"DGG" wrote in message
...
SNIP
And if the bowl were much deeper, it would be less
useful. I would have preferred two interior curls, one large, one
small, as I still use a straight rest on the exterior, but that's my
preference.

They make a sturdy extension if you want to drop the cash. Lots more reach
available than most would feel comfortable with, but necessary on my old
Delta to reach around a bowl. You're right, though, no need for an
"exterior" curve. Straight rest can be brought in easily for average close.
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...Anch=imgAnch27

Here's the rest I have, and I love it.

http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cg...n&key=108-0200

George said:

"DGG" wrote in message
.. .
SNIP
And if the bowl were much deeper, it would be less
useful. I would have preferred two interior curls, one large, one
small, as I still use a straight rest on the exterior, but that's my
preference.

They make a sturdy extension if you want to drop the cash. Lots more reach
available than most would feel comfortable with, but necessary on my old
Delta to reach around a bowl. You're right, though, no need for an
"exterior" curve. Straight rest can be brought in easily for average close.
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...Anch=imgAnch27

Here's the rest I have, and I love it.

http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cg...n&key=108-0200

Thanks, that is pretty cool. I like the dual mounting hole idea.

Knew about the Sorby rests, but their 9" bowl rest is also too small.
Works fine on a Jet 1016 Mini, but it's a toy on this larger lathe.

Bought the "French Curl" rest because it was local, cheap, and there
was a bowl on the lathe I couldn't seem to finish without. But it was
still a bit shy reaching the bottom.

It's one of those maddening things that makes you want to take up
blacksmithing. Another is the tool rest base. The blasted rough-ass
casting is so tall, that it won't even clear a 12" bowl on a 16" swing
lathe, and is one of the most recalcitrant things I've used. I'm
working on a fix for the "takes two hands to move it" problem.

Now with some steel, a welder, lathe, boring setup, and some time...

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:31:13 +0000, George wrote:

Here's the rest I have, and I love it.

http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cg...n&key=108-0200

What thread is used to mount it to the shaft? The rest looks to be
worthwhile but I already have a spare shaft (25mm).

Bill

"Bill" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:31:13 +0000, George wrote:

Here's the rest I have, and I love it.

http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cg...n&key=108-0200

What thread is used to mount it to the shaft? The rest looks to be
worthwhile but I already have a spare shaft (25mm).


Tough question to ask a non-machinist. Measures 3/4" diameter (shanked from
1") and there appear to be 6 full threads in the 3/4" depth. Imagine that
would be something standard?

"George" wrote in message
t...

"Bill" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:31:13 +0000, George wrote:

Here's the rest I have, and I love it.

http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/cg...n&key=108-0200

What thread is used to mount it to the shaft? The rest looks to be
worthwhile but I already have a spare shaft (25mm).


Tough question to ask a non-machinist. Measures 3/4" diameter (shanked
from 1") and there appear to be 6 full threads in the 3/4" depth. Imagine
that would be something standard?

Follow my own. A regular 3/4 coarse off the tractor threads right up.

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:17:29 -0400, Eddie Munster
wrote:



Prometheus wrote:
I'm continually
surprised that no one (that I know of) has started a little tool
factory in their garage to cater to discerning woodworkers yet.


Steve Knight comes to mind.

http://www.knight-toolworks.com/

Yep, he's definately on the leading edge of the idea. I'm not a
hand-plane collector, so I tend to forget his stuff. Nice looking,
and I'm sure they work great.

Prometheus wrote in
:

On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:17:29 -0400, Eddie Munster
wrote:



Prometheus wrote:
I'm continually
surprised that no one (that I know of) has started a little tool
factory in their garage to cater to discerning woodworkers yet.


Steve Knight comes to mind.

http://www.knight-toolworks.com/

Yep, he's definately on the leading edge of the idea. I'm not a
hand-plane collector, so I tend to forget his stuff. Nice looking,
and I'm sure they work great.


There are a number of such folk who hang out on the hand tool forum at
www.woodcentral.com. Planebuilders, metalsmiths, saw makers, hand tool
specialists, etc. Steve is often there too.

