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I am new to turning and am currently looking at three lathes available
here in Canada in my price range and am seeking advice from any and all who have experience with any of these models. King Canada KWL-1016C General International 25-100M Delta Shopmaster LA200 |
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In article , rasberry
wrote: I am new to turning and am currently looking at three lathes available here in Canada in my price range and am seeking advice from any and all who have experience with any of these models. King Canada KWL-1016C General International 25-100M Delta Shopmaster LA200 I've never been impressed with King, GI looks solid and I used to that Delta, but I would include in that the small Jet/PM (which I recall is available at some locations) -- -------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv |
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I'm a pen turner that is looking for unused pen kits, pen kit parts,
unfinished or broken pen kit pens, tools, or any pen making supplies. Need this for a volunteer project, must be inexpensive. Al To reply to me directly: Just remove "REMOVEandADD" from my address at -- Posted Via Newsfeeds.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Service ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.Newsfeeds.com |
Wanted: pen making stuff, pen kits or reject/broken pens
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"Al" wrote: I'm a pen turner that is looking for unused pen kits, pen kit parts, unfinished or broken pen kit pens, tools, or any pen making supplies. Need this for a volunteer project, must be inexpensive. Al To reply to me directly: Just remove "REMOVEandADD" from my address at Al... you don't need to post this every day, and what is your project? -- -------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv |
Wanted: pen making stuff, pen kits or reject/broken pens
Came from me in SoCA, USA?
I'm putting together a "learn to make pens" learning outing for Boys & Girls club. Al (never been to Belgium or Germany but I'm sure they are nice) BTW: Sorry for the double post. My first post left some stuff out so I thought I'd try it again, SORRY! "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:58:15 -0800, Ralph E Lindberg wrote: Al To reply to me directly: Just remove "REMOVEandADD" from my address at Al... you don't need to post this every day, and what is your project? Considering his message came from individual.net and went through servers in Germany and Belgium, I'm a mite suspicious. -- Posted Via Newsfeeds.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Service ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.Newsfeeds.com |
Wanted: pen making stuff, pen kits or reject/broken pens
I have 2 "news" servers. One is COX cable and it is terrible!!! I
subscribe to another (newsfeeds.com) that lets me access almost every newserver. What you are seeing is "newsfeeds" anonymous stuff. You can be as suspicious as you want... doesn't hurt my feelings! It also doesn't change the fact that I live and work in the San Diego area of California, USA. I suspect that I have been "lurking" this group longer than you have been posting here? In fact if you search hard enough you might find one of my rare posts from years ago? The world often turns out not to be as we suspect... Al "Dave Balderstone" wrote in message news:141220082138032123%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderst one.ca... In article , Larry Blanchard wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:58:15 -0800, Ralph E Lindberg wrote: Al To reply to me directly: Just remove "REMOVEandADD" from my address at Al... you don't need to post this every day, and what is your project? Considering his message came from individual.net and went through servers in Germany and Belgium, I'm a mite suspicious. individual.net is a fantastic, low cost, anti-spam, no binaries, NSP based at the University of Berlin, so I'd be suspicious if his post (and this one) DIDN'T pass through servers in Germany and Belgium. -- Posted Via Newsfeeds.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Service ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.Newsfeeds.com |
Wanted: pen making stuff, pen kits or reject/broken pens
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Larry Blanchard wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 07:58:15 -0800, Ralph E Lindberg wrote: Al To reply to me directly: Just remove "REMOVEandADD" from my address at Al... you don't need to post this every day, and what is your project? Considering his message came from individual.net and went through servers in Germany and Belgium, I'm a mite suspicious. So did mine, so what. -- -------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 05:08:14 -0800, Al wrote:
I have 2 "news" servers. One is COX cable and it is terrible!!! I subscribe to another (newsfeeds.com) that lets me access almost every newserver. What you are seeing is "newsfeeds" anonymous stuff. And your path today shows "MISMATCH". You may be perfectly legit, but I've learned to be suspicious of posters who hide behind anonymous and/or misdirecting news servers. If my suspicions are unwarranted in your case, I apologize. If you're just trying to avoid spam, try getting a decent newsreader with good filtering ability and/or open another account that you check infrequently and use that return address in your posts (as I do with fastmail). |
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This is the last that I'll post on this except if anyone has any questions.
