oneway 2436
 

extras are extra and looks well used

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/6011731966.html

maybe a little high for a well used 16 year old lathe
if they throw in all the tools with the deal it looks better

oneway 2436
 

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/6011731966.html


Packard has this lathe new for about $6150. 2436 with 2HP motor, standard accessories. This guy wants to sell his extras and chuck separate. $4000 for a 16.5 year old lathe you can buy new for $6150? It looks used. Well used. Not saying that really affects this lathe. I believe they are quality and meant to be used forever. But it is definitely well used. Nothing new or fresh about it. He is asking for exactly 65% of brand new price. I sure wish I could sell everything I have owned for 16.5 years for 65% of today's new price. I suspect he paid pretty near $4000 16.5 years ago. So he has the idea he can use a machine for 16.5 years and get 100% of his money back. That rarely works in reality world. Maybe reality is different in San Francisco.

http://www.packardwoodworks.com/Merc...neway-20-24-ct

oneway 2436
 

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:05:11 -0800 (PST)
" wrote:

Packard has this lathe new for about $6150. 2436 with 2HP motor,
standard accessories. This guy wants to sell his extras and chuck
separate. $4000 for a 16.5 year old lathe you can buy new for
$6150? It looks used. Well used. Not saying that really affects

i have never paid asking price on craigslist and so he probably expects
a lower price

you always have to start your price high

also have to consider they may want to get rid of it all and will be
willing to include extras at no extra

oneway 2436
 

On 2017-02-23 1:51 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

extras are extra and looks well used

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/6011731966.html

maybe a little high for a well used 16 year old lathe
if they throw in all the tools with the deal it looks better


A new 24/36 costs US$4500 ex factory.
https://oneway.ca/products-category/...0-Series-Lathe

oneway 2436
 

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 14:52:03 -0700
graham wrote:

A new 24/36 costs US$4500 ex factory.

well then the price is consistent for a craigslist posting

that is.... it is unrealistic

pricing is an interesting topic and there are people that only
study pricing

probably a name for that profession

oneway 2436
 

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-6, graham wrote:

A new 24/36 costs US$4500 ex factory.
https://oneway.ca/products-category/...0-Series-Lathe

Your link is for 2000 Series Oneway lathes. Starting at $5893. I guess we will assume that is Canadian dollars at 0.762 USD per 1 CAND. 5893 x .762 = 4490. Or are they listing prices in USD? Don't know. But the $5893 is for a 2016 lathe with 1.5hp. 20 inch swing, not 24 inch swing. 16" length, not 36" length. 1.5hp, not 2hp. All of the USA retailers for Oneway are showing around $5900 USD for a 2436 with 2hp. I doubt Oneway is going to undercut its licensed dealers for lathe sales. So the web price may not apply to USA sales. No shipment to USA.

oneway 2436
 

For some reason I got 16.5 into my mind. The seller has owned the lathe for only 15.75 years. June 2001 until February 2017. I am positive that makes a huge difference.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 3:05:12 PM UTC-6, wrote:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/6011731966.html


Packard has this lathe new for about $6150. 2436 with 2HP motor, standard accessories. This guy wants to sell his extras and chuck separate. $4000 for a 16.5 year old lathe you can buy new for $6150? It looks used. Well used. Not saying that really affects this lathe. I believe they are quality and meant to be used forever. But it is definitely well used. Nothing new or fresh about it. He is asking for exactly 65% of brand new price. I sure wish I could sell everything I have owned for 16.5 years for 65% of today's new price. I suspect he paid pretty near $4000 16.5 years ago. So he has the idea he can use a machine for 16.5 years and get 100% of his money back. That rarely works in reality world. Maybe reality is different in San Francisco.

http://www.packardwoodworks.com/Merc...neway-20-24-ct

oneway 2436
 

Looks like tooling is supplied. Is it 3-phase ?

My Uncle had a BIG one and he turned Cowboy hats.
We have three. Other hats were simple.

Martin

On 2/23/2017 6:52 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 14:52:03 -0700
graham wrote:

A new 24/36 costs US$4500 ex factory.

well then the price is consistent for a craigslist posting

that is.... it is unrealistic

pricing is an interesting topic and there are people that only
study pricing

probably a name for that profession

oneway 2436
 

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:50:33 PM UTC-6, Martin Eastburn wrote:
Looks like tooling is supplied. Is it 3-phase ?


