I want to make a barrel shaped planter, with 12 straight sides out of 4 by 1 inch timber. The height of the planter is obviously variable depending on the length the 4 by 1's are cut.

I can mitre the edges, but my problem is what is the best way to join them? Bearing in mind the pressure will be from inside to out, thus always trying to force the joints apart. I do not want to put any banding round the planter and wondered if anyone can suggest a better alternative to biscuit joints.

Oldun

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I want to make a barrel shaped planter, with 12 straight sides out of 4 by
1 inch timber.
The height of the planter is obviously variable depending on the length
the 4 by 1's are cut.

I can mitre the edges, but my problem is what is the best way to join
them?

A birdmouth joint will probably be your best bet ... often cut with a
"birdmouth" router bit, or on a shaper. DAGS.

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"Oldun" wrote in message news:
I want to make a barrel shaped planter, with 12 straight sides out of 4 by
1 inch timber. The
he4ight of the planter is obviously variable depending on the length the 4
by 1's are cut.

This is the bird's mouth joinery bit that Swingman mentioned
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...60&cat=1,46168

You might also consider a flute and bead bits.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...168,46184&ap=1

Thanks Upscale, the birdmouth joinery looks very interesting.

Oldun

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"Oldun" wrote in message news:
I want to make a barrel shaped planter, with 12 straight sides out of 4
by
1 inch timber. The
he4ight of the planter is obviously variable depending on the length the
4
by 1's are cut.

This is the bird's mouth joinery bit that Swingman mentioned
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...60&cat=1,46168

You might also consider a flute and bead bits.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...168,46184&ap=1

Oldun wrote:
I want to make a barrel shaped planter, with 12 straight sides out of 4 by 1 inch timber. The height of the planter is obviously variable depending on the length the 4 by 1's are cut.

I can mitre the edges, but my problem is what is the best way to join them? Bearing in mind the pressure will be from inside to out, thus always trying to force the joints apart. I do not want to put any banding round the planter and wondered if anyone can suggest a better alternative to biscuit joints.

Oldun

unless the wooden parts are decorative only and the plants/dirt are
held in a separate inside container you are going to need bands of some
sort.

The birds mouth joints don't offer a smooth transition on the outer
face. They are usually used when the piece will also be shaped via
turning or planing. They are not that strong from an internal pressure
resitance point of view either.

You might consider splines\loose tennons. After you miter the edges of
the slats, rip an 1/8th inch dado down the entire length of each edge
about 3/4" deep. Then make 1/8" x 1 1/4 strips (I would use White Oak)
and glue them in using waterproof glue.

For added strength you could go for wider dados\splines, I just like
1/8" because of the obvious ability to do it with the TS blade. You
could also add screws or dowels from the inside to really lock in the
splines.

I'm sure Kreg would encourage doing it with 136 pocket screws.

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Asking about barrel-building...

Which prompts me to ask--anyone else get Roy's show last weekend w/ the
guy from NY (whose name, unfortunately I didn't get as I didn't get to
see either the beginning nor the complete end of the show) who's a
cooper? Demonstrated making a small bucket--really nice!

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Thanks

Oldun

"Oldun" wrote in message

Thanks

Don't discount the birds mouth joint for your planter. In my experience with
it, a properly glued joint of that type is sufficiently strong (stronger
than a miter joint) and attractive, particularly with 1 x 4 slats, for a
good size planter, and _much_ easier to assemble and clamp by yourself than
mitering the slats, even with the use of splines. And if done properly, it
won't need to be "turned" to look good ... ask any wooden boat builder worth
his salt about both strength and looks.

If you do decide to go with a mitered slats, with or without splines, and if
you're not jigged up for the job (which is doubtful or you wouldn't have
asked the question), get some help ... you will be glad of at least two, or
more, pair of hands when it comes to glue up with that method.

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OK I think I know what you mean. My text was all sent as HTML and now
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Let me know if this has cured the problem.

Apologies to all.

Oldun

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From: "Oldun"
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I pasted info from your posting header above...as you can see it was a
multipart message which shows up in text-based newsreaders as an
attachment. It's just much more inconvenient as nesgroups other than
..bin are for text only. Not using OE I don't know precisely the menu
items to modify to unset it, but I'm sure others can...

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OK I think I know what you mean. My text was all sent as HTML and now
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Yes, much better...now if you'll not top-post...

Your suggestion brings forth the question "Is there a source for name
to visual aid for joints?". Haven't looked in Tage Frid Teaches
Woodworking yet but intend to (if I can remember).

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:25:41 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:

Don't discount the birds mouth joint for your planter.