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Think these diamond stones are a good deal?
I think the close-up shot makes them look pretty look, maybe they could be used for flattening and hogging off metal or initial sharpening, any opinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4377140080 -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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I think the close-up shot makes them look pretty "look" ... oops ... naw .... "GOOD"? ... yeah that's better ... |
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AAvK wrote:
I think the close-up shot makes them look pretty look, maybe they could be used for flattening and hogging off metal or initial sharpening, any opinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4377140080 They sure look a lot like the HF ones. The price is about 3X as much though. Dave in Farfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15
for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Clint "Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message ... AAvK wrote: I think the close-up shot makes them look pretty look, maybe they could be used for flattening and hogging off metal or initial sharpening, any opinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4377140080 They sure look a lot like the HF ones. The price is about 3X as much though. Dave in Farfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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on 5/4/2005 1:25 PM Clint said the following:
Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Think he means the HF are the cheaper of the two. They BIN price is $45. I bought a set of the Harbor Freight ones, Think I got them for well under $10 on sale. I'm thinking around $7 or $8 which is probably less than the shipping the eBay seller was asking. Mine work just fine. I don't like a lot of what I see at Harbor Freight but they do have some great deals on items that you could almost consider "disposables." Sales staff are pretty decent to deal with too. I was going to by some diamond cutoff blades for the Dremel tool and asked for a package of them at $9.99. Clerk opened the showcase for me to take gander and whispered "If you come in here next weekend, we'll have them on sale for $1.99 - more often than not they are on sale for that price. Wait if you can." I did and bought what's probably a lifetime supply for way less than I'd have spent on the single packg |
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Clint said the following:
Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Unquestionably Confused wrote: Think he means the HF are the cheaper of the two. They BIN price is $45. I bought a set of the Harbor Freight ones, Think I got them for well under $10 on sale. I'm thinking around $7 or $8 which is probably less than the shipping the eBay seller was asking. Mine work just fine. snip Exactly. The opening bid is more than they cost at HF, tack on shipping and you're WAAY over their real cost. They're worth the HF cost, but I wouldn't pay what it's going to cost you to get them from him. Go over to www.harborfreight.com and look them up, see what it will cost to buy them their if you realy want them. They don't go very fine, 320 grit IIRC. Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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Damn, we need a HF up here in Canada!
 I'll have to check out somealternate sources up here... My first check (House of Tools) was $45CDN for a set of 3. Lee Valley (and I'm sure these are wonderful stones...) are $45 or more EACH. Clint "Joe" wrote in message news:0m9ee.55749$WI3.27330@attbi_s71... Here's HF's 36799-3VGA Diamond Life 3 PC. 2'' x 6'' DIAMOND HONE BLOCKS $12.99 "Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message ... Clint said the following: Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Unquestionably Confused wrote: Think he means the HF are the cheaper of the two. They BIN price is $45. I bought a set of the Harbor Freight ones, Think I got them for well under $10 on sale. I'm thinking around $7 or $8 which is probably less than the shipping the eBay seller was asking. Mine work just fine. snip Exactly. The opening bid is more than they cost at HF, tack on shipping and you're WAAY over their real cost. They're worth the HF cost, but I wouldn't pay what it's going to cost you to get them from him. Go over to www.harborfreight.com and look them up, see what it will cost to buy them their if you realy want them. They don't go very fine, 320 grit IIRC. Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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snip Exactly. The opening bid is more than they cost at HF, tack on shipping and you're WAAY over their real cost. They're worth the HF cost, but I wouldn't pay what it's going to cost you to get them from him. Go over to www.harborfreight.com and look them up, see what it will cost to buy them their if you realy want them. They don't go very fine, 320 grit IIRC. Dave in Fairfax Nooooooo... the ones on HF are 2"x6", eBay 3"x8", both go to 360 grit DUDE! If I get them on eBay the cost totals to about $25, with handling (HF does charge a seperate handling fee BTW), tax and S/H at HF, maybe $3 less? Either way, anyone buying either is screwed-blued-tatooed and...* no matter what. I bought the big ones. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Clint $45CDN = $36US currently, considering two shipping payments it won't be cost effective (or barely) unless you have to have the 8"x3" size. To do that you might have to send someone quasi-cash via Paypal, then they do the bidding and recieving and forwarding for you. It would add up to about the same $ I think... -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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AAvK wrote:
