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Hello all ...

I am new to this group(s) but have been woodworking for over 30 years
and am seeking advice about purchasing a new wood lathe

I used to work with old single speed ... stationary head ... 1.5 hp
Rockwell 12 inch lathe I realize how much I miss it

Info that may help with your advice

* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)

* I have searched Usenet looking for recent similar postings

* I have been to woodcraft and they advise the Jet VS Pro
(JWL-1442VSK)

* I have compared features ... but it has been so long since I have
worked with a wood lathe ... I really feel I need the
advice of professionals

* At present I have no particular project in mind ... but in the past
I have done things such as bowls ... pedestals ... table legs ... and
stair rails ... so I am looking for something sturdy and versatile

What features should I look for?

* 360 degree swivel headstock?

* Variable speed (how variable)?

* Reversible turning direction?

As to Lathe tools ... Like any cutting tool ... the better the
quality ... the longer the edge will hold ...

Any advice as to brand would also help here ... I personally use CASE
or Miller Falls wood chisels and find them both to be excellent

What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap


Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...

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Thanks for the advice ... I never thought of used

Any advice as to what to look for?

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Any advice as to what to look for?


Unless you are in a very lathe-rich area, start with what you can find.
Be aware of what the recent cheap Chinese versions look like, and some
of the various names they might be called, and what they can be had for
from Harbor Freight on sale. Whether or not you choose to buy one,
paying too much for it stinks if you do. Likewise with Sears (there's
someone local to me that's been trying to unload one at more-or-less
list price for months - either daft, or patiently waiting for a sucker.)

But if you have a choice, avoid them in favor of (generally older) North
American iron - Delta, Powermatic, General, Yates-American. There are
some nice british Myfords running about - not too common on this side of
the pond, but quite good. I personally have veered into much older, but
that may not be for everyone (3 of my lathes are more than 100, and
perhaps 125, years old - 2 FE Reed's and a Faye & Scott). Now, if
someone happens to be selling off a One-Way, and the price and condition
suit, buy it - but that's a much less common find, simply because they
are much newer.

Unless & until you know more than you presently do, avoid metal-working
lathes - they are set up somewhat differently than wood lathes, and
modifying one for woodturning is a project best engaged in when you have
a lot better idea of what you are trying to do.

If you find a lathe, typically from either a "serious" shop or a school
that has a 3-phase motor, don't panic. Do try to negotiate a lower
price. Then go buy a 1 phase in, 3 phase out VFD (Variable Frequency
Drive) for about $100-$200 - you get a lathe that has a nice variable
speed system, and you don't have to have the power company rewire your
house, or go find a new motor.

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* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)


A grand will get you (at least for a while) one of these.
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011 Have to say, as others
are bound to, that it's only the beginning. If you recal the definition of a
boat as a hole in the water into which you pour money, you'll get some idea
of what we mean.

* At present I have no particular project in mind ... but in the past
I have done things such as bowls ... pedestals ... table legs ... and
stair rails ... so I am looking for something sturdy and versatile

What features should I look for?

* 360 degree swivel headstock?


As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else complicates things.

* Variable speed (how variable)?


You want good low end to keep your options open on out-of-balance stock.
How many speeds you want differs from how many you need.

* Reversible turning direction?


Why? Are you left-handed? Otherwise, you're into a lot of accomodation
like locking faceplates and such for "benefits" best described as marginal.



What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?


M2 is the common alloy. Lots of sources. You can get other, more exotic
types for big bucks, but I'd rather have a wider assortment than a
million-dollar baby.

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap


I like the Sorby handles all right, though the Crown/Hamlet/Taylor round
end handles are my favorites. When I make handles for unhandled tools, they
generally look like the Crown. Start with a set and learn enough to be able
to make decisions as to which tool you need next. Even the same name won't
get you the same contour between manufacturers.

Use every tool you can beg or borrow from other turners to see what you
think. Can't buy 'em all, and sometimes you end up jointing with a Jack and
rabbeting with a shoulder plane, if you know what I mean.

Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...


It's only the beginning.



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Here are a couple of thoughts about lathes in general and mine in
particular. They may give you a few insights.
http://www.aroundthewoods.com/woodtu...glathes01.html
As for tools, I make a lot of mine. I have been making Shristmas ornaments
lately and all the lathe tools I have used for those come from the shop.
While other opinions vary, I suggest a beginner get a beginner's set and get
used to the tools there. I still have tools from my first set, now over 10
years old, and use them. Some have different grinds now but they are still
used.
Make or buy a sharpening jig. Wood turning is the weirdo of crafts. In order
to learn to turn you MUST learn to sharpen. The jig will give you a huge
boost. Mine (not for sale, just to copy or remake) is over he
http://aroundthewoods.com/sharpening01.html
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* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)


A grand will get you (at least for a while) one of these.
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011 Have to say, as
others are bound to, that it's only the beginning. If you recal the
definition of a boat as a hole in the water into which you pour money,
you'll get some idea of what we mean.

* At present I have no particular project in mind ... but in the past
I have done things such as bowls ... pedestals ... table legs ... and
stair rails ... so I am looking for something sturdy and versatile

What features should I look for?