The reason that I use newsfeeds.com is for the retention and the coverage. Many people use these servers for swapping programs and staying anonymous. I don't! Unfortunately I have no choice which features I like and which I don't care about. I like newsfeeds because if there is a newsgroup that I'm interested in I only have to fire off an email message (if they don't already carry the group!) and they add it on short notice. Also, I can ignore a particular newsgroup for months and always catch up with the postings that I've missed. That said, although it's been many months since my last postings, I'm not new here. I'm also not new to Usenet. I've been communicating in this fashion since 1989 when I had a university account. In all of my time on Usenet I've never been accused of wronging anyone! In fact, I still feel a little odd posting my wanted message. At one time time/space was so rare that posting anything for sale, for trade, or even wanted was severely frowned upon. Now it is the norm, unfortunately, and we have to wade through a mountain of s#1t to get to the nuggets if information and discussion. I often get so burned out by the garbage that I take a few months away. Al And your path today shows "MISMATCH". You may be perfectly legit, but I've learned to be suspicious of posters who hide behind anonymous and/or misdirecting news servers. If my suspicions are unwarranted in your case, I apologize. If you're just trying to avoid spam, try getting a decent newsreader with good filtering ability and/or open another account that you check infrequently and use that return address in your posts (as I do with fastmail). -- Posted Via Newsfeeds.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Service ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.Newsfeeds.com |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:16:28 -0800, Al wrote:
This is the last that I'll post on this except if anyone has any questions. The reason that I use newsfeeds.com is for the retention and the coverage. Many people use these servers for swapping programs and staying anonymous. I don't! Unfortunately I have no choice which features I like and which I don't care about. That said, although it's been many months since my last postings, I'm not new here. I'm also not new to Usenet. I've been communicating in this fashion since 1989 when I had a university account. OK, you've quieted my suspicions. BTW, before Usenet there was Fido and I participated in that. In fact, I started programming computers in 1956. So I'm not some young whippersnapper sniping at my elders. Although as creaky as I'm getting, I sometimes wish I was :-). |
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rasberry.... i'm a turner in Calgary and have been turning for a number of years now....started with an old coronet late...went to a union jubillee full size...sold that...got a jet...and now own a General 25-200....advise...if you think you may get hooked..look at the general 200 vs the 100...the differences are substantial...if you can justify the small price difference having variable speed and a more powerful moter, more weight, are well worth while....over the years the cost will seem incidental....this 200 machine turns as well as anything I have worked on...if you get hooked you're going to want to upgrade sooner rather than later....check it out and happy shavings to you!!!! Ken "rasberry" wrote in message ... I am new to turning and am currently looking at three lathes available here in Canada in my price range and am seeking advice from any and all who have experience with any of these models. King Canada KWL-1016C General International 25-100M Delta Shopmaster LA200 |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:45:03 +0000, KC wrote:
rasberry.... i'm a turner in Calgary and have been turning for a number of years now....started with an old coronet late...went to a union jubillee full size...sold that...got a jet...and now own a General 25-200. ....this 200 machine turns as well as anything I have worked on...if you get hooked you're going to want to upgrade sooner rather than later....check it out and happy shavings to you!!!! Ken I also have the 200 - you forgot to mention the swivel head and the outboard 18" swing. It's a great lathe. But General has had some problems with the speed control circuitry. My first one didn't work out of the box, the second one lasted for a year. I'm now on the 3rd and keeping my fingers crossed. But General is very good about service and is now offering a limited lifetime waranty. So if you're willing to take a chance on an occasional outage, it's still a great lathe. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:56:35 -0600, Larry Blanchard
wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:45:03 +0000, KC wrote: rasberry.... i'm a turner in Calgary and have been turning for a number of years now....started with an old coronet late...went to a union jubillee full size...sold that...got a jet...and now own a General 25-200. ...this 200 machine turns as well as anything I have worked on...if you get hooked you're going to want to upgrade sooner rather than later....check it out and happy shavings to you!!!! Ken I also have the 200 - you forgot to mention the swivel head and the outboard 18" swing. It's a great lathe. But General has had some problems with the speed control circuitry. My first one didn't work out of the box, the second one lasted for a year. I'm now on the 3rd and keeping my fingers crossed. But General is very good about service and is now offering a limited lifetime waranty. So if you're willing to take a chance on an occasional outage, it's still a great lathe. I too have the same General, the first controller failed even before I start using it. The company that's sell it to me replaced it immediately. Now, after using it for less than a month the controller look like it's going to failed soon. The two years warranty coming up very shortly, what should I do (call the seller or General)? Further, anyone know what's wrong with the controller and maybe replacing certain parts in the circuit board? Thanks |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:56:35 -0600, Larry Blanchard
