For years, I been using Elmer's WW'ing Glue. Then for about less than a
year, I stopped with WW'ing (school and other things). Now, I am back
(raised panels this time). As I was playing around with samples, I
realized all my glues (including the Gorilla) were all dried up. So, a
quick run to Rockler and bought a 4oz regular Titebond glue. I noticed
Titebond expand their selections. So, few questions for those who may
experienced the new stuff.

1) Titebond Dark Wood Glue, is it good for red oak? Just want to know if
it helps with the color or not?

2) Titebond Original Wood Glue, same thing as Elmer's WW'ing Glue.

3) Titebond II (and III) is for outdoor and waterproofing.

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue. So, I should do the same for
Elmer's, just like Gorilla Glue emphasis it?

I have not used Gorilla Glue (only once, it was free). I wonder if I
should use Gorilla Glue for red oak, that it would act as a filler too in
gaps we overlook? Does the Gorilla Glue swell the work (move the wood?)
or it only bubbles out of joints?

I am feeling about switching to Titebond Original, but it's not an issue.

Chuck

Never use Gorilla to fill gaps for structural reasons, as it doesn't
provide any strength in the foamy portion. You need good tight joints
when using Gorilla glue just as with PVA. Use Epoxy to fill loose
fitted joints instead. (Or fix the joint before glue up time.)

Good question on the dark wood glue for red oak--I carefully clean up
the yellow glue from my red oak projects. I hate it when I miss a spot!

Dave

CNT wrote:

For years, I been using Elmer's WW'ing Glue. Then for about less than a
year, I stopped with WW'ing (school and other things). Now, I am back
(raised panels this time). As I was playing around with samples, I
realized all my glues (including the Gorilla) were all dried up. So, a
quick run to Rockler and bought a 4oz regular Titebond glue. I noticed
Titebond expand their selections. So, few questions for those who may
experienced the new stuff.

1) Titebond Dark Wood Glue, is it good for red oak? Just want to know if
it helps with the color or not?

2) Titebond Original Wood Glue, same thing as Elmer's WW'ing Glue.

3) Titebond II (and III) is for outdoor and waterproofing.

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue. So, I should do the same for
Elmer's, just like Gorilla Glue emphasis it?

I have not used Gorilla Glue (only once, it was free). I wonder if I
should use Gorilla Glue for red oak, that it would act as a filler too in
gaps we overlook? Does the Gorilla Glue swell the work (move the wood?)
or it only bubbles out of joints?

I am feeling about switching to Titebond Original, but it's not an issue.

Chuck

Titebond makes a tintable glue, but I'm wondering out loud why one can't
tint TBII with water based tints like Wizard tints (very concentrated WB
dyes in liquid form by J.E. Moser).

Dave

CNT wrote:

Chuck,
I have several adhesives that I use for 'home' and 'shop'.

Typically, I use the 'Liquid Hide Glue' {a Franklin product}for minor
furniture repair. It is water soluble, because I know the chair might need
to be 'de-constructed' at some time in the future. Also it is the 'gentlest'
of my glues.

I have done away with the Elmers White & Woodworking because it is redundant
.. . . I have 'standardized' on the Titebond II {another Franklin product}.
It is used both on household projects and in the shop. Should some small
samples of III, gotten at a recent Industrial Woodworkers show, prove as
good, that will replace it.

For 'serious' work, I use EPOXY. Depending on the fillers I mix with the
resin, I have a VERY WIDE range of charistics I can create for the job at
hand. I can not speak with direct experience about 'polyurethane glues'
{like 'Gorilla Glue'}.However, my experience with polyester resin, and
examples from respected colleagues leads me to believe that the epoxy is
much the superior product.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"CNT" wrote in message
...
For years, I been using Elmer's WW'ing Glue. Then for about less than a
year, I stopped with WW'ing (school and other things). Now, I am back
(raised panels this time). As I was playing around with samples, I
realized all my glues (including the Gorilla) were all dried up. So, a
quick run to Rockler and bought a 4oz regular Titebond glue. I noticed
Titebond expand their selections. So, few questions for those who may
experienced the new stuff.

1) Titebond Dark Wood Glue, is it good for red oak? Just want to know if
it helps with the color or not?

2) Titebond Original Wood Glue, same thing as Elmer's WW'ing Glue.