* 360 degree swivel headstock?


As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else complicates things.

* Variable speed (how variable)?


You want good low end to keep your options open on out-of-balance stock.
How many speeds you want differs from how many you need.

* Reversible turning direction?


Why? Are you left-handed? Otherwise, you're into a lot of accomodation
like locking faceplates and such for "benefits" best described as
marginal.



What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?


M2 is the common alloy. Lots of sources. You can get other, more exotic
types for big bucks, but I'd rather have a wider assortment than a
million-dollar baby.

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap


I like the Sorby handles all right, though the Crown/Hamlet/Taylor round
end handles are my favorites. When I make handles for unhandled tools,
they generally look like the Crown. Start with a set and learn enough to
be able to make decisions as to which tool you need next. Even the same
name won't get you the same contour between manufacturers.

Use every tool you can beg or borrow from other turners to see what you
think. Can't buy 'em all, and sometimes you end up jointing with a Jack
and rabbeting with a shoulder plane, if you know what I mean.

Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...


It's only the beginning.



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Just a couple tips on the used lathes.

Grab the spindle and try to move it up and down and left and right.
There should be zero play. If there is, bearings may be shot.

Turn on the lathe and listen. Any odd sounds coming from the motor or
the spindle?

If it has a rotating head stock, rotate it 90 degrees and lock in
place. Turn on the lathe and again listen.

Rotate the lathe back. Put a drive spur in the headstock and a live
center in the tailstock. Run the tailstock up to the headstock. Do
the points of the spur drive and live center meet or are they off a
bit?

Run through all the available speeds with the lathe on (if possible.)
Some lathes require that you move the belts with the lathe off. Does
the lathe run smooth in all speeds?


On Nov 4, 8:19 pm, wrote:
Hello all ...

I am new to this group(s) but have been woodworking for over 30 years
and am seeking advice about purchasing a new wood lathe

I used to work with old single speed ... stationary head ... 1.5 hp
Rockwell 12 inch lathe I realize how much I miss it

Info that may help with your advice

* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)

* I have searched Usenet looking for recent similar postings

* I have been to woodcraft and they advise the Jet VS Pro
(JWL-1442VSK)

* I have compared features ... but it has been so long since I have
worked with a wood lathe ... I really feel I need the
advice of professionals

* At present I have no particular project in mind ... but in the past
I have done things such as bowls ... pedestals ... table legs ... and
stair rails ... so I am looking for something sturdy and versatile

What features should I look for?

* 360 degree swivel headstock?

* Variable speed (how variable)?

* Reversible turning direction?

As to Lathe tools ... Like any cutting tool ... the better the
quality ... the longer the edge will hold ...

Any advice as to brand would also help here ... I personally use CASE
or Miller Falls wood chisels and find them both to be excellent

What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap

Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...



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I have had my Jet 1442 from Woodcraft for about 10 months and am very
satisfied with it. Cost a little less than $900. One very important
recommendation---If you get the Jet make sure they furnish the nylon washer
that goes between the shaft and a faceplate or chuck. If you use the lathe
without it, you will have problems removing those items without damaging the
internal pulley. Other than that it has served me well. As far as tools, I
was pretty well equipped because I had been turning bowls for over 10 years
on my Shopsmith. Just make certain that you get HSS tools. Mid-priced ones
are fine for a starter (Crown or Pinnacle, etc.)

Bob

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ALL

Thanks much for the advice ... Hope you dont mind a few more
questions / bits of info

INFO

* I did a good bit of turning back in the late 70-mid 80's ... so I am
not a complete newbie ... but am just looking for what technology
changes have occured that I can take advantage of ... now that I have
a larger budget

* I tried craigslist (use it all the time here in Colorado
Springs) ... most of the stuff were shopsmith (which I tend to
avoid) ... there was one really old (1950ish) Powermatic that looked
in sad shape ... I even tried the want adds ... which had none for
sale

* Now that I am making enough to purchase decent quality tools ... I
tend to purchase new (which isnt always better) ... but if used isnt
available I have to resort to new

QUESTIONS:

* Why should I consider the Nova ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011
) over the Jet ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5225
) ?

* With regard to "As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else
complicates things." can you elaborate on this? ... as it seems all
units now have 360 ...
personally I dont see much use for more than 90 ... or
even 45 ... from my experience

COMMENTS:

Kevin (my name as well) ... thanks for the 'kick the tires' primer on
lathes ... it is always good to know what to look for when buying
used

Ecnerwal - I live 1 block from a Harbor Freight ... and I use it
often ... but never for power tools from past experiences with Chicago
Machinery ... they just dont last ... wore out the bearings and
fittings on my variable speed drill press ... replaced it with a Delta
Industrial ... Wore out the slide mechanism on my 10 inch sliding chop
saw ... replaced it with a Delta 12 inch ... I wont even mention 18V
cordless drills

Darrell - thanks much for the primer and sharpening tips ... I used to
do my own sharpening ... but have lost the skills ... hopefully this
will help bring them back
I was going to pull out the 3 grades of Smiths stones
I use for all my blades

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:19:37 -0000, wrote:


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I can give you a biased opinion of the Jet 1442VS... I'm very happy with mine..

