Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is that
over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley, WV
at Cedar Lakes.

"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the
cheapest. I tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings
of the equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my
career is fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV at Cedar Lakes.

Although I share your enthusiasm for the "big iron" and quality tooling, it
does all depend on what you are doing. And in terms of a lathe, how big a
piece you want to turn. There are some quality machines out there that cost
less than a Oneway. Take some classes and observe some machines up close.
Talk to the instructors.

Woodturners are a friendly lot and I am sure that they will let you try out
their machines if ask (or bribe) nicely.

Although, a Oneway would be very, very nice...

What, did you win a lottery or something, or are you just bragging?


"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that
over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV
at Cedar Lakes.

I'm sorry it came across that way.

Tom
"Dave" wrote in message
news:_wbEe.195246$xm3.180738@attbi_s21...
What, did you win a lottery or something, or are you just bragging?


"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that
over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV
at Cedar Lakes.

Tom I have been turning for about 5 years now and I started out with less
expensive tools just to make sure that I liked it. Not all cheap tools are
cheap some of the tools that I bought 5 years ago I still have and still use
on a regular basis. So far the turnings that I have sold I have barely
broken even on but I do not turn for the profit but for the fun of it. As I
have been able to I have purchased better tooling and some of this "better
tooling" is not as good as my inexpensive tooling.


"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the
cheapest. I tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings
of the equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my
career is fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV at Cedar Lakes.

Thanks, Steven, for the comments. I'm listening.

May I ask you to be a little more specific on which tools were which? For
instance, should the cutting tools be the ones with the best steel? Is the
lathe actually not the most important? A DVR3000, for example, gives you VS
electronically (super slow for out-of-balance, etc.) and can rotate to
handle large bowls, yet costs about $1900.

I perceive the need for precision because I particularly love the thin
walled work. That's why I budgeted for a laser system, too.

Tom Nie


"Steven Raphael" wrote in message
...
Tom I have been turning for about 5 years now and I started out with less
expensive tools just to make sure that I liked it. Not all cheap tools are
cheap some of the tools that I bought 5 years ago I still have and still
use on a regular basis. So far the turnings that I have sold I have barely
broken even on but I do not turn for the profit but for the fun of it. As
I have been able to I have purchased better tooling and some of this
"better tooling" is not as good as my inexpensive tooling.


"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the
cheapest. I tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings
of the equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my
career is fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV at Cedar Lakes.

some comments:

1. a good lathe is needed - size is the variable. you can use a mini (I
used a nova comet) to turn items with transparent walls, but you can only do
this with items up to about 3 inches in diameter, above that the lathe just
can't handle it (not rigid enough). Eventually I bought a Stubby, and can
turn about 44 inches (between centers) - you are right it's cheaper to buy
once, but good quality mini-lathes are a whole lot less expensive than good
quality "full sized" lathes.

2. you absolutely do not need a laser system to turn thin - but it is
helpful if you wish to turn thin AND have a narrow top - but my opinion -
thin is overrated - I can turn goblets with translucent walls pretty easily,
and it's cool, but really thin is not good (in my opinion) for a bowl or
many other items.

3. there is nothing wrong with carbon steel tools - you have to sharpen more
often, but you get a better edge. Don't go on a tool buying binge, you
won't need 85% of what you buy in the first year by the time you get to the
5th year. One or two excellent quality gouges, and a pile of lesser tools
will do. Eschew fancy hollowing systems for a couple of years and make
bowls, boxes and goblets.

4. get variable speed

5. you will need an air compressor, and some air tools, don't forget those.


I think your estimate is about right, but don't spend it all at once - buy a
lathe and some tooling first, then hold off for a while and just refuse to
buy anything for at least a year.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks, Steven, for the comments. I'm listening.

May I ask you to be a little more specific on which tools were which? For
instance, should the cutting tools be the ones with the best steel? Is the
lathe actually not the most important? A DVR3000, for example, gives you
VS electronically (super slow for out-of-balance, etc.) and can rotate to
handle large bowls, yet costs about $1900.

I perceive the need for precision because I particularly love the thin
walled work. That's why I budgeted for a laser system, too.

Tom Nie


"Steven Raphael" wrote in message
...
Tom I have been turning for about 5 years now and I started out with less
expensive tools just to make sure that I liked it. Not all cheap tools
are cheap some of the tools that I bought 5 years ago I still have and
still use on a regular basis. So far the turnings that I have sold I have
barely broken even on but I do not turn for the profit but for the fun of
it. As I have been able to I have purchased better tooling and some of
this "better tooling" is not as good as my inexpensive tooling.