3) Titebond II (and III) is for outdoor and waterproofing.

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue. So, I should do the same for
Elmer's, just like Gorilla Glue emphasis it?

I have not used Gorilla Glue (only once, it was free). I wonder if I
should use Gorilla Glue for red oak, that it would act as a filler too in
gaps we overlook? Does the Gorilla Glue swell the work (move the wood?)
or it only bubbles out of joints?

I am feeling about switching to Titebond Original, but it's not an issue.

Chuck

CNT wrote:

For years, I been using Elmer's WW'ing Glue. Then for about less than a
year, I stopped with WW'ing (school and other things). Now, I am back
(raised panels this time). As I was playing around with samples, I
realized all my glues (including the Gorilla) were all dried up. So, a
quick run to Rockler and bought a 4oz regular Titebond glue. I noticed
Titebond expand their selections. So, few questions for those who may
experienced the new stuff.

1) Titebond Dark Wood Glue, is it good for red oak? Just want to know if
it helps with the color or not?

2) Titebond Original Wood Glue, same thing as Elmer's WW'ing Glue.

3) Titebond II (and III) is for outdoor and waterproofing.

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue. So, I should do the same for
Elmer's, just like Gorilla Glue emphasis it?

I have not used Gorilla Glue (only once, it was free). I wonder if I
should use Gorilla Glue for red oak, that it would act as a filler too in
gaps we overlook? Does the Gorilla Glue swell the work (move the wood?)
or it only bubbles out of joints?

I am feeling about switching to Titebond Original, but it's not an issue.

Chuck

I don't recall whether the Elmer's WW glue was a white or yellow glue--I
never liked the Elmer's I did use very much so haven't used any for so
long I don't recall.

All the yellow carpenters' glues are essentially the same w/ only slight
variations. The dark Titebond is ok, but never saw any real need--a good
glue line will essentially disappear anyway.

The Type II and III are designed for exterior or wet/damp applications.
There's not much difference between Type II and I for cost, but Type III
is quite a bit more expensive. No reason to spend the money unless you
have a specific need.

I recommend against the polyurethane glues unless, again you have a
specific need. The only real needs I see is for truly waterproof
applications and for oily woods where they perform better. These glues
do need moisture to cure. I've never seen a recommendation to wet a
surface for aliphatics--they're water-soluble before dry and don't
require moisture to dry/cure.

As for the filling properties of polyurethanes, they expand on drying,
but it's by a foaming action..it is not at all a filling material. To
expect it to cure a sloppy joint isn't going to happen. The foaming, in
fact, plus the very long open time is a prime reason I really don't like
using them at all.

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue.

I have never heard of this. I checked out their website and don't see
anything there either. Can you reference your "question"?

http://www.titebond.com/download/pdf/ww/GlueGuideTB.pdf

The second sentence at the very top-left corner...

Chuck

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue.

I have never heard of this. I checked out their website and don't see
anything there either. Can you reference your "question"?

"CNT" wrote in message
...
http://www.titebond.com/download/pdf/ww/GlueGuideTB.pdf

The second sentence at the very top-left corner...

Chuck

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue.

I have never heard of this. I checked out their website and don't see
anything there either. Can you reference your "question"?

"Because Titebond Polyurethane Glue needs moisture to cure, lightly dampen
the joint with water before gluing"

Specific to PU types, including the Titebond PU.

--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com

As I read that it says "For Titebond Polyurethane Glue.................."

"CNT" wrote in message
...
http://www.titebond.com/download/pdf/ww/GlueGuideTB.pdf

The second sentence at the very top-left corner...

Chuck

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue.

I have never heard of this. I checked out their website and don't see
anything there either. Can you reference your "question"?

that doesn't apply to the blue cap version. Just the version similar to
Gorilla glue.


"Pounds on Wood" wrote in message
...

"CNT" wrote in message
...
http://www.titebond.com/download/pdf/ww/GlueGuideTB.pdf

The second sentence at the very top-left corner...

Chuck

4) As I read the Titebond website, they even recommend wetting the
surface with water for the Original Glue.

I have never heard of this. I checked out their website and don't see
anything there either. Can you reference your "question"?

"Because Titebond Polyurethane Glue needs moisture to cure, lightly dampen
the joint with water before gluing"

Specific to PU types, including the Titebond PU.

--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com