I'm a professional turner and have been using and abusing it for about 3 years
and it's still alive.. Pretty good recommendation, concerning I've probably put
2 or 3 times as many hours on it as the hobby turner would in several years..

It fits in your price range and is, In my opinion, a great value..

I was going to get the equivalent Delta lathe, which was over $200 less, until
my wife got on the web and researched user feedback from both lathes...
She told me that the Jet WAS worth the extra bucks and that I should go buy
one.. What a woman. ;-]
* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)


What features should I look for?


Big enough for present and some future projects and small enough to fit your
shop...

* 360 degree swivel headstock?


Over rated, IMO.. I so seldom turn mine...
I don't do outboard turning.. once in a great while I might turn a box or vase
20 or 30 degrees, to make it more accessible to long tools, but that's about
it..
Also adds more work, because I have to check the alignment when I rotate it
back..
All lathes say that they have pinpoint accuracy on the stops, or whatever, but
I'll believe that when I see one...
Rely on them and turn a pen or small spindle piece and you have lots of fun..

* Variable speed (how variable)?


In your (and my) price range, it's the Reeves drive or manual belt positioning..
Next step is electronic/digital and that doubles your 1k entry fee..
The jet is pretty good... has a few little quirks but you learn them pretty
fast, either on your own or here in the woodturning group..

* Reversible turning direction?


I'd like to have it, but as the 1442 was the most bang for the buck and doesn't
have it, I can live without it..

As to Lathe tools ... Like any cutting tool ... the better the
quality ... the longer the edge will hold ...

Any advice as to brand would also help here ... I personally use CASE
or Miller Falls wood chisels and find them both to be excellent

Chevy/Ford/Dodge.. don't wanna get into a ****ing contest.. ;-]
I buy mid-range tools, mostly at Penn State Ind. and they work well for me..

What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?


Basic 5 or 6 piece spindle set from $30 to several hundred, plus decent bowl
gouge, detail gouge and a few scrapers..

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap


Many quality tools come both handled and unhandled.. choice and owning a lathe
give you options..

Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...


IMHO, you should NEVER be sorry for asking questions... why re-invent the wheel?

I've been turning for almost 30 years and have learned more in this newsgroup in
3 years than I learned in the 27 before that...
Great group here and I've been taught, mentored, scolded and praised by a lot of
very knowledgeable folks..


mac

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QUESTIONS:

* Why should I consider the Nova (
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011
) over the Jet ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5225
) ?


The Nova has a a lower min RPM and a larger swing over the bed.

The Jet has a larger capacity between centers (you can get extension beds
for both) and is quite a bit heavier if you get the cast iron legs.

* With regard to "As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else
complicates things." can you elaborate on this? ... as it seems all
units now have 360 ...
personally I dont see much use for more than 90 ... or
even 45 ... from my experience


I think headstocks either rotate or they don't. The 90 vs 45 vs 360 is a
non-issue. I don't think I have ever been past 90 on my 1442 (with which, I
have been very happy). I rotate the headstock often. It allows me to get a
more comfortable stance. That said, most, if not all higher end (pro) lathes
do not have a rotating headstock, and the pros get along just fine.

I have never touched the Nova. Had it been available when I was buying, I
would have looked seriously at that model. FWW liked it in a recent review.

-Steve




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On Nov 5, 10:08 am, mac davis wrote:

IMHO, you should NEVER be sorry for asking questions... why re-invent the wheel?


Amen, Mac. In just about any skill or craft, you will almost
always find someone that is better at the whole craft than you are.
But you will ALWAYS find people that know different aspects, details,
and variations on the same craft than you do.

Why should you spend valuable time trudging through frustrating
procedures when you can politely ask and be helped though a problem
that is a tough nut to crack?

Besides, like me, many that do work craft type work professionally get
charge out of the fact that someone is actually interested in this
type of work anymore.

And this is a very unique venue on the net, too. The folks here are
more than ready to help with an immediate problem, more than ready to
share their experiences. With little of the usual internet static
that seems to clog these open forums, that make this an unusual venue
indeed.

It is important to remember than almost everyone has something of
value to offer here, and almost everyone could use a little assitance
on occasion.

Ask away, I say!

Or in some cases, muse away..... ;^) (right Big A?)

Lots to be learned there, too.

Robert


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QUESTIONS:

* Why should I consider the Nova (
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011
) over the Jet ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5225
) ?


Note the 450 low speed on the JET. Can get a bit dicey if you've got an
unbalanced design in mind or you've cut a piece of green wood that's been
laying on the ground wrong, dividing it into two half-dry half-soaked pieces
instead of one of each. At 180 rpm you can turn some strange stuff if
you've the patience, and at 360 you're still well below the 450 on the JET.
You also get the 2" extra swing with the possibility of tail support, a real
boon. The cheaper versions of the Reeves drives have some problems you
never encountered with the old-style monster Reeves types. Lot of
possibilities for misalignment and oddball stresses.

http://www.teknatool.com/products/La... pril%2007.pdf
Is a pretty good writeup.