Nooooooo... the ones on HF are 2"x6", eBay 3"x8", both go to 360 grit DUDE! If I get them on eBay the cost totals to about $25, with handling (HF does charge a seperate handling fee BTW), tax and S/H at HF, maybe $3 less? Either way, anyone buying either is screwed-blued-tatooed and...* no matter what. I bought the big ones. I bow to your superior homework. %-) I was going by what I remembered seeing them for, at the store. They mighta been on sale, 'cause I don't remember them being that much, and I sure didn't measure them. OTOH, I don't have to pay S&H at the store either. Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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The difference in the HF size and the eBay size I feel is insignificant. Why
would you want to pay 3 x's the price on eBay when there are HF stores all over the country you could go to and save money? "AAvK" wrote in message news:R0bee.15668$_K.7698@fed1read03... Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Clint $45CDN = $36US currently, considering two shipping payments it won't be cost effective (or barely) unless you have to have the 8"x3" size. To do that you might have to send someone quasi-cash via Paypal, then they do the bidding and recieving and forwarding for you. It would add up to about the same $ I think... -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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I bow to your superior homework. %-) definitely not I was going by what I remembered seeing them for, at the store. They mighta been on sale, 'cause I don't remember them being that much, and I sure didn't measure them. OTOH, I don't have to pay S&H at the store either. Dave in Fairfax I thought of that after I posted the reply, $12.99 is $12.99. But that 8"x3" size is worth it. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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The difference in the HF size and the eBay size I feel is insignificant. Why would you want to pay 3 x's the price on eBay when there are HF stores all over the country you could go to and save money? 8"x3" is much better than 6"x2"! And, it is merely twice as much. My nearest HF is 50 minutes drive from my residents. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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I got a set from H/F on sale for 8 or 9 dollars and find that the 2 x
6" size are plenty large enough to use on anything I would want to sharpen. I have found that the finest grit size is way to coarse to sharpen anything other than maybe an ax. Dick "AAvK" wrote in message news:VJbee.15672$_K.12375@fed1read03... The difference in the HF size and the eBay size I feel is insignificant. Why would you want to pay 3 x's the price on eBay when there are HF stores all over the country you could go to and save money? 8"x3" is much better than 6"x2"! And, it is merely twice as much. My nearest HF is 50 minutes drive from my residents. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 04:43:23 GMT, the inscrutable "Dick"
spake: I got a set from H/F on sale for 8 or 9 dollars and find that the 2 x 6" size are plenty large enough to use on anything I would want to sharpen. I have found that the finest grit size is way to coarse to sharpen anything other than maybe an ax. Right, their finest is 320 grit, and that's a stretch from what I hear. I'd buy a set of HFs to flatten a whetstone or quickly grind a new shape on an iron. They're excellent for removing metal. But I'd save my DMT and EZLap plates for real sharpening. -- "Excess regulation and government spending destroy jobs and increase unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over 150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR YOU WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. |
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Dick says...
I got a set from H/F on sale for 8 or 9 dollars and find that the 2 x 6" size are plenty large enough to use on anything I would want to sharpen. I have found that the finest grit size is way to coarse to sharpen anything other than maybe an ax. 2 x 6 isn't big enough for a card scraper. Gets cramped with a honing guide too. I thought the same thing about the grit numbers. That is three super coarse grits good only for removing nicks or changing a bevel angle. |
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Dick says... I got a set from H/F on sale for 8 or 9 dollars and find that the 2 x 6" size are plenty large enough to use on anything I would want to sharpen. I have found that the finest grit size is way to coarse to sharpen anything other than maybe an ax. Larry sez: 2 x 6 isn't big enough for a card scraper. Gets cramped with a honing guide too. I thought the same thing about the grit numbers. That is three super coarse grits good only for removing nicks or changing a bevel angle. That's the exact common sense I am using. Utilitarian. Basic. The beginning metal work, and flattening stones. 3"x8" is NICE size. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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I got the HF version a couple of weeks ago (I think it was $9 or $10).