The depth of knowledge is pretty impressive.

Patriarch

Prometheus wrote:

I'm continually
: surprised that no one (that I know of) has started a little tool
: factory in their garage to cater to discerning woodworkers yet.
: Seems like an untapped market that gets a little bigger every year as
: overall tool quality declines- though that may be just wishful
: thinking.

In the domain of hand tools, there's actually been a renaissance
in the last 10 years of exactly that -- small tool makers making high-end
tools, originally in 1-2 person operations. These include Hock Tools,
Lie-Nielsen, Independence Toolworks, several infill plane makers
(Holtey, Shepard which went bankrupt, Barr, and the list goes on.
I don't know of any small poer tool makers, perhaps for
the obvious practical reasons, but there's also a
bunch of clever inventors who've made add-ons for power tools
(safety devices; new jigs and tools
for lathes; etc.).

-- Andy Barss

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:18:20 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
wrote:

Prometheus wrote:

I'm continually
: surprised that no one (that I know of) has started a little tool
: factory in their garage to cater to discerning woodworkers yet.
: Seems like an untapped market that gets a little bigger every year as
: overall tool quality declines- though that may be just wishful
: thinking.

In the domain of hand tools, there's actually been a renaissance
in the last 10 years of exactly that -- small tool makers making high-end
tools, originally in 1-2 person operations. These include Hock Tools,
Lie-Nielsen, Independence Toolworks, several infill plane makers
(Holtey, Shepard which went bankrupt, Barr, and the list goes on.
I don't know of any small poer tool makers, perhaps for
the obvious practical reasons, but there's also a
bunch of clever inventors who've made add-ons for power tools
(safety devices; new jigs and tools
for lathes; etc.).

That was a little more towards what I was driving at- power tools. It
seems like there is more and more room each year for simple, well
built tools as the big companies keep trying to one-up each other by
adding a laser pointer, but taking away 20 pounds of cast iron.
Pretty soon, they're going to be made entirely of plastic, with CNC
controllers on them. Might be a market for that, but I'd like to be
able to make or buy equipment that is the same as it used to be- huge,
sturdy and nearly indestructable. Don't need a computer to rotate a
saw blade, but I'm always happy to see a heavier cabinet and a more
powerful motor.

Now granted, they're still doing that with cabinet saws- but there are
plenty of hobbists that can't afford a Unisaw (or a Oneway, as this
*is* the turning forum) that might be able to scrape up the money for
something on the order of a "benchtop" saw with cast iron trunnions
and handwheels (to say nothing of a decent fence!) or a Midi lathe
with a heavier base and stainless handles instead of cheap plastic
ones.

It's just blue-skying, but it'd be nice to see some better options on
the table. At any rate, I think I'm going to give making my own tools
a go- not as a business, just to have the stuff I want and the
satisfaction of knowing I made it myself.

If somebody else can do it, I don't see why I wouldn't be able to.

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...
Now granted, they're still doing that with cabinet saws- but there are
plenty of hobbists that can't afford a Unisaw (or a Oneway, as this
*is* the turning forum) that might be able to scrape up the money for
something on the order of a "benchtop" saw with cast iron trunnions
and handwheels (to say nothing of a decent fence!) or a Midi lathe
with a heavier base and stainless handles instead of cheap plastic
ones.

Good enough engineering is the difference. If the fools wouldn't abuse the
tools, it'd be good enough.

Obvious when you read other contributions to the forum, consisting largely
of "can I get this cheaper" or is "Harbor Freight a good place to get a
blurfl" that expensive tooling is not what the majority wants or cares
about.

My saw has cast trunnions and a good fence, but it's not powerful or
expensive enough for the tool snobs or cheap enough for the penny-pinchers.
Also, regrettably, no longer made in USA. Guess everybody doesn't like
something ....

Prometheus said:

It's just blue-skying, but it'd be nice to see some better options on
the table. At any rate, I think I'm going to give making my own tools
a go- not as a business, just to have the stuff I want and the
satisfaction of knowing I made it myself.

If somebody else can do it, I don't see why I wouldn't be able to.