* With regard to "As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else
complicates things." can you elaborate on this? ... as it seems all
units now have 360 ...
personally I dont see much use for more than 90 ... or
even 45 ... from my experience

Anything more than 90 would be to avoid moving the lathe, as all quadrants
are more or less equal. Turning without a tail support would allow you
larger pieces, but you certainly want to look much harder at low speeds if
you're planning 20" stuff. Faceplates, too!

COMMENTS:


I turned for years on a 46-204 Delta, a cast-iron monster with a low speed
of ~600. It was a pucker factor eight or above on some pieces, I can tell
you that. Especially outboard (180 degrees) with the left-hand threaded
faceplates and chuck. Now I'm on my third year as second owner of a Nova
3000, the predecessor of the 1624 44. Several hundred pieces later, I'm
happy to say he's doing just fine. I too lusted after "Big Arn," but
decided to take a fling with this guy at an attractive price. Got it from a
guy who wanted ALL the bells and whistles, who was replacing it with a
Oneway. Not sure how he's doing with it, but I know the one I got from him
turned a lot better after I aligned and snugged things in accordance with
the directions. Bet he still thinks he sold me a dog! Paid off the
purchase price at the first show where I was able to offer 15"+ salad bowls
at premium prices.

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You asked about the difference between the Jet and the Nova. As you
may be adding to your collection of tools (nay may but WILL be
adding) it's a good idea to think about the spindle threads, at least
for the moment. I have a Jet 12-36 and it has a 1 X 8 spindle
thread. Inserts for my chucks are readily available in that size. I
am uncertain of the easy availability of inserts in the 1.25 X 8 size
on the Nova. Just another datum to add to your growing list.


On Nov 5, 11:04 am, wrote:
ALL

Thanks much for the advice ... Hope you dont mind a few more
questions / bits of info

INFO

* I did a good bit of turning back in the late 70-mid 80's ... so I am
not a complete newbie ... but am just looking for what technology
changes have occured that I can take advantage of ... now that I have
a larger budget

* I tried craigslist (use it all the time here in Colorado
Springs) ... most of the stuff were shopsmith (which I tend to
avoid) ... there was one really old (1950ish) Powermatic that looked
in sad shape ... I even tried the want adds ... which had none for
sale

* Now that I am making enough to purchase decent quality tools ... I
tend to purchase new (which isnt always better) ... but if used isnt
available I have to resort to new

QUESTIONS:

* Why should I consider the Nova (http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011
) over the Jet (http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5225
) ?

* With regard to "As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else
complicates things." can you elaborate on this? ... as it seems all
units now have 360 ...
personally I dont see much use for more than 90 ... or
even 45 ... from my experience

COMMENTS:

Kevin (my name as well) ... thanks for the 'kick the tires' primer on
lathes ... it is always good to know what to look for when buying
used

Ecnerwal - I live 1 block from a Harbor Freight ... and I use it
often ... but never for power tools from past experiences with Chicago
Machinery ... they just dont last ... wore out the bearings and
fittings on my variable speed drill press ... replaced it with a Delta
Industrial ... Wore out the slide mechanism on my 10 inch sliding chop
saw ... replaced it with a Delta 12 inch ... I wont even mention 18V
cordless drills

Darrell - thanks much for the primer and sharpening tips ... I used to
do my own sharpening ... but have lost the skills ... hopefully this
will help bring them back
I was going to pull out the 3 grades of Smiths stones
I use for all my blades



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* I tried craigslist (use it all the time here in Colorado
Springs) ... most of the stuff were shopsmith (which I tend to
avoid) ... there was one really old (1950ish) Powermatic that looked
in sad shape ... I even tried the want adds ... which had none for
sale


Well, this week, or today - sometimes patience pays off. If you have to
have it now, dealers (new, and probably also used) await you.

I'd look at the Powermatic in person, if I were you (perhaps you did,
not clear). Depending on price, an old Powermatic and a new set of
spindle bearings (if needed) might be a very good investment. (Just
looked - price somewhat high, but condition looks good to me in the
pictures. Don't expect shiny paint and no rust in 50 year old tooling).
That will be a very solidly built lathe - much moreso than anything in
that price range from the last 20 years. A small amount of rust on the
ways is not a problem - some folks end up piling wet oak shavings on
their shiny new lathes for a few hours to get enough traction that the
tailstock stays put. If not severely worn and dinged up it would be a
good value, though not a low-price gloat. It is three-phase, so budget
in a VFD, and you'll have electronic variable speed and reversing
ability.

* With regard to "As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else
complicates things." can you elaborate on this? ... as it seems all
units now have 360 ...
personally I dont see much use for more than 90 ... or
even 45 ... from my experience


Swiveling is a way to put stuff "outboard" without putting it on the
back of the spindle. Allows turning slightly larger bowls than is
possible over the bed, and means the bed is not in your way. 90 degrees
is about as far as is useful - you're looking straight into the bowl as
you face the lathe. Going further, at 180 you have the bowl at the back
of the lathe, in the traditional outboard position (but with no more
access than you had at 90), and then (270) the bowl behind the lathe,
which is utterly useless, as far as I can tell.