"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the
cheapest. I tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings
of the equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my
career is fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV at Cedar Lakes.

So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah, that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

..
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...
Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is
that
over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,
WV
at Cedar Lakes.

"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
.. .
So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah, that's
a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)


Hmmmm. Quick figuring shows slightly over $5,500 in hardware, but I've got
a spare lathe included in that.

George wrote:
"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
.. .

So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah, that's
a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)



Hmmmm. Quick figuring shows slightly over $5,500 in hardware, but I've got
a spare lathe included in that.


What about the new all purpose studio?

In article , "George" George@least
wrote:

Hmmmm. Quick figuring shows slightly over $5,500 in hardware, but I've got
a spare lathe included in that.

I'm quick'stimating that I've spent about $2500-$3000 in the 4 years
since getting my lathe, not including consumables or purchased woods.
That includes the lathe, chuck, tools, chain saw, sharpening hardware,
disk sander and bandsaw.

I'm about to take a huge leap in a lathe upgrade, but my midi/mini lathe
has done very well as an inexpensive, hard wearing, introductory machine
to learn on, test out my long-term turning interest and help define the
direction my turning interests would head before purchasing a
high-dollar lathe inappropriate to my needs.

--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Safety Tip'o'th'week: Never grind aluminum and steel or iron on the same
machine or workstation - Thermite.
http://www.hanford.gov/lessons/sitell/ll01/2001-36.htm

"Owen Lowe" wrote in message
news
I'm quick'stimating that I've spent about $2500-$3000 in the 4 years
since getting my lathe, not including consumables or purchased woods.
That includes the lathe, chuck, tools, chain saw, sharpening hardware,
disk sander and bandsaw.


Have to include those? What if you already had chain/band sander? Those
would kick it up close to _ another _ two grand in acquisition cost. Hate
to consider replacement, because it's well-said that "they don't make 'em
like they used to."

Tom,
After 7 plus years of turning, the basic formula that I came up with
is; take the cost of the lathe, the accessories that go with it will be
2 to 4 times the cost of the lathe, or more, depending on the severity
of your addiction. For size concerns, any bowl over about 16 inches in
diameter is more of a specialty market. The Nova is a good medium
lathe, as are the similar delta and jet models. The Powermatic 3520 is
a good step up from that, and this is what I turn on. I don't know if
the bigger Oneway performs any better than the PM, especially at twice
the cost. There is an advantage in the swiveling and sliding heads in
that they allow you to stand straight up. This posture can save a lot
of strain on the back if you turn for more that an hour or so a day. As
someone who turns mostly bowls, I can see a dedicated bowl lathe in my
future, if I ever get wealthy. For now my PM performs all tasks well
enough.
robo hippy




















George wrote:
"Owen Lowe" wrote in message
news
I'm quick'stimating that I've spent about $2500-$3000 in the 4 years
since getting my lathe, not including consumables or purchased woods.
That includes the lathe, chuck, tools, chain saw, sharpening hardware,
disk sander and bandsaw.


Have to include those? What if you already had chain/band sander? Those
would kick it up close to _ another _ two grand in acquisition cost. Hate
to consider replacement, because it's well-said that "they don't make 'em
like they used to."

"robo hippy" wrote

Tom,
After 7 plus years of turning, the basic formula that I came up with
is; take the cost of the lathe, the accessories that go with it will be
2 to 4 times the cost of the lathe, or more, depending on the severity
of your addiction. For size concerns, any bowl over about 16 inches in
diameter is more of a specialty market. The Nova is a good medium
lathe, as are the similar delta and jet models. The Powermatic 3520 is
a good step up from that, and this is what I turn on. I don't know if
the bigger Oneway performs any better than the PM, especially at twice
the cost. There is an advantage in the swiveling and sliding heads in
that they allow you to stand straight up. This posture can save a lot
of strain on the back if you turn for more that an hour or so a day. As
someone who turns mostly bowls, I can see a dedicated bowl lathe in my
future, if I ever get wealthy. For now my PM performs all tasks well
enough.
robo hippy

If your lathe is too low, can't you mount it to a platform of some kind?

Seems like a cheap, immediate solution.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
There is an advantage in the swiveling and sliding heads in
that they allow you to stand straight up. This posture can save a lot
of strain on the back if you turn for more that an hour or so a day. As
someone who turns mostly bowls, I can see a dedicated bowl lathe in my
future, if I ever get wealthy. For now my PM performs all tasks well
enough.
robo hippy

If your lathe is too low, can't you mount it to a platform of some kind?

Seems like a cheap, immediate solution.


I think he's referring to turning over the ways, where you pