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Old May 25th 06, 01:21 AM posted to rec.woodworking
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Greetings wreck,

I need some closet shelving, and am wondering if a 22-inch span is too
long for 1x lumber (3/4-inch dressed). I'm thinking not, but wanted
your input before committing to the cuts.

I don't expect any heavy loads, just SWMBO's closet crap, etc. Shelf
spacing only 16 inches, so there's only so much she could pile on each
one, except maybe the top shelf.

Will I need to glue some edge pieces front and back? Or should I just
use plywood? Will pine/poplar sag more, so that I need consider
better wood?

These shelves will be 16 inches deep. I'm thinking of using two, or
three (maybe four?) pieces to make the panels. Also considering
installing in pieces, without glue-up. This would make the install a
bit easier. Shelves will be on cleats, in each side of the 22-inch
deep closet, behind the door trim, so getting full dimension panels in
there might be a trick without some edge gaps. I'm not going to
finish this out to furniture grade (plans are to prime and paint), but
won't make it shop quality either. (Don't infer that I'm less AR
about the shop stuff here g.)

Will piecing the shelves (no glue-up) make my span strength concern
any worse? If so, it's better to use fewer pieces per shelf, correct?
I think I'll still biscuit the edges in this case, just to keep the
joints even. Will biscuits break if edges aren't glued? Would loose
tenons or dowels be better here?

Or - am I worrying about nothing? 22-inches isn't that big a span,
right?

Thanks for any suggestions,
John Sellers


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Old May 25th 06, 03:10 AM posted to rec.woodworking
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"John Sellers" wrote in message
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Greetings wreck,

I need some closet shelving, and am wondering if a 22-inch span is too
long for 1x lumber (3/4-inch dressed). I'm thinking not, but wanted
your input before committing to the cuts.

I don't expect any heavy loads, just SWMBO's closet crap, etc. Shelf
spacing only 16 inches, so there's only so much she could pile on each
one, except maybe the top shelf.

Will I need to glue some edge pieces front and back? Or should I just
use plywood? Will pine/poplar sag more, so that I need consider
better wood?

These shelves will be 16 inches deep. I'm thinking of using two, or
three (maybe four?) pieces to make the panels. Also considering
installing in pieces, without glue-up. This would make the install a
bit easier. Shelves will be on cleats, in each side of the 22-inch
deep closet, behind the door trim, so getting full dimension panels in
there might be a trick without some edge gaps. I'm not going to
finish this out to furniture grade (plans are to prime and paint), but
won't make it shop quality either. (Don't infer that I'm less AR
about the shop stuff here g.)

Will piecing the shelves (no glue-up) make my span strength concern
any worse? If so, it's better to use fewer pieces per shelf, correct?
I think I'll still biscuit the edges in this case, just to keep the
joints even. Will biscuits break if edges aren't glued? Would loose
tenons or dowels be better here?

Or - am I worrying about nothing? 22-inches isn't that big a span,
right?

Thanks for any suggestions,
John Sellers

The usual suggestion for span is no more than 36 inches for 1x12 lumber.
You could attach a 1x4 to the wall to support the planks to add support.
The 1x4 will reduce the deflection and the internal stresses.

Pine will be fine. If you look at closets in most houses, that material is
what you will find (unless they really economise by using mdf).
Jim


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Old May 25th 06, 04:35 AM posted to rec.woodworking
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Check out "the sagulator" here - it should answer your questions;
http://www.woodbin.com/calcs/sagulator.htm
"John Sellers" wrote in message
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Greetings wreck,

I need some closet shelving, and am wondering if a 22-inch span is too
long for 1x lumber (3/4-inch dressed). I'm thinking not, but wanted
your input before committing to the cuts.

I don't expect any heavy loads, just SWMBO's closet crap, etc. Shelf
spacing only 16 inches, so there's only so much she could pile on each
one, except maybe the top shelf.

Will I need to glue some edge pieces front and back? Or should I just
use plywood? Will pine/poplar sag more, so that I need consider
better wood?

These shelves will be 16 inches deep. I'm thinking of using two, or
three (maybe four?) pieces to make the panels. Also considering
installing in pieces, without glue-up. This would make the install a
bit easier. Shelves will be on cleats, in each side of the 22-inch
deep closet, behind the door trim, so getting full dimension panels in
there might be a trick without some edge gaps. I'm not going to
finish this out to furniture grade (plans are to prime and paint), but
won't make it shop quality either. (Don't infer that I'm less AR
about the shop stuff here g.)

Will piecing the shelves (no glue-up) make my span strength concern
any worse? If so, it's better to use fewer pieces per shelf, correct?
I think I'll still biscuit the edges in this case, just to keep the
joints even. Will biscuits break if edges aren't glued? Would loose
tenons or dowels be better here?

Or - am I worrying about nothing? 22-inches isn't that big a span,
right?

Thanks for any suggestions,
John Sellers



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Old May 25th 06, 02:50 PM posted to rec.woodworking
Dave W
 
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I think the best way to answer this kind of question is to build a really
rough model and put representative loads on it. If the deflection is
acceptable .....great. I have a feeling that plywood will deflect more than
solid (soft) wood. You don't need biscuits.
Dave



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Old May 25th 06, 06:28 PM posted to rec.woodworking
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 19:21:53 -0400, "John Sellers"
wrote:


Greetings wreck,

I need some closet shelving, and am wondering if a 22-inch span is too
long for 1x lumber (3/4-inch dressed). I'm thinking not, but wanted
your input before committing to the cuts.

I don't expect any heavy loads, just SWMBO's closet crap, etc. Shelf
spacing only 16 inches, so there's only so much she could pile on each
one, except maybe the top shelf.

Will I need to glue some edge pieces front and back? Or should I just
use plywood? Will pine/poplar sag more, so that I need consider
better wood?

These shelves will be 16 inches deep. I'm thinking of using two, or
three (maybe four?) pieces to make the panels. Also considering
installing in pieces, without glue-up. This would make the install a
bit easier. Shelves will be on cleats, in each side of the 22-inch
deep closet, behind the door trim, so getting full dimension panels in
there might be a trick without some edge gaps. I'm not going to
finish this out to furniture grade (plans are to prime and paint), but
won't make it shop quality either. (Don't infer that I'm less AR
about the shop stuff here g.)

Will piecing the shelves (no glue-up) make my span strength concern
any worse? If so, it's better to use fewer pieces per shelf, correct?
I think I'll still biscuit the edges in this case, just to keep the
joints even. Will biscuits break if edges aren't glued? Would loose
tenons or dowels be better here?

Or - am I worrying about nothing? 22-inches isn't that big a span,
right?

Thanks for any suggestions,
John Sellers



A 22-inch span is nothing to be concerned about for typical loads.
Three-quarter inch thick ply or solid wood will work. I'm not
certain about your plan of installing pieces, which will weaken the
shelving unless spline/glue or something else is used. A 1.5" solid
wood lip on the front will greatly add to the strength.


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