Being used to the bed being there, I'm not bothered much by it, so
non-swiveling works fine by me. I gravitate towards plenty of room over
the bed to turn what I want to turn when shopping, though I do have a
2-1/2 inch outboard spindle that will swing over 6 feet on the Faye and
Scott. Given 20 inch inboard capacity, I have not used it so far,
particularly since I need to machine a custom LH faceplate for the old
non-standard large spindle. But it offers some possibilities in round
tabletop production...

I think the best outboard setup is what (so I understand) One-Way uses -
the outboard end of the spindle is also right-hand-thread, and the motor
reverses.

Ecnerwal - I live 1 block from a Harbor Freight ... and I use it
often ... but never for power tools from past experiences with Chicago
Machinery ... they just dont last


While some folks claim to be happy with them, I was more suggesting that
you be aware of what you were looking at when you went shopping than
suggesting that you buy one - though a Horrible Fright lathe beats none
at all. When cheap enough, it can be a handy way to get a cheesy machine
to dedicate to buffing, or the like, if you have space for that - keeps
the main one free for turning.

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WOW ... what response ... this is a great set of group

So ... if purchasing new ... it seems to come down to a choice
between

Nova ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011

And the

Jet ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5225

Any other candidates?


Regarding the Nova vs Jet

From my experience ... heavier is more stable ... and as I have
all of my tools (with the exceptions of a POS Craftsman radial saw) on
wheels ... weight is
not really a factor ... other than moving it from the
curb

I did notice the notice the difference between the 215/3630 rpm
(Nova) ... vs the 450/3000 rpm of the Jet ...

What about the HP difference ... 1.5 hp (Nova) vs 1 hp (Jet)?

Has anyone heard of durability of Nova's? ... I know and trust Jet
for sturdy durable tools

At present I am leaning towards the Jet ... if for no other reason
than the stability ... and known durability ... but that lower low and
higher high of the Nova are quite attractive

As for purchasing used ... I will have to see what comes along ... as
this is a actually my Christmas present from my dad ... so this
isnt an IF ... it is a WHEN

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That's a huge factor if you're not turning square-dry blanks. Low speed
is good for dealing with rough blanks.


Yea ... which I used to do a good bit ... start with a 4 X 4 (for legs
etc)


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Regarding the Nova vs Jet

From my experience ... heavier is more stable ... and as I have
all of my tools (with the exceptions of a POS Craftsman radial saw) on
wheels ... weight is
not really a factor ... other than moving it from the
curb


You probably noticed that each of the lathes in question is bolted to the
stand. Makes it pretty much moot what the particular stand weighs, because
you can bolt more weight to it, even up to the "big one" - mother earth.
Some people even build their own stand to better fit their shop. Red
herring.

Rigidity is a virtue. Don't want that turning flopping around relative to
the lathe, or the spindle of the lathe relative to the bed, or the toolrest
relative to any.... The important thing.


I did notice the notice the difference between the 215/3630 rpm
(Nova) ... vs the 450/3000 rpm of the Jet ...

What about the HP difference ... 1.5 hp (Nova) vs 1 hp (Jet)?


The HP is nearly as red a herring as the weight. You only need enough to
take off a shaving, right? And you, at much less than 1 HP can turn the
piece on its bearings, so the rest is potential harm to you.



Has anyone heard of durability of Nova's? ... I know and trust Jet
for sturdy durable tools


As I say, mine's got a bunch of hours on it, and I don't baby it. But I
don't hack wood, either. Those who do will likely have different things to
say about any two lathes.
At present I am leaning towards the Jet ... if for no other reason
than the stability ... and known durability ... but that lower low and
higher high of the Nova are quite attractive

As for purchasing used ... I will have to see what comes along ... as
this is a actually my Christmas present from my dad ... so this
isnt an IF ... it is a WHEN


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Just remembered another thing I've come to love about the Nova - the offset
toolrest. That extra inch or so of leverage a centered post requires you
give to a tool can be a real problem, especially if you're cutting at high
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No, not really. You're comming at it from a spinde point of view. 450RPM is
plenty slow for a 4x4 between centers. It's the 10-14" diameter bowl blank
of green wood that gets scary


Yea ... which I used to do a good bit ... start with a 4 X 4 (for legs
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Thanks again George

Ok ... so weight and HP should really be out of the picture

How do you feel about the belt changing vs the Reeves?

Do you think the Nova can be put on wheels? (vs a mobile base) ... as
the Jet can?

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No, not really. You're comming at it from a spinde point of view. 450RPM is
plenty slow for a 4x4 between centers. It's the 10-14" diameter bowl blank
of green wood that gets scary


Yikes ... yea ... I can imagine that would be scary

BTW ... I did find http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthr...Number=2812491
.... which discusses the 2 models in question ... and there are of
course pro's and cons to each ... I was hoping for more choices within
the price range ... but it seems there really arent any ... even
Grizzly doenst have something comparable until about $1300

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Hello all ...

