Table side apron grain...
 

I built the table below to donate to a charity auction (hopefully it will
bring more than the cost of the wood...). We are storing it our living room
temporarily, and my wife wants another one just like it; only in mahogany
rather than butternut.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~toller/table.jpg

I picked up some 50" "shorts". After making the top and the shelf I will
have some really wide short scraps left over. I could use them to make the
side pieces, so that the grain direction will be the same as the top and
shelf. I realize that they will be much weaker than if the grain ran the
other way, but it would allow me to glue the top and shelf in since movement
would not be an issue. I "think" that would add more strength than the
sides would take away.

What do you think? Cabinets are built that way, why not tables?

Table side apron grain...
 

Toller wrote:

I picked up some 50" "shorts". After making the top and the shelf I
will have some really wide short scraps left over. I could use them
to make the side pieces, so that the grain direction will be the same
as the top and shelf. I realize that they will be much weaker than
if the grain ran the other way, but it would allow me to glue the top
and shelf in since movement would not be an issue. I "think" that
would add more strength than the sides would take away.

What do you think?

I think it would be OK
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Cabinets are built that way, why not tables?

Cabinets have bigger sides?

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Table side apron grain...
 

"Toller" wrote in message
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I picked up some 50" "shorts". After making the top and the shelf I will
have some really wide short scraps left over. I could use them to make
the side pieces, so that the grain direction will be the same as the top
and shelf. I realize that they will be much weaker than if the grain ran
the other way, but it would allow me to glue the top and shelf in since
movement would not be an issue. I "think" that would add more strength
than the sides would take away.

Nope, reason it's not done is that if you get the slightest racking stress,
you crack your short-grained "apron." Now if you had full-length aprons -
all the way to the floor, box or dovetail carcass joinery would be fine.


Take a 1 1/2 piece a foot long and smack it in the middle. Dollars to
dogturds it breaks.

Table side apron grain...
 

In article , George@least says...
Nope, reason it's not done is that if you get the slightest racking stress,
you crack your short-grained "apron." Now if you had full-length aprons -
all the way to the floor, box or dovetail carcass joinery would be fine.


Take a 1 1/2 piece a foot long and smack it in the middle. Dollars to
dogturds it breaks.

Aside from the strength issues, it will just look somewhat "wrong".
Even if people can't put their finger on it, something will just feel
off about the table. Certainly mahogany grain will not be as pronounced
as the butternut or a wood like oak, so perhaps it won't be too
noticeable.

Table side apron grain... 2nd thoughts
 

Toller wrote:
I built the table below to donate to a charity auction (hopefully it
will bring more than the cost of the wood...). We are storing it our
living room temporarily, and my wife wants another one just like it;
only in mahogany rather than butternut.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~toller/table.jpg

I picked up some 50" "shorts". After making the top and the shelf I
will have some really wide short scraps left over. I could use them
to make the side pieces, so that the grain direction will be the same
as the top and shelf. I realize that they will be much weaker than
if the grain ran the other way, but it would allow me to glue the top
and shelf in since movement would not be an issue. I "think" that
would add more strength than the sides would take away.

Everybody else seems to think that vertical grain ends are going to
introduce "strength" problems. The table is small and the two aprons on
each end are supported by spindles between them, the legs and by the top
or shelf.

It is true that the table would be weaker than it would be if the apron
was "normal" but how strong does a table like this have to be? I
guarantee you that what you propose isn't going to have any practical
effect.

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Thanks for your answers...On more queston
 

"Toller" wrote in message
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I built the table below to donate to a charity auction (hopefully it will
bring more than the cost of the wood...). We are storing it our living
room temporarily, and my wife wants another one just like it; only in
mahogany rather than butternut.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~toller/table.jpg

I picked up some 50" "shorts". After making the top and the shelf I will
have some really wide short scraps left over. I could use them to make
the side pieces, so that the grain direction will be the same as the top
and shelf. I realize that they will be much weaker than if the grain ran
the other way, but it would allow me to glue the top and shelf in since
movement would not be an issue. I "think" that would add more strength
than the sides would take away.

What do you think? Cabinets are built that way, why not tables?

Well, I think I agree with dadiOH that it will have adequate strength; but
after looking at other tables and cabinets, I also agree with Mark and Josh
that it won't look right. Grain always runs the long way, but on these it
will run the short way. Since ribbon figure is pretty striking, the effect
will be pronounced.

As a fall back position, how about using botton side pieces perpendicular to
the top, but using the cut off scraps for the top side pieces; gluing the
top down, but letting the shelf float?
There will be no movement between the top and the sides, so that will be
fine.
The top side pieces will have movement of 1/8", but the bottom side pieces
will not move. That will be about a 1 degree flex, but it will be split
between the two sides, so it will be 1/2 degree on each side. Is that close
enough to nothing to not bother the joints? I was planning on gluing and
pocket screwing them.

Thanks for your answers...On more queston
 

"Toller" wrote in message

Well, I think I agree with dadiOH that it will have adequate strength; but
after looking at other tables and cabinets, I also agree with Mark and
Josh
that it won't look right. Grain always runs the long way, but on these it
will run the short way. Since ribbon figure is pretty striking, the
effect
will be pronounced.

This is done on table aprons on a lot of period pieces, particularly French,
but is always veneered. If you really want the look of vertical grain, that
is the way to do it.

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