Currently my only forseeable prospects as well. Can't buy it, so I'll
make it - but currently limited to add-ons and such.
The capital required to produce complete tools exceeds my wherewithal.
And then some...


Greg G.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:09:13 -0400, Greg wrote:

Prometheus said:

It's just blue-skying, but it'd be nice to see some better options on
the table. At any rate, I think I'm going to give making my own tools
a go- not as a business, just to have the stuff I want and the
satisfaction of knowing I made it myself.

If somebody else can do it, I don't see why I wouldn't be able to.

Currently my only forseeable prospects as well. Can't buy it, so I'll
make it - but currently limited to add-ons and such.
The capital required to produce complete tools exceeds my wherewithal.
And then some...

I'm in a relatively uncommon situation, having a full machine shop at
my disposal at work and access to some awfully nice scrap metal at the
same price the salvage guys pay (or free, depending on the stuff)
Still doesn't make it easy, but it makes it possible.

Prometheus said:

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:09:13 -0400, Greg wrote:

Prometheus said:

It's just blue-skying, but it'd be nice to see some better options on
the table. At any rate, I think I'm going to give making my own tools
a go- not as a business, just to have the stuff I want and the
satisfaction of knowing I made it myself.

If somebody else can do it, I don't see why I wouldn't be able to.

Currently my only forseeable prospects as well. Can't buy it, so I'll
make it - but currently limited to add-ons and such.
The capital required to produce complete tools exceeds my wherewithal.
And then some...

I'm in a relatively uncommon situation, having a full machine shop at
my disposal at work and access to some awfully nice scrap metal at the
same price the salvage guys pay (or free, depending on the stuff)
Still doesn't make it easy, but it makes it possible.

When younger, there was a salvage yard full of aircraft aluminum and
other salvage stuff right up the street. Just walking through the
place would make the imagination reel with possibilities, but the lack
of inert gas welding and machining equipment made the actual
completion of such projects impossible.
Which, I suppose, makes you one lucky sob... ;-)


Greg G.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:02:16 GMT, "George" wrote:


"Prometheus" wrote in message
.. .
Now granted, they're still doing that with cabinet saws- but there are
plenty of hobbists that can't afford a Unisaw (or a Oneway, as this
*is* the turning forum) that might be able to scrape up the money for
something on the order of a "benchtop" saw with cast iron trunnions
and handwheels (to say nothing of a decent fence!) or a Midi lathe
with a heavier base and stainless handles instead of cheap plastic
ones.

Good enough engineering is the difference. If the fools wouldn't abuse the
tools, it'd be good enough.

Many things are not good enough. They're banking on the fact that
most people won't know or care enough to know the difference.

Obvious when you read other contributions to the forum, consisting largely
of "can I get this cheaper" or is "Harbor Freight a good place to get a
blurfl" that expensive tooling is not what the majority wants or cares
about.

That's true enough, and might be the thing that makes it an
unrealistic business model for a large company. But around here,
tradesmen usually exchange knowledge and products amongst each other,
and when a guy makes something that is worth having, there is
generally enough demand to keep him busy every weekend making one for
each of the people who *do* care about quality. Doesn't translate
into millions of dollars a year, but you meet some interesting people
that way, and get a little extra cash in your pocket. And you might
get a discount on that driveway you need poured, or that topsoil you
need graded, to boot.

At this point, I'm tired of worrying about whether something is
expensive or cheap. I just want things that come from real people who
care about what they do, and try to avoid buying yachts and golf trips
for the people who are stealing benefits and pay increases from guys
like me to raise their stock value by a quarter percent. I'm not a
power investor in the stock market, nor am I rapidly climbing the
corporate ladder. But I do have the means of production in my hands,
and that's what makes the world go round at the end of the day.

So, the guys in the white shirts and power ties can say whatever they
like, and anyone is free to buy into it or not. I'm not particularly
against them, I just don't need them. If Ed the mechanic gets
together with Bob the machinist, Larry the farmer, Joe the carpenter
and George the excavator, more often than not, each of them ends up
with a good running car, cheap replacement parts, clean meat and
veggies and a nice home with a well-landscaped yard at a price that
they can handle without paying 18% interest for the rest of their
natural lives. Microeconomics often result in higher quality goods
and services at a fraction of the cost, at least as far as I've seen.
It's hard to make a billion dollars by screwing each person out of
fifty cents if you're only making twenty of a thing. In fact, it's
usually easy enough to make it better, because it only costs you $10
out of pocket, and the goodwill that results is worth many times that.