I am new to this group(s) but have been woodworking for over 30 years
and am seeking advice about purchasing a new wood lathe

I used to work with old single speed ... stationary head ... 1.5 hp
Rockwell 12 inch lathe I realize how much I miss it

Info that may help with your advice

* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)

* I have searched Usenet looking for recent similar postings

* I have been to woodcraft and they advise the Jet VS Pro
(JWL-1442VSK)

* I have compared features ... but it has been so long since I have
worked with a wood lathe ... I really feel I need the
advice of professionals

* At present I have no particular project in mind ... but in the past
I have done things such as bowls ... pedestals ... table legs ... and
stair rails ... so I am looking for something sturdy and versatile

What features should I look for?

* 360 degree swivel headstock?

* Variable speed (how variable)?

* Reversible turning direction?

As to Lathe tools ... Like any cutting tool ... the better the
quality ... the longer the edge will hold ...

Any advice as to brand would also help here ... I personally use CASE
or Miller Falls wood chisels and find them both to be excellent

What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap


Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...

Most of the points have been already covered. I am not familiar with
either lathe, but something not mentioned: The low speed is good for
drilling. I sometimes use a large forstner bit mounted in a chuck on
the tailstock and low speed is a must. Also, on my Nova (different
model) the tailstock spindle protrudes through the tailstock so I can
use a draw bar to anchor the jacobs chuck and still advance the drill
with the turn wheel. On my previous lathe, a Delta, that was not
possible since the spindle stopped inside the tailstock.

I have never had to rotate the headstock for anything I turned, but
reverse is good when sanding frazzy wood. I sand in one direction,
then sand reversed.

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reverse is good when sanding frazzy wood. I sand in one direction,
then sand reversed.


This was my thinking as well

I am now leaning towards the Nova ... the only negatives/questions I
have at this point are

* the wheel issue (do owners think it can take wheels without a mobile
base)

* How hard is belt changing? vs the downsides of the outdated Reeves
system for speed control?






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reverse is good when sanding frazzy wood. I sand in one direction,
then sand reversed.


This was my thinking as well

I am now leaning towards the Nova ... the only negatives/questions I
have at this point are

* the wheel issue (do owners think it can take wheels without a mobile
base)

* How hard is belt changing? vs the downsides of the outdated Reeves
system for speed control?



You can put wheels on anything, but you sacrifice rigidity when you do. You
are firm on the floor, the lathe not quite when on casters, and eighths
count. You'd want to have fully retractable wheels so as not to introduce
axle slop or partial rotation error. I did it on Ol' Blue by setting it up
as a wheelbarrow of sorts, casters free of the floor when the opposite end
was on the ground, contacting when the opposite end was lifted. Then I
moved the thing perhaps twice in fifteen years.

Belt changes are 20-second jobs. Since you're changing radial velocity all
the time as you go from the outside of a large piece toward the axis of
rotation, it really doesn't make a lot of difference. I sometimes change
speed once on a bowl if I haven't rounded it well on the bandsaw. From the
360 to the 680 as it gets into balance.

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Thanks again George ...

I came to the conclusion that really wont me moving it often as
well ... So I am thinking of leaving against a wall ... with enough
space to allow for 16 inch centers

Has anyone every used the bed extension for the Nova?

I read somewhere that bed extensions often cause the tail stock to
become unstable and thus not quite centered on the head stock ...
Thoughts?

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space to allow for 16 inch centers

Correction ... 16 inch stock

I am also considering throwing in funds of my own to take the total up
to $1500-$1700 ... if that gives me some more options

I know there are 2 more Jets in this range ... but I havent found
another Nova ... or any other brand

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I have used the bed extensions and it depends no HOW YOU mount the lathe and
no WHAT stand. If care is taken with the original setup there is no problems
BUT a rough installation on an inadequate stand WILL cause problems,
Support the bed and extension in such a way that they can not move in
relation to each other.

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Thanks again George ...

I came to the conclusion that really wont me moving it often as
well ... So I am thinking of leaving against a wall ... with enough
space to allow for 16 inch centers

Has anyone every used the bed extension for the Nova?

I read somewhere that bed extensions often cause the tail stock to
become unstable and thus not quite centered on the head stock ...
Thoughts?



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In article .com,
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I read somewhere that bed extensions often cause the tail stock to
become unstable and thus not quite centered on the head stock ...
Thoughts?


Unstable? Ludicrous - that's hyperbole written by someone in the pay of
a lathe company that makes longer-bedded lathes. Slightly off center,
perhaps, but it matters not a whit if you are turning anything long
enough to be using the extension bed, if it's even true, which it's
probably not with most decent quality (either of the units you are
looking at) extensions. It's not a machine lathe with a rigidly mounted
cutter traveling along the ways.

If the center is off by 1/8th of an inch and you're turning work between
centers at 8 inches, that's a problem. The drive center walks, you can't
center on a faceplate-mounted bowl blank while roughing, etc.

Move the centers out to 40 inches and you'll never know if one is out by
1/8 inch when doing normal woodturning, freehand. You turn reference
points to specific diameters, and then turn to connect those points -
you're never depending on a precise relationship of wood to bed, and the
wobble at that distance is small enough to make no noticeable difference
in the drive - you can get that much drive-spur wobble from "whip" on
slender turnings in a perfectly aligned lathe.

