Glue up hell
 

Attached is a picture of the huge glue up I had to do on a toy box. 3 or 4
biscuits in all 6 pieces. I used white glue and there was good news and bad
news. The good news is that it set up slowly so I could work with it a long
time (I probably spent 20-25 minutes getting everything all glued and set up
and clamped). The bad news is that is it quite runny so it ran quickly down
my pre-stained surfaces. ( I prestained everything so that glue that I
missed wouldn't prevent uneven absorbtion of the stain). I wiped it off but
as you may be able to see from the picture, there is still residual glue on
there. I guess I will have to sand with 220 or 320 and possibly put on more
stain. I don't know yet. I will not use white glue again. It is a good thing
my wife was gone because I was using a few 4 letter words as only a
woodworker can imagine!

Glue up hell
 

"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
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Attached is a picture of the huge glue up I had to do on a toy box. 3 or 4
biscuits in all 6 pieces. I used white glue and there was good news and
bad
news. The good news is that it set up slowly so I could work with it a
long
time (I probably spent 20-25 minutes getting everything all glued and set
up
and clamped). The bad news is that is it quite runny so it ran quickly
down
my pre-stained surfaces. ( I prestained everything so that glue that I
missed wouldn't prevent uneven absorbtion of the stain). I wiped it off
but
as you may be able to see from the picture, there is still residual glue
on
there. I guess I will have to sand with 220 or 320 and possibly put on
more
stain. I don't know yet. I will not use white glue again. It is a good
thing
my wife was gone because I was using a few 4 letter words as only a
woodworker can imagine!



Dick - I feel your pain. When I glue up the rockers for a rocking horse I
use most of the clamping devices in the shop. Each rocker has 5 parts and
there is good potential for voids if not aligned well. This ends up being
one of those pucker momements. Luckily for me, I get to band-saw most of
the edges away so I don't end up with the run-out problems you have to
control.

Good looking project. Child, grandchild or friend?

RonB

Glue up hell
 

"RonB" wrote in message
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
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Attached is a picture of the huge glue up I had to do on a toy box. 3 or
4
biscuits in all 6 pieces. I used white glue and there was good news and
bad
news. The good news is that it set up slowly so I could work with it a
long
time (I probably spent 20-25 minutes getting everything all glued and set
up
and clamped). The bad news is that is it quite runny so it ran quickly
down
my pre-stained surfaces. ( I prestained everything so that glue that I
missed wouldn't prevent uneven absorbtion of the stain). I wiped it off
but
as you may be able to see from the picture, there is still residual glue
on
there. I guess I will have to sand with 220 or 320 and possibly put on
more
stain. I don't know yet. I will not use white glue again. It is a good
thing
my wife was gone because I was using a few 4 letter words as only a
woodworker can imagine!



Dick - I feel your pain. When I glue up the rockers for a rocking horse I
use most of the clamping devices in the shop. Each rocker has 5 parts and
there is good potential for voids if not aligned well. This ends up being
one of those pucker momements. Luckily for me, I get to band-saw most of
the edges away so I don't end up with the run-out problems you have to
control.

Good looking project. Child, grandchild or friend?

RonB


Thanks Ron. This is for my grandson.

Glue up hell
 

"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
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Attached is a picture of the huge glue up I had to do on a toy box. 3 or 4
biscuits in all 6 pieces. I used white glue and there was good news and
bad news. The good news is that it set up slowly so I could work with it
a long time (I probably spent 20-25 minutes getting everything all glued
and set up and clamped). The bad news is that is it quite runny so it ran
quickly down my pre-stained surfaces. ( I prestained everything so that
glue that I missed wouldn't prevent uneven absorbtion of the stain). I
wiped it off but as you may be able to see from the picture, there is
still residual glue on there. I guess I will have to sand with 220 or 320
and possibly put on more stain. I don't know yet. I will not use white
glue again. It is a good thing my wife was gone because I was using a few
4 letter words as only a woodworker can imagine!



I am happy to report that I was able to wash the toy box a couple of times
with a sponge, letting it dry between times, and all the glue dust came off
without resorting to resanding and possible applying more stain. I still
don't plan to use white glue again but at least the results were not quite
so painful.

Glue up hell
 

Dick Snyder wrote:

I am happy to report that I was able to wash the toy box a couple of times
with a sponge, letting it dry between times, and all the glue dust came off
without resorting to resanding and possible applying more stain. I still
don't plan to use white glue again but at least the results were not quite
so painful.

Glad the story has a happy ending.