The ad says the chuck and some of the other accessories are extra cost. It only comes with the basic from the factory stuff. Tool rest, drive center, tail center, face plate?. It is 3 phase, sort of. The motor is 3 phase. It is powered with a VFD. The VFD takes single phase in on the input side and produces 3 phase power in variable frequency to run the 3 phase motor and give you variable speed.

oneway 2436
 

Good - Uncles was three phase... No VFD. It had a controller or
something that kept blowing up. I supplied snub circuits to him and the
problems went away.

Martin

On 2/23/2017 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:50:33 PM UTC-6, Martin Eastburn wrote:
Looks like tooling is supplied. Is it 3-phase ?


The ad says the chuck and some of the other accessories are extra cost. It only comes with the basic from the factory stuff. Tool rest, drive center, tail center, face plate?. It is 3 phase, sort of. The motor is 3 phase. It is powered with a VFD. The VFD takes single phase in on the input side and produces 3 phase power in variable frequency to run the 3 phase motor and give you variable speed.

oneway 2436
 

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:21:35 PM UTC-6, Martin Eastburn wrote:
Good - Uncles was three phase... No VFD. It had a controller or
something that kept blowing up. I supplied snub circuits to him and the
problems went away.

Martin



Unless your Uncle had 3 phase power direct to his shop, or used a rotary or static phase convertor to turn single phase into 3 phase, his lathe had a VFD. There are only a few ways to get 3 phase power. Rotary or static phase convertor. Three phase power direct from the utility company. Or a VFD variable frequency drive. The VFD has the advantage of providing variable drive for a 3 phase motor. The other methods only operate the motor at one speed, full. So the other methods would require pulley changes to vary the speed on a lathe. No variable speed with a dial button.

oneway 2436
 

As I recall his was not a VFD it was a Vacuum tube speed controller
using waveform shape. The parts blown were replaceable. He had
3-phase. He was very wealthy and built a 3 story metal shop for his big
motor home and the rest for an office and shop. Two others got smaller
machines in the class and had a little club. He is now at rest
in a family site on the property.

Martin

On 2/24/2017 2:19 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:21:35 PM UTC-6, Martin Eastburn wrote:
Good - Uncles was three phase... No VFD. It had a controller or
something that kept blowing up. I supplied snub circuits to him and the
problems went away.

Martin



Unless your Uncle had 3 phase power direct to his shop, or used a rotary or static phase convertor to turn single phase into 3 phase, his lathe had a VFD. There are only a few ways to get 3 phase power. Rotary or static phase convertor. Three phase power direct from the utility company. Or a VFD variable frequency drive. The VFD has the advantage of providing variable drive for a 3 phase motor. The other methods only operate the motor at one speed, full. So the other methods would require pulley changes to vary the speed on a lathe. No variable speed with a dial button.

oneway 2436
 

OK. He had 3 phase power straight from the utility company to his shop/machines. He used the device you describe to get variable speed for his lathe with a 3 phase motor. Not a VFD to provide 3 phase power and the variable speed from single phase power on the input side. I would guess devices now days that need variable speed and get 3 phase power on the input side have a better way to get that. Maybe a VFD can take 3 phase on the input side and produce 3 phase on the output side for the motor and provide variable speed too.


On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-6, Martin Eastburn wrote:
As I recall his was not a VFD it was a Vacuum tube speed controller
using waveform shape. The parts blown were replaceable. He had
3-phase. He was very wealthy and built a 3 story metal shop for his big
motor home and the rest for an office and shop. Two others got smaller
machines in the class and had a little club. He is now at rest
in a family site on the property.

Martin

oneway 2436
 

On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 23:48:09 -0800 (PST)
" wrote:

Maybe a VFD can take 3 phase on the input side and produce 3 phase on
the output side for the motor and provide variable speed too.

iirc that is true
the vfd is an interesting idea and a good idea

oneway 2436
 

Yes. It depends on the VFD - get the correct model.
Martin

On 2/25/2017 5:47 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 23:48:09 -0800 (PST)
" wrote:

Maybe a VFD can take 3 phase on the input side and produce 3 phase on
the output side for the motor and provide variable speed too.

iirc that is true
the vfd is an interesting idea and a good idea