Take away the drive spur by going back to something like a springpole
lathe where the part is driven between dead centers by a rope wrapped
around the part, and you can work with fairly large misalignments of the
centers even on fairly short spindles. Some patternmaking and
metalworking lathes which DO have a provision to rigidly mount a cutter
and run it along the ways use this as a feature, with an offsettable
tailstock to turn tapers - but you won't turn a taper freehand (even
with the tailstock deliberately offset) unless you measure and cut
reference diameters to make a taper, and then join them up.

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You don't say where you are located and your $1,000 will not cover
this, but I just received an advertisement from a fellow in Bodega
Bay, California who is wanting to sell his entire shop for $3500. He
has two lathes (one a Nova) several Nova chucks, turning tools,
bandsaw, grinder, dust collector system, compressor, many calipers and
a heavy duty drill press all for the $3,500. Sounds lika a good buy
for someone wanting to get into turning. If you're interested, e-mail
me and I'll send you his contact information.

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On Nov 4, 5:19 pm, wrote:
Hello all ...

I am new to this group(s) but have been woodworking for over 30 years
and am seeking advice about purchasing a new wood lathe

I used to work with old single speed ... stationary head ... 1.5 hp
Rockwell 12 inch lathe I realize how much I miss it

Info that may help with your advice

* My budget is about $1000 (for the lathe itself)

* I have searched Usenet looking for recent similar postings

* I have been to woodcraft and they advise the Jet VS Pro
(JWL-1442VSK)

* I have compared features ... but it has been so long since I have
worked with a wood lathe ... I really feel I need the
advice of professionals

* At present I have no particular project in mind ... but in the past
I have done things such as bowls ... pedestals ... table legs ... and
stair rails ... so I am looking for something sturdy and versatile

What features should I look for?

* 360 degree swivel headstock?

* Variable speed (how variable)?

* Reversible turning direction?

As to Lathe tools ... Like any cutting tool ... the better the
quality ... the longer the edge will hold ...

Any advice as to brand would also help here ... I personally use CASE
or Miller Falls wood chisels and find them both to be excellent

What is your advice as far as which tools to start out with?

I looked at the Sorby tools at Woodcraft and liked the heft of the
tool ... but the handles seem a bit cheap

Thanks for your time ... sorry for all the questions from a newbie ...



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Unstable? Ludicrous - that's hyperbole written by someone in the pay of
a lathe company that makes longer-bedded lathes. Slightly off center,
perhaps, but it matters not a whit if you are turning anything long
enough to be using the extension bed, if it's even true, which it's
probably not with most decent quality (either of the units you are
looking at) extensions. It's not a machine lathe with a rigidly mounted
cutter traveling along the ways


Here, here! I absolutely couldn't agree more. Yet... try as I might
I cannot get other to understand that.

If the center is off by 1/8th of an inch and you're turning work between
centers at 8 inches, that's a problem. The drive center walks, you can't
center on a faceplate-mounted bowl blank while roughing, etc.

Move the centers out to 40 inches and you'll never know if one is out by
1/8 inch when doing normal woodturning, freehand.


Well said! But a point lost on many I am afraid.

I have given up this whole line of discussion as I cannot seem to get
that point across. I was even in Woodcraft (got a buddy that works
there) about a year ago, and someone had brought back FIVE, yes five,
Jet mini lathes because of "alignment problems".

So how did they check alignment? They put their spur center in the
headstock and their live center in their tailstock and moved them
together to see if the points lined up PERFECTLY. Not just touching,
mind you.. but perfect point to point contact. And the guy there was
really ****ed off at Woodcraft because he said they were selling
"seconds" and inferior merchandise!

They told me they had another fellow bring back his PM 3520 because he
used one of those double headed morse tapers to line up the tailstock,
and it wasn't perfect when he shoved the tailstock up the the
headstock with the double taper in it. It was honestly less than
1/16" off...

Woodcraft took back the lathe, and refused to sell him another one.
He as ****ed off too, because he felt like he had found an honest to
Pete fault with the machine.

Some people just don't understand and cannot comprehend the mechanics
of the lathe at all.

Nicely said, Ecnerwal.

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True for most turnings BUT if you want to accurately drill through the
centre of a long spindle the centres MUST line up ACCURATELY or you end up
going through the side and your hole is a much larger diameter than your
drill.

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Unstable? Ludicrous - that's hyperbole written by someone in the pay of
a lathe company that makes longer-bedded lathes. Slightly off center,
perhaps, but it matters not a whit if you are turning anything long
enough to be using the extension bed, if it's even true, which it's
probably not with most decent quality (either of the units you are
looking at) extensions. It's not a machine lathe with a rigidly mounted
cutter traveling along the ways


Here, here! I absolutely couldn't agree more. Yet... try as I might
I cannot get other to understand that.

If the center is off by 1/8th of an inch and you're turning work between
centers at 8 inches, that's a problem. The drive center walks, you can't
center on a faceplate-mounted bowl blank while roughing, etc.

