screws on the "wings" of the "T". -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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Nova wrote:
I took a look at a picture of the TS350. http://www.amazon.com/Delta-TS350-Ta.../dp/B0001X216W If you zoom in on the fence it sure looks to me that there are adjustment screws on the "wings" of the "T". Yeah, there's only one screw, though. It's on the right side, and it's for the ruler cursor. The two screws that you can't see (they're in the channel, facing the back of the saw) are to get the fence parallel to the blade. Mike |
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Nova wrote: I took a look at a picture of the TS350. http://www.amazon.com/Delta-TS350-Ta.../dp/B0001X216W If you zoom in on the fence it sure looks to me that there are adjustment screws on the "wings" of the "T". Yeah, there's only one screw, though. It's on the right side, and it's for the ruler cursor. The two screws that you can't see (they're in the channel, facing the back of the saw) are to get the fence parallel to the blade. Mike Are you sure the pads that ride on top of the rail don't turn in/out somehow. The pads on my HTC fence are adjustable to make the fence perpendicular to the table. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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Nova wrote:
Are you sure the pads that ride on top of the rail don't turn in/out somehow. The pads on my HTC fence are adjustable to make the fence perpendicular to the table. Nope, the pads don't turn in/out. But I might be able to shim them. Good idea. Mike |
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Pics posted to ABPW.
Big deal, or no big deal? Mike |
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wrote in message ups.com... Pics posted to ABPW. Big deal, or no big deal? Mike I understand your problem and your picture verified that. You want correct that. |
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"Toller" wrote in message ... That's true, but I have always cut rabbets as my last operation, so it probably wouldn't come up much. Suppose you want the 45 the edge of a board than then the 45 the opposite edge of the board. Same Problem with a fence that is not square to the table. |
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"redbelly" wrote in message I think there's some ambiguity about what direction the OP means. You're talking about the vertical part of the fence not being perp. to the tabletop, which doesn't matter as you said. It does matter. Everyone else is talking about along the horizontal part of the fence, which should be parallel to the blade and need not be perp. to the edge of the table. Not everyone else. Some maybe. |
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