I see there is a mention that one stone is 320 grit. Does anyone know the grits of each by color? It didn't say on the package. Thanks, Art Dave in Fairfax wrote: Clint said the following: Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Unquestionably Confused wrote: Think he means the HF are the cheaper of the two. They BIN price is $45. I bought a set of the Harbor Freight ones, Think I got them for well under $10 on sale. I'm thinking around $7 or $8 which is probably less than the shipping the eBay seller was asking. Mine work just fine. snip Exactly. The opening bid is more than they cost at HF, tack on shipping and you're WAAY over their real cost. They're worth the HF cost, but I wouldn't pay what it's going to cost you to get them from him. Go over to www.harborfreight.com and look them up, see what it will cost to buy them their if you realy want them. They don't go very fine, 320 grit IIRC. Dave in Fairfax |
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Art and Diane wrote:
I got the HF version a couple of weeks ago (I think it was $9 or $10). I see there is a mention that one stone is 320 grit. Does anyone know the grits of each by color? It didn't say on the package. snip The catalog says the progression is: blue coarse 180 yellow Medium 260 red Fine 360 Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 23:43:26 GMT, the inscrutable Art and Diane
spake: I got the HF version a couple of weeks ago (I think it was $9 or $10). I see there is a mention that one stone is 320 grit. Does anyone know the grits of each by color? It didn't say on the package. I remembered the wrong number; it was 360. From the HF site: --snip-- Comes with three color coded grits: blue (coarse 180); yellow (medium,260); red (fine,360). * Pieces: 3 * Size: 2'' x 6'' ITEM 36799-3VGA --snip-- P.S: Please learn to bottom post and to snip unnecessary text from your reply. P.P.S: Note to Hax: You can easily hone a 2" wide iron on a 1x3" diamond hone plate once you learn how. Can you say "figure 8"? I knew you could.  (2x6" is gravy; an aircraft carrier.)-- "Excess regulation and government spending destroy jobs and increase unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over 150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik VOTE LIBERTARIAN OR YOU WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. |
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Larry Jaques says...
P.P.S: Note to Hax: You can easily hone a 2" wide iron on a 1x3" diamond hone plate once you learn how. Can you say "figure 8"? I knew you could. (2x6" is gravy; an aircraft carrier.)But my comments concerned the size needed for card scrapers and when using honing guides. I've used a 2x6" stone in both of those cases, but it was far from ideal. |
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On Fri, 6 May 2005 09:18:13 -0500, the inscrutable Hax Planx
spake: Larry Jaques says... P.P.S: Note to Hax: You can easily hone a 2" wide iron on a 1x3" diamond hone plate once you learn how. Can you say "figure 8"? I knew you could. (2x6" is gravy; an aircraft carrier.)But my comments concerned the size needed for card scrapers and when using honing guides. I've used a 2x6" stone in both of those cases, but it was far from ideal. Why do you say that? I've had no problem with either task on a 2x6. My DMT 600 grit stone is the mainstay of my sharpening system and I haven't found anything I can't sharpen on it. (Though the inside of gouges do well with the diamond cone.) Hmmm, I use a General honing guide, where the wheel is off the stone. That might make a difference, but you could always mortise out a little pocket for the stone (or build up a block on a plywood flat) so it's the same height as your roller if you have an integral unit. shrug I've always found quick and simple ways to use the tools at hand, though I know not everyone is wired that way. ------------------------------------------------------ No matter how hard you try, you cannot baptize a cat. ---------------------------- http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development --------------------------------------------------- |
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OK, I understand about clipping unnecessary wording out of the reply. I
forgot. Sorry But why the "Bottom post" thing. As I read through a thread, I find it to be a pain to have to scroll down through the message to see the reply. P.S: Please learn to bottom post and to snip unnecessary text from your reply. |
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A: Because it breaks up the logical flow of the conversation.