Move the centers out to 40 inches and you'll never know if one is out by
1/8 inch when doing normal woodturning, freehand.


Well said! But a point lost on many I am afraid.

I have given up this whole line of discussion as I cannot seem to get
that point across. I was even in Woodcraft (got a buddy that works
there) about a year ago, and someone had brought back FIVE, yes five,
Jet mini lathes because of "alignment problems".

So how did they check alignment? They put their spur center in the
headstock and their live center in their tailstock and moved them
together to see if the points lined up PERFECTLY. Not just touching,
mind you.. but perfect point to point contact. And the guy there was
really ****ed off at Woodcraft because he said they were selling
"seconds" and inferior merchandise!

They told me they had another fellow bring back his PM 3520 because he
used one of those double headed morse tapers to line up the tailstock,
and it wasn't perfect when he shoved the tailstock up the the
headstock with the double taper in it. It was honestly less than
1/16" off...

Woodcraft took back the lathe, and refused to sell him another one.
He as ****ed off too, because he felt like he had found an honest to
Pete fault with the machine.

Some people just don't understand and cannot comprehend the mechanics
of the lathe at all.

Nicely said, Ecnerwal.

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Yea ... which I used to do a good bit ... start with a 4 X 4 (for legs
etc)


In that case, the Nova wins. As you can keep extending the length. I've
see a 5 ft bed on a Nova 3000 (basicly the earlier version of the one
you are considering)



Extension beds are available for the Jet. I don't know if you can add
multiples theough :-)

From: http://www.southern-tool.com/store/j...442_lathe.html

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ALL

Thanks much for the advice ... Hope you dont mind a few more
questions / bits of info

INFO

* I did a good bit of turning back in the late 70-mid 80's ... so I am
not a complete newbie ... but am just looking for what technology
changes have occured that I can take advantage of ... now that I have
a larger budget

* I tried craigslist (use it all the time here in Colorado
Springs) ... most of the stuff were shopsmith (which I tend to
avoid) ... there was one really old (1950ish) Powermatic that looked
in sad shape ... I even tried the want adds ... which had none for
sale

* Now that I am making enough to purchase decent quality tools ... I
tend to purchase new (which isnt always better) ... but if used isnt
available I have to resort to new

QUESTIONS:

* Why should I consider the Nova ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20011
) over the Jet ( http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5225
) ?

* With regard to "As mentioned, 90 is plenty. Anything else
complicates things." can you elaborate on this? ... as it seems all
units now have 360 ...
personally I dont see much use for more than 90 ... or
even 45 ... from my experience

COMMENTS:

Kevin (my name as well) ... thanks for the 'kick the tires' primer on
lathes ... it is always good to know what to look for when buying
used

Ecnerwal - I live 1 block from a Harbor Freight ... and I use it
often ... but never for power tools from past experiences with Chicago
Machinery ... they just dont last ... wore out the bearings and
fittings on my variable speed drill press ... replaced it with a Delta
Industrial ... Wore out the slide mechanism on my 10 inch sliding chop
saw ... replaced it with a Delta 12 inch ... I wont even mention 18V
cordless drills

Darrell - thanks much for the primer and sharpening tips ... I used to
do my own sharpening ... but have lost the skills ... hopefully this
will help bring them back
I was going to pull out the 3 grades of Smiths stones
I use for all my blades

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Regarding the Nova vs Jet

From my experience ... heavier is more stable ... and as I have
all of my tools (with the exceptions of a POS Craftsman radial saw) on
wheels ... weight is
not really a factor ... other than moving it from the
curb

I did notice the notice the difference between the 215/3630 rpm


I would LOVE to have a speed lower than 450.. thinking of going with the Nova xp
but that's a about $2,500 if you want the stand and stuff..

(Nova) ... vs the 450/3000 rpm of the Jet ...

What about the HP difference ... 1.5 hp (Nova) vs 1 hp (Jet)?


I've always thought that you want all the power you can get, but I've never had
a power problem on the 1442 and I admit to abusing it frequently.. the extra 50%
hp, assuming that they're both real figures and arrived at with the same math,
sure can't hurt, except maybe on the electric bill..

Has anyone heard of durability of Nova's? ... I know and trust Jet
for sturdy durable tools

At present I am leaning towards the Jet ... if for no other reason
than the stability ... and known durability ... but that lower low and
higher high of the Nova are quite attractive


Can't speak for Nova, though a lot of folks here like them.. besides the
Shopsmith, both of my lathes are Jet..
I was so impressed with the Jet mini that it really swayed me towards the Jet
brand on the next lathe..

As for purchasing used ... I will have to see what comes along ... as
this is a actually my Christmas present from my dad ... so this
isnt an IF ... it is a WHEN


IMHO, buying used is good because you usually save money and in some cases
tools, jigs, etc. are included..

IMHO, buying used is bad because you might be buying someone else's problem, as
in used cars..

In new and used, you have to kick the tires..
If you have a turners group in your area, attend a meeting or 3.. it's good
experience and you might get some turning time on a few different lathes..

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