New tool idea -- need your opinions! (Hint: one machine instead of a planer AND A jointer)
 

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:42:43 -0800, Nobody
scribbled:

Assume, for the sake of argument, that kickback ain't a problem. And,
thus, the powerfeed, and compression of the workpiece, ain't a problem.

Pretend there's, say, Luke Skywalker's lightsaber suspended in there, and
all you have to do is run the board through on a flat table, slice the top
off perfectly level, flip it over, lower the lightsaber to
spec'd thickness, and run the board through again. BINGO! (Except for the
burn marks.)

Does that idea make everybody's conceptual problems go away?

Now, let's assume, as the old joke about economists goes, that I actually
HAVE a lightsaber....

Ok, your lightsabre is intriguing. Once you've filed your patent and
it's no longer a "Nukleer Seekrit", come back and tell us about it.
I'm sure we'll all be very interested and you will no doubt get a
bunch of pointers.

As an economist, I can appreciate the joke. To try to do a market
study at this point is a little prematu assuming a can opener won't
get the can opened. Besides, this economist doesn't take canned food
into the bush: too heavy for hiking and much better food can be taken
along. Anyway, who ever heard of people going into the bush without a
knife, which is perfectly adequate to open a can. So, show us the can
and we'll tell you how to open it.

BTW, don't brag about having an MBA, it gives you no credibility with
this group. :-)

Luigi
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New tool idea -- need your opinions! (Hint: one machineinstead...
 

On 11/21/2005 2:30 PM Nobody mumbled something about the following:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:57:10 +0000, Steve Peterson wrote:


"J T" wrote in message
... Mon, Nov 21, 2005,
2:31am (Buddy Matlosz) doth sayeth:
snip next time you have an idea, snip

Might want to research it first.

You can start he http://www.uspto.gov/. There is help for inventors
with a new invention, and you can check the patent archives to see what
has already been patented. Your patent has to be useful, but it also has
to be novel and non-obvious.

Once you have the patent application filed, you can go ahead and figure
out how to manufacture, distribute and sell it. If you thought the
original invention was a difficult challenge, you will find these to be
nearly insurmountable and it is where most new inventions founder and die.
It is a really good idea to find some company that can already provide
these functions and license the invention to them. Royalty income is a
nice addition to whatever you really live on, and keeps you from having to
spend all your time on activities that probably don't interest you. And
even if you like manufacturing, you may hate distribution or sales.

If you figure out a relatively painless way to solve these problems, let
me know. I have a novelty ruler that measures in astronomical units,
atoparsecs. Every amateur astronomer should have one.

Good luck,
Steve


Thanks, Steve.

I think I just posted something to the effect of: I know the patent
system well. (In fact, I've searched every possible patent in the
particular class I need, and have about 2-300 patents retrieved and
printed out -- I have a script that fetches them from uspto.gov and
converts them to PDFs.) I'm in Silicon Valley, have an MBA from a top-3
school, and know intellectual property law pretty darn well -- but,
sincerely, thanks!

I'm intrigued by your ruler that measures in attoparsecs (you misspelled
the unit) -- but I find 1.21483474 inches, or 3.08568025 centimeters, to
be an inconvenient unit of measure. That's just me.

By the way, how much do you weigh in yottadaltons?


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New tool idea -- need your opinions! (Hint: one machineinstead...
 

So, if the stock isn't being moved over/under whatever
is removing material and thus no feed roller and no
pinch roller, than the wood is held fixed and the
wood remover must move (assuming no light saber/
sabre).

There are handheld bandsaws as well as miter saw
type versions. The ones I'm aware of have fixed
"throats" and limited to maybe 6 inches - but that
could be modified. So a small bandsaw mill set up
meets some of the criteria - familiar to most
woodworkers, no feed and pinch rollers, no kickback,
parallel faces, no tear out, replacement cutting
medium in the $20-40 range . . .

Hmmm - most furniture parts are seldom longer
than four feet and boards much wider than 8 inches
and pretty flat are getting hard to come by and
this thing doesn't seem to require an outfeed
table but will require some platform to hold
the stock ...



It's the $250-450 price point.

Interesting puzzle. Will do fretboards and
will handle ebony....

In Silly Cone Vally e? I'm over in the Cambrian area
of san jose. If you need a beta tester at some point,
my e-mail address is real.

charlie b

New tool idea -- need your opinions! (Hint: one machine instead of a planer AND A jointer)
 

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:03:31 -0800, Luigi Zanasi wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:42:43 -0800, Nobody scribbled:

Assume, for the sake of argument, that kickback ain't a problem. And,
thus, the powerfeed, and compression of the workpiece, ain't a problem.

Pretend there's, say, Luke Skywalker's lightsaber suspended in there, and
all you have to do is run the board through on a flat table, slice the
top off perfectly level, flip it over, lower the lightsaber to spec'd
thickness, and run the board through again. BINGO! (Except for the burn
marks.)