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I think the close-up shot makes them look pretty look, maybe they could be used for flattening and hogging off metal or initial sharpening, any opinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4377140080 I just got the stones ("plates" really), the 3"x8" size is quite awesome. blue=180, yellow=260, red=360 grits, can't rub off the grit with my fingers so far. These are by_no_means "precision" and the steel plates are inaccurately aligned onto the PVC bases by just a little. They are flat enough for the early "cruder" uses definitely, not that I am an expert on judging this, but they "seem" perfectly flat. "BR Tools" on the card, "Made in China" on the back, no grit size markings on the plates. They seem like something that should be sold at HF perfectly. They are not worth the "BIN" price of $44.95, especially considering the shipping cost of $8.90, wait to bid at the end, everyone else does. I think they are entirely worth it. Clint, you should email and ask if they will make an exception, tell them they are impossible to find in Canada, and that you really need them. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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"BR Tools" on the card, "Made in China" on the back, I found them as a website which has the exact same logo of "BR" as on the package, "Big Roc tools"... http://www.brtools.net/ -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Princess Auto sells a set of 3 2x6 diamond grit stones for $12.99 sale,
$19.99 regular price up here in Canada. Will "Clint" wrote in message news:%Gaee.1221322$6l.627259@pd7tw2no... Damn, we need a HF up here in Canada! I'll have to check out somealternate sources up here... My first check (House of Tools) was $45CDN for a set of 3. Lee Valley (and I'm sure these are wonderful stones...) are $45 or more EACH. Clint "Joe" wrote in message news:0m9ee.55749$WI3.27330@attbi_s71... Here's HF's 36799-3VGA Diamond Life 3 PC. 2'' x 6'' DIAMOND HONE BLOCKS $12.99 "Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message ... Clint said the following: Are you saying the HF are 3x the price of the eBay ones, or vice versa? $15 for a set of three stones seems pretty cheap... Cheap enough to make me think about finding someone in the States to recieve them for me, and forward them up north. Unquestionably Confused wrote: Think he means the HF are the cheaper of the two. They BIN price is $45. I bought a set of the Harbor Freight ones, Think I got them for well under $10 on sale. I'm thinking around $7 or $8 which is probably less than the shipping the eBay seller was asking. Mine work just fine. snip Exactly. The opening bid is more than they cost at HF, tack on shipping and you're WAAY over their real cost. They're worth the HF cost, but I wouldn't pay what it's going to cost you to get them from him. Go over to www.harborfreight.com and look them up, see what it will cost to buy them their if you realy want them. They don't go very fine, 320 grit IIRC. Dave in Fairfax -- Dave Leader reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ PATINA http://www.Patinatools.org/ |
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Bottom posting is a lot easier on those that suffer from Alzheimer's. They
can read the prior post again to remind themselves what the conversation was about. "Art and Diane" wrote in message news:RtRee.53839$NU4.6335@attbi_s22... OK, I understand about clipping unnecessary wording out of the reply. I forgot. Sorry But why the "Bottom post" thing. As I read through a thread, I find it to be a pain to have to scroll down through the message to see the reply. P.S: Please learn to bottom post and to snip unnecessary text from your reply. |
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Larry Jaques says...
Why do you say that? I've had no problem with either task on a 2x6. My DMT 600 grit stone is the mainstay of my sharpening system and I haven't found anything I can't sharpen on it. (Though the inside of gouges do well with the diamond cone.) Hmmm, I use a General honing guide, where the wheel is off the stone. That might make a difference, but you could always mortise out a little pocket for the stone (or build up a block on a plywood flat) so it's the same height as your roller if you have an integral unit. shrug I've always found quick and simple ways to use the tools at hand, though I know not everyone is wired that way. Well, I guess we just do some things differently. I use the honing guide on the stone because I want the roller and the blade to reference the same surface. As I'm finding out, there are many and various ways to maintain the cutting edge of a card scraper, but most of them involve jointing the edge, and it is better to do that with a stone that is significantly longer than the scraper. With a 6" stone you will either be making very small movements on the stone, or part of the scraper will be off the stone most of the time. The bigger stones are just a better tool for this job. |
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Thanks for the update. I did e-mail the guy, and he said they won't ship to
Canada. I've got a few relatives down there, however, that might be able to work something out for me. Clint "AAvK" wrote in message news:qySee.26375$_K.1303@fed1read03... I think the close-up shot makes them look pretty look, maybe they could be used for flattening and hogging off metal or initial sharpening, any opinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4377140080 I just got the stones ("plates" really), the 3"x8" size is quite awesome. blue=180, yellow=260, red=360 grits, can't rub off the grit with my fingers so far. These are by_no_means "precision" and the steel plates are inaccurately aligned onto the PVC bases by just a little. They are flat enough for the early "cruder" uses definitely, not that I am an expert on judging this, but they "seem" perfectly flat. "BR Tools" on the card, "Made in China" on the back, no grit size markings on the plates. They seem like something that should be sold at HF perfectly. They are not worth the "BIN" price of $44.95, especially considering the shipping cost of $8.90, wait to bid at the end, everyone else does. I think they are entirely worth it. Clint, you should email and ask if they will make an exception, tell them they are impossible to find in Canada, and that you really need them. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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Thanks for the update. I did e-mail the guy, and he said they won't ship to Canada. I've got a few relatives down there, however, that might be able to work something out for me. Clint That's good, I hope you get the set. I found they are okay for use with steel, but don't flatten silicon carbide oil stones with them. I ruined my 180 grit doing it. The 260 grit is good for beginning a new flattening though, and these stones won't last a supremely long time either, while Norton explains their diamond plates will last a lifetime, which will be a far better investment. -- Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/ |
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