Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

Greetings!
A few questions from a total newbie, if I may...I searched the
archives, but couldn't find either question addressed. So, here goes!
I just acquired a very old, but excellent condition Craftsman lathe
(single tube). So (I'm told) I should kiss the rest of my disposable
income goodbye. s

Said lathe "came" with a set of Craftsman tools, listed as
"Carbide tipped". Sure enough, they seem to be. Can anyone
suggest the best way to sharpen them? Any particular type wheel, etc?
If they were HSS, I'd be OK. I'm just not sure if carbide has any
particular quirks I need to be aware of...

Also, are the carbide tools worth reconditioning? Or would I be better
off obtaining newer, HSS stuff? I don't mind sharpening them, and it
would seem like a shame to throw them out.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

ATdHvAaNnKcSe

Hal

Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

Hal
Good to have you on board. One of my lathes is the Mastercraft equivalent of
the single tube. Ruth used to turn on one as well until she got her General.
People will crap on it but I find it still to me a good and dependable
machine when used within its limits.
Carbide tipped tools were a novelty a while ago. They were going to be the
be all and end all of turning tools because they seldom need sharpening.
Unfortunately they are also a pain to sharpen because they need a special
wheel and also they will not sharpen as finely as HSS or high carbon steel.
High carbon steel takes the finest edge but will not hold it long under the
conditions that we turn especially for artistic turning with burls and bark
edged pieces that may have bits of grit left in the bark from felling. HSS
seems to be the best compromise with ease of sharpening and an edge that
retains well.
That said, all you need to sharpen the carbide tools is the proper wheel.
Diamond if you feel rich and green carbide otherwise. Busy Bee and Lee
Valley both had them the last I checked.
Here is a wee bit of advice. Save yourself a lot of agravation and make or
buy a sharpening jig. There is one on my site to copy (nothing to sell but I
like shooting off my own horn). It will do the job of a $200 jig and I think
mine cost about $2.50.
Welcome, have fun, check in here often, they are a great bunch of guys and
gals, and happy new year.

--
God bless and safe turning
Darrell Feltmate
Truro, NS Canada
www.aroundthewoods.com


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Greetings!
A few questions from a total newbie, if I may...I searched the
archives, but couldn't find either question addressed. So, here goes!
I just acquired a very old, but excellent condition Craftsman lathe
(single tube). So (I'm told) I should kiss the rest of my disposable
income goodbye. s

Said lathe "came" with a set of Craftsman tools, listed as
"Carbide tipped". Sure enough, they seem to be. Can anyone
suggest the best way to sharpen them? Any particular type wheel, etc?
If they were HSS, I'd be OK. I'm just not sure if carbide has any
particular quirks I need to be aware of...

Also, are the carbide tools worth reconditioning? Or would I be better
off obtaining newer, HSS stuff? I don't mind sharpening them, and it
would seem like a shame to throw them out.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

ATdHvAaNnKcSe

Hal

Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

I have a set of those same crafstman tools. Use them until you can afford
some HSS or even carbon steel tools, then put them aside - don't throw them
away - they will come in handy if you need to cut metal on your wood lathe
(it works, I've done it), or if you have some nasty wood you need to rough,
but don't use them for "regular" turning - as others have pointed out,
carbide just doesn't take the kind of edge you need - it's too brittle - it
needs a slightly rounded edge to hold up.



wrote in message
oups.com...
Greetings!
A few questions from a total newbie, if I may...I searched the
archives, but couldn't find either question addressed. So, here goes!
I just acquired a very old, but excellent condition Craftsman lathe
(single tube). So (I'm told) I should kiss the rest of my disposable
income goodbye. s

Said lathe "came" with a set of Craftsman tools, listed as
"Carbide tipped". Sure enough, they seem to be. Can anyone
suggest the best way to sharpen them? Any particular type wheel, etc?
If they were HSS, I'd be OK. I'm just not sure if carbide has any
particular quirks I need to be aware of...

Also, are the carbide tools worth reconditioning? Or would I be better
off obtaining newer, HSS stuff? I don't mind sharpening them, and it
would seem like a shame to throw them out.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

ATdHvAaNnKcSe

Hal




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Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

I think it was Russ Fairfield at a demo who explained that carbide didn't
take an edge very well, but it held it longer than a tool steel edge. "So
you have a mediocre edge that lasts a long time."

I have some of my Dads that I still use, particularly the scrapers.

Old Guy


wrote in message
oups.com...
Greetings!
A few questions from a total newbie, if I may...I searched the
archives, but couldn't find either question addressed. So, here goes!
I just acquired a very old, but excellent condition Craftsman lathe
(single tube). So (I'm told) I should kiss the rest of my disposable
income goodbye. s

Said lathe "came" with a set of Craftsman tools, listed as
"Carbide tipped". Sure enough, they seem to be. Can anyone
suggest the best way to sharpen them? Any particular type wheel, etc?
If they were HSS, I'd be OK. I'm just not sure if carbide has any
particular quirks I need to be aware of...

Also, are the carbide tools worth reconditioning? Or would I be better
off obtaining newer, HSS stuff? I don't mind sharpening them, and it
would seem like a shame to throw them out.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

ATdHvAaNnKcSe

Hal

Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

I wonder if the carbide chips were cemented into the tips of the
manufacturer's regular hcs turning tools instead of soft steel shafts?
If so could the tips be ground or cut off leaving enough flute or flat
to be reground into a more useful hcs tool? Likely, someone here knows
or will do a spark test. I assume that a usable burr can't be burnished
on a brittle carbide tipped scraper?

Welcome Hal, Please join in. You can see from my questions above that
'newbie' is a relative term. My first Sears lathe was a new '37
Companion and I'm still confused. :)


Turn to Safety, Arch
Fortiter


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Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Said lathe "came" with a set of Craftsman tools, listed as
"Carbide tipped". Sure enough, they seem to be. Can anyone
suggest the best way to sharpen them? Any particular type wheel, etc?
If they were HSS, I'd be OK. I'm just not sure if carbide has any
particular quirks I need to be aware of...


Use a diamond stone and cone. You can grind them with SiC wheels - the kind
I use for HSS all the time - but you shouldn't have to or really want to.
The stone costs no more than common AlOx, and is cheaper than the soft-bond
type a lot of people use both initially and when replacement time comes.
Which is fairly rapidly with the soft bond.

They want to be kept with short bevels, as they are brittle, which does
limit their peeling ability. Were I in your shoes I'd get a fifty buck set
of eight basic tools and get turning with them, If you don't have diamond
hones, investment would be less, outcome better.


Also, are the carbide tools worth reconditioning? Or would I be better
off obtaining newer, HSS stuff? I don't mind sharpening them, and it
would seem like a shame to throw them out.

Newbie Question - Carbide Tools
 

Thank you all, for you assistance and insight! As suggested, I picked
up a set of "inexpensive" HSS tools (just a few), and I'll see what I
use, and like, as time goes on. Someone here said "When you get better
than those tools, we'll get ya better ones.. (or something simila).
Made sense to me!
Thanks again!
Hal