Does that idea make everybody's conceptual problems go away?

Now, let's assume, as the old joke about economists goes, that I actually
HAVE a lightsaber....

Ok, your lightsabre is intriguing. Once you've filed your patent and it's
no longer a "Nukleer Seekrit", come back and tell us about it. I'm sure
we'll all be very interested and you will no doubt get a bunch of
pointers.

As an economist, I can appreciate the joke. To try to do a market study at
this point is a little prematu assuming a can opener won't get the can
opened. Besides, this economist doesn't take canned food into the bush:
too heavy for hiking and much better food can be taken along. Anyway, who
ever heard of people going into the bush without a knife, which is
perfectly adequate to open a can. So, show us the can and we'll tell you
how to open it.

BTW, don't brag about having an MBA, it gives you no credibility with this
group. :-)

Luigi

Glad the "desert island"/can-opener reference was instantly recognized! I
have an undergrad degree in economics, from which I mostly remember (a) as
per Father Guido Sarducci's Five-a Minute University, "Supply and Demand"
(and maybe guns-and-butter), (b) IS-LM ... ummm ... one's like ...
monetary... flow-y ... things, and the other is, like ... ummm ...
products and stuff?; and (c) most people who offer up their opinions on
national affairs should have taken at least basic econ before so doing. ;-)

And - I wasn't meaning to brag about the MBA. It's actually sort of
hanging, dusty (sawdust, of course) and unused, on my wall - I might sell
it on eBay for the $60k (USD) it cost me. The point was to fend off all
the "invention advice" that gets offered up at the drop of a hat whenever
anyone mentions Inventions in any gathering of two or more Men Who Like To
Make Things.

Especially if any of them have beards. Or still have a slide rule in a
drawer, somewhere. Red Green comes to mind. ;-)

Finally -- looked at the torsion box and Galleria project. I bow to you.
Andrew

New tool idea -- need your opinions! (Hint: one machineinstead...
 

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:29:12 -0800, charlie b wrote:

So, if the stock isn't being moved over/under whatever is removing
material and thus no feed roller and no pinch roller, than the wood is
held fixed and the wood remover must move (assuming no light saber/
sabre).

There are handheld bandsaws as well as miter saw type versions. The ones
I'm aware of have fixed "throats" and limited to maybe 6 inches - but
that could be modified. So a small bandsaw mill set up meets some of the
criteria - familiar to most woodworkers, no feed and pinch rollers, no
kickback, parallel faces, no tear out, replacement cutting medium in the
$20-40 range . . .

Hmmm - most furniture parts are seldom longer than four feet and boards
much wider than 8 inches and pretty flat are getting hard to come by and
this thing doesn't seem to require an outfeed table but will require some
platform to hold the stock ...



It's the $250-450 price point.

Interesting puzzle. Will do fretboards and will handle ebony....

In Silly Cone Vally e? I'm over in the Cambrian area of san jose. If you
need a beta tester at some point, my e-mail address is real.

charlie b

"Bandsaw mill" -- nice guess (as it turns out, way off base, but based on
my lightsaber analogy, a pretty darn reasonable guess). The only major
problem with that guess is the smooth-finish part -- even with the best
blades I've bought, my bandsaw still gives me a finish that needs to go
straight to the (80-grit) belt sander.

You put a cart before a horse in the first bit -- just because it doesn't
use a conventional feed/pinch roller doesn't mean it doesn't have ANY feed
mechanism. The light saber is fixed; the wood moves through/under it.

I don't mean to be playing cat-and-mouse -- it's just that I need to avoid
publicly disclosing the actual key invention bits, but I DO want to answer
folks' reasonable objections when I'm asking "hey, wouldja buy something
that did X without doing Y and cost $Z?" (Otherwise, most of the
responses are "well, it can't do X!")

Yep, I'm up in Belmont, about 10 miles south of SFO (right below the 92,
about halfway between 280 and 101). Used to live in Los Gatos (pronounced
"Lass Gaddis" by the blonde enhanced shopping-wives who live there), but
the LOML works up in The City so we hadta go north.

Once I have a proof-of-concept built, I'll definitely drop you a line. My
good friend, tool-making and woodworking buddy, is
finally getting back from Hawaii and being assigned to Monterey (he's a
keptin in the Army, so perhaps we could all get together and make dust,
drink beer, and swear, sometime, if our wives let us.

Andrew

New tool idea -- need your opinions! (Hint: one machine instead of a planer AND A jointer)
 

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 05:27:09 GMT, "CW" wrote:

That's easy. He'll have made in China.

"David" wrote in message
...
I'd be seriously interested, Andrew. I can't imagine you hitting that
low of a price point, though.

Dave

Only help a little, since his major competition will also be chiwaneon and made
in large quantities...


mac

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