I don't know any woodworkers that still use white glue. I always use
either yellow glue or Titebond Polyurethane Glue.

The trick to glue is to let it cure until it's solid, but soft and
squishy, then gently scrape it off with a chisel. Be careful not to cut
the wood of course. If you wipe it, you'll often force it into the
pores and stain the wood. Cutting it off after partially cured leaves
very little on the wood. Much easier to deal with.

The polyurethane glues foam up a lot, but are quite sandable. They'll
also give you a longer working time before setup.

So we can look forward to some photos of the finished product soon I
presume?

....Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb

Glue up hell
 

"Kevin Miller" wrote in message
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Dick Snyder wrote:

I am happy to report that I was able to wash the toy box a couple of
times
with a sponge, letting it dry between times, and all the glue dust came
off
without resorting to resanding and possible applying more stain. I still
don't plan to use white glue again but at least the results were not
quite
so painful.

Glad the story has a happy ending.

I don't know any woodworkers that still use white glue. I always use
either yellow glue or Titebond Polyurethane Glue.

The trick to glue is to let it cure until it's solid, but soft and
squishy, then gently scrape it off with a chisel. Be careful not to cut
the wood of course. If you wipe it, you'll often force it into the
pores and stain the wood. Cutting it off after partially cured leaves
very little on the wood. Much easier to deal with.

The polyurethane glues foam up a lot, but are quite sandable. They'll
also give you a longer working time before setup.

So we can look forward to some photos of the finished product soon I
presume?

...Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
I had chosen white glue for the slower setup time. Polyurethane glues would
have worked too but I didn't want to be scraping the foam out of all those
corners inside the toy box. Here are some (disappointing) pictures. In the
pictures it looks like I either failed to put my finish on correctly or the
box is covered with dust. Neither is the case (I don't think). To my eye,
the white blotches are not there but to the camera, they ARE. Huh.... In any
case, here is the finished box. I sure wonder why the photos look so
weird........

My kids have other furniture in my grandson's room that is made of birch
with a cherry stain. I'm not a big fan of birch because of the way it takes
a stain (sort of like pine) but they wanted it to match everything else and
so it does.

Glue up hell
 

"Kevin Miller" wrote in message
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Dick Snyder wrote:

I am happy to report that I was able to wash the toy box a couple of
times with a sponge, letting it dry between times, and all the glue dust
came off without resorting to resanding and possible applying more stain.
I still don't plan to use white glue again but at least the results were
not quite so painful.

Glad the story has a happy ending.

I don't know any woodworkers that still use white glue. I always use
either yellow glue or Titebond Polyurethane Glue.

The trick to glue is to let it cure until it's solid, but soft and
squishy, then gently scrape it off with a chisel. Be careful not to cut
the wood of course. If you wipe it, you'll often force it into the pores
and stain the wood. Cutting it off after partially cured leaves very
little on the wood. Much easier to deal with.

The polyurethane glues foam up a lot, but are quite sandable. They'll
also give you a longer working time before setup.

So we can look forward to some photos of the finished product soon I
presume?

...Kevin
--
Kevin Miller
Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb

Those pictures I just posted have been bugging me. I went back to the
basement and shined a bright light at about a 15 degree angle from the
surface and sure enough those marks are there. I had never noticed them
under any normal lighting conditions but the flash on the camera really
brought them up for some reason. I have more work to do!

Glue up hell
 

"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
Those pictures I just posted have been bugging me. I went back to the
basement and shined a bright light at about a 15 degree angle from the
surface and sure enough those marks are there. I had never noticed them
under any normal lighting conditions but the flash on the camera really
brought them up for some reason. I have more work to do!


If you don't tell, we won't tell; flash lighting can be brutal. Overall
nice job though.

Glue up hell
 

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
Those pictures I just posted have been bugging me. I went back to the
basement and shined a bright light at about a 15 degree angle from the
surface and sure enough those marks are there. I had never noticed them
under any normal lighting conditions but the flash on the camera really
brought them up for some reason. I have more work to do!


If you don't tell, we won't tell; flash lighting can be brutal. Overall
nice job though.

Last night I sanded and put on a third coat of satin poly. The marks are now
gone. I won't both posting another set of pictures because you get the idea.
I'm guessing that the same issues that birch has with taking stain in an
inconsistent fashion also exists for the poly. Those white spots were areas
where the poly had been absorbed into the wood more than other spots. What
the camera was showing was relative changes in reflectance from the wood.
The white spots were areas that didn't reflect much light because they
weren't as shiny as the rest of the wood. Who knew? Now I do.