I know I bang my drum on this subject a lot, but I'm convinced it is
far more important than a lot of people realise. History shows us
again and again that when too much power rests in too few hands, the
greater mass of humanity suffers terribly. We are under a huge load
of propiganda that sells us the idea that we must have everything, we
must have it now, and we must have it cheap- and the only ones
equipped to provide that for us are huge corporate entities that care
little for any one person. They get the customers, end up being the
main employers, and are free to lower the pay scale so that they can
provide the customers cheap goods- which are all they can then afford,
owing to that same lowered pay scale. A neat trick, that- and many of
us are now nearly at the place where we now owe our souls to the
company store.

Getting riled up and looting the Wal-Mart isn't what will solve the
situation- but buying local goods and supporting local trades and arts
is a good start. It goes in one ear and out the other with most
people, but that is no reason to stop saying or thinking these things.
A lot of good things wither and die for lack of adequate expression.

In the US, we come from people who would not meekly accept the lot
handed them- the people who settled the land came from all over the
world, and built the most powerful engine of wealth the world has ever
seen in a period of time that is a blink of history's eye. One city
and village at a time- from scratch. It's a lot to live up to when
you think about it, but it's something *worth* living up to. Each and
every person has something to contribute right near home- put all
those skills and all that knowledge together, and you have a nice
community where you don't need to worry about Delta/Porter-Cable/Black
and Decker/AOL/Time-warner/Phillip Morris's agenda anymore. There's a
critical mass there, and it's high time we all reach for it again.

But before any of that happens, some people need to start making these
things happen individually, with the aim of making a better life- and
not just accumulating a million bucks in the bank and a house full of
junk. Could be me, and it probably should be. After all, if I don't
stand up and try, who else is going to? Someone always has to be
first. Could be you in your neck of the woods- I see no reason why it
isn't possible.

My saw has cast trunnions and a good fence, but it's not powerful or
expensive enough for the tool snobs or cheap enough for the penny-pinchers.
Also, regrettably, no longer made in USA. Guess everybody doesn't like
something ....

If you value it, others do as well. Don't listen to shills- they're
not looking out for you best interests. If you want it and can make
it, make it- if you can't make it, find a real person who can, and
offer them your best in return, whatever your best may be. It's the
only proper way to answer tool snobs and penny-pinchers. If you
meekly turn away and say it can't be helped, it will only get worse.

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...
SNIP the class warfare stuff, I've seen it all elsewhere, even in action.


But before any of that happens, some people need to start making these
things happen individually, with the aim of making a better life- and
not just accumulating a million bucks in the bank and a house full of
junk.

This is correct. Less time spent worrying about someone else's bankroll,
curriculum vitae or estimate of those around her the better. Allows you to
enjoy the better of the two options life presents - time or money.

Not that I would try to enforce it on anyone else, because I feel they're
entitled to their life, as pitiful and meaningless as I might consider it,
too.

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:02:06 GMT, "George" wrote:


"Prometheus" wrote in message
.. .
SNIP the class warfare stuff, I've seen it all elsewhere, even in action.


But before any of that happens, some people need to start making these
things happen individually, with the aim of making a better life- and
not just accumulating a million bucks in the bank and a house full of
junk.

This is correct. Less time spent worrying about someone else's bankroll,
curriculum vitae or estimate of those around her the better. Allows you to
enjoy the better of the two options life presents - time or money.

Not that I would try to enforce it on anyone else, because I feel they're
entitled to their life, as pitiful and meaningless as I might consider it,
too.

Exactly. I don't care to tell others what they must do- not only is
it senseless and offensive, but what others need or want is different
than what I need and want. I'm sure some folks find great joy and
meaning in things I wouldn't touch with with a thirty-foot pole, and
the reverse is just as true.