wrote: Hi Larry, Did you also buy the bed extension, any good? Further, do you have any suggestion for a lathe duplicator for this lathe. I use this lathe for turn parts like pen and small objects? Thanks On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:45:03 +0000, KC wrote: rasberry.... i'm a turner in Calgary and have been turning for a number of years now....started with an old coronet late...went to a union jubillee full size...sold that...got a jet...and now own a General 25-200. ...this 200 machine turns as well as anything I have worked on...if you get hooked you're going to want to upgrade sooner rather than later....check it out and happy shavings to you!!!! Ken I also have the 200 - you forgot to mention the swivel head and the outboard 18" swing. It's a great lathe. But General has had some problems with the speed control circuitry. My first one didn't work out of the box, the second one lasted for a year. I'm now on the 3rd and keeping my fingers crossed. But General is very good about service and is now offering a limited lifetime waranty. So if you're willing to take a chance on an occasional outage, it's still a great lathe. |
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:35:15 -0800, Turner wrote:
Hi Larry, Did you also buy the bed extension, any good? Further, do you have any suggestion for a lathe duplicator for this lathe. I use this lathe for turn parts like pen and small objects? No, I didn't get the extension, but it's hard to really screw up what is just a milled chunk of cast iron :-). I have no experience or info on a duplicator. As I mentioned, I've been happy with General's service, so if you're having trouble call them. And if anyone who has one of these lathes is, or has a friend who is, an EE we'd all like to know what he/she thinks of the circuitry. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message om... And if anyone who has one of these lathes is, or has a friend who is, an EE we'd all like to know what he/she thinks of the circuitry. No EE but electronincs tech I am. Also a professional machinist ( more than you needed to know, I'm sure). The only reason(s) that I would ever own an electronic variable speed lathe a (1) It was cheap. (2) It was easily convertable to step pully drive. EVS is a (very, very) minor convenience. Speeds for turning wood are VERY non criticle. What are you going to do ten years down the road when it stops working and there are no replacements? |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:38:18 -0800, CW wrote:
are you going to do ten years down the road when it stops working and there are no replacements? Get it repaired? I can't imagine the kinds of components on the board (yes I've looked at it) becoming unavailable. In fact, the board looks a lot like some model railroad throttles - Hmmmmmm :-). Why did I choose this lathe? I have a tiny shop/shed. The only place for a lathe is on top of a storage cabinet in one corner. The General was the biggest lathe I could find that would fit in the space. By reversing the bed so that the outboard tool rest was on the tailstock end, I can turn an 18"+ bowl. Nothing else that fit would swing over 12". Because of the mounting space and my ancient back muscles, the swivel head is a great advantage. Turning outboard would have been almost acceptable, but even there swinging a tool handle to the far right runs into the wall. As far as the utility of variable speed, I belong to a turners association and I'd guess most of the members own lathes with variable speeds. We have demonstrations at every meeting and the speed control on the club lathe (Powermatic) always gets a workout :-). I can see where variable speed would be less needed for someone who mainly does spindle turning. Finally, the General was not only the biggest lathe I could fit in, it was by far the heaviest. That sucker just doesn't vibrate! And the price, while more than the other minis on the market, was a lot less than some full size lathes with less features. Those are my reasons. YMMV. I still consider myself a novice at turning, so nobody should take my comments as gospel. PS: A friend has the large General lathe and he loves it. It has not had any problems with speed control. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:07:25 -0600, Larry Blanchard
wrote: Hi Larry is your email real, like to email you? :-) On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:38:18 -0800, CW wrote: are you going to do ten years down the road when it stops working and there are no replacements? Get it repaired? I can't imagine the kinds of components on the board (yes I've looked at it) becoming unavailable. In fact, the board looks a lot like some model railroad throttles - Hmmmmmm :-). Why did I choose this lathe? I have a tiny shop/shed. The only place for a lathe is on top of a storage cabinet in one corner. The General was the biggest lathe I could find that would fit in the space. By reversing the bed so that the outboard tool rest was on the tailstock end, I can turn an 18"+ bowl. Nothing else that fit would swing over 12". Because of the mounting space and my ancient back muscles, the swivel head is a great advantage. Turning outboard would have been almost acceptable, but even there swinging a tool handle to the far right runs into the wall. As far as the utility of variable speed, I belong to a turners association and I'd guess most of the members own lathes with variable speeds. We have demonstrations at every meeting and the speed control on the club lathe (Powermatic) always gets a workout :-). I can see where variable speed would be less needed for someone who mainly does spindle turning. Finally, the General was not only the biggest lathe I could fit in, it was by far the heaviest. That sucker just doesn't vibrate! And the price, while more than the other minis on the market, was a lot less than some full size lathes with less features. Those are my reasons. YMMV. I still consider myself a novice at turning, so nobody should take my comments as gospel. PS: A friend has the large General lathe and he loves it. It has not had any problems with speed control. |
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agree with you Larry...i guess i got lucky with the speed control...have had
the machine for a little over a year now and no probs....as far as vibration...What Vibration??? I agreethis thing is like a rock Ken "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message om... On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:38:18 -0800, CW wrote: are you going to do ten years down the road when it stops working and there are no replacements? Get it repaired? I can't imagine the kinds of components on the board (yes I've looked at it) becoming unavailable. In fact, the board looks a lot like some model railroad throttles - Hmmmmmm :-). Why did I choose this lathe? I have a tiny shop/shed. The only place for a lathe is on top of a storage cabinet in one corner. The General was the biggest lathe I could find that would fit in the space. By reversing the bed so that the outboard tool rest was on the tailstock end, I can turn an 18"+ bowl. Nothing else that fit would swing over 12". Because of the mounting space and my ancient back muscles, the swivel head is a great advantage. Turning outboard would have been almost acceptable, but even there swinging a tool handle to the far right runs into the wall. As far as the utility of variable speed, I belong to a turners association and I'd guess most of the members own lathes with variable speeds. We have demonstrations at every meeting and the speed control on the club lathe (Powermatic) always gets a workout :-). I can see where variable speed would be less needed for someone who mainly does spindle turning. Finally, the General was not only the biggest lathe I could fit in, it was by far the heaviest. That sucker just doesn't vibrate! And the price, while more than the other minis on the market, was a lot less than some full size lathes with less features. Those are my reasons. YMMV. I still consider myself a novice at turning, so nobody should take my comments as gospel. PS: A friend has the large General lathe and he loves it. It has not had any problems with speed control. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:36:17 -0800, Turner wrote:
Hi Larry is your email real, like to email you? :-) Yes, but it's one I don't check every day. What do you have to say to me that wouldn't be of interest to others in this group? -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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I had no luck with the speed control.... see here for a brief on what
happened, and why I decided against General: http://www.backspacecomputer.com/blog/?p=59 "KC" wrote in message news:YDO8l.2017$Db2.1887@edtnps83... agree with you Larry...i guess i got lucky with the speed control...have had Those are my reasons. YMMV. I still consider myself a novice at turning, so nobody should take my comments as gospel. PS: A friend has the large General lathe and he loves it. It has not had any problems with speed control. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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"xcaper" wrote in message ... I had no luck with the speed control.... see here for a brief on what happened, and why I decided against General: http://www.backspacecomputer.com/blog/?p=59 "KC" wrote in message news:YDO8l.2017$Db2.1887@edtnps83... agree with you Larry...i guess i got lucky with the speed control...have had Those are my reasons. YMMV. I still consider myself a novice at turning, so nobody should take my comments as gospel. PS: A friend has the large General lathe and he loves it. It has not had any problems with speed control. -- It's turtles, all the way down I wonder if the origin of the General lathe you are talking about is not the same as this one. http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=CT128 I had plan to purchase it but after reading your comments I am having second thought. |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:43:54 -0400, Denis M wrote:
"xcaper" wrote in message ... I had no luck with the speed control.... see here for a brief on what happened, and why I decided against General: http://www.backspacecomputer.com/blog/?p=59 That's not the same lathe - we were talking about the 200, you're talking about the 300. But I agree you had a bad experience, the question is whether your experience was typical. -- It's turtles, all the way down |
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Denis,
The craftx unit is completely different then the General I tried. As an fyi - I owned the next version down craftx lathe (with manual speed control). It was an excellent starter lathe and I used it for 2 years non-stop. It eventually snapped the internal gearing used to adjust the belt position, and in all honesty, it was probably used more than it was intended to as a hobby lathe. No regrets here by having a busybee lathe as my first one. When the gearing went, it was, to me, time to move to something different, rather than repair the busybee unit. (I needed the motor for buffing) I then went to the lathe that Sears sells ( see Darrells site for some great info), and when I had to replace the belts after a year, I decided the price of the belts, and the associated annoying replacement procedure, was not worth having to do again. The sears unit now sits idle under one of my workbenches - I hold onto it as it came with the duplicator unit, and figure some day I may need it! : ) "Denis M" wrote in message ... I wonder if the origin of the General lathe you are talking about is not the same as this one. http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?NTITEM=CT128 I had plan to purchase it but after reading your comments I am having second thought. |
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Correct, its the 300 - with all the "commonality" across models, figured it
was worth mentioning. The kicker is I really liked the overall design of the 300, and the size was perfect for my needs. "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message om... That's not the same lathe - we were talking about the 200, you're talking about the 300. But I agree you had a bad experience, the question is whether your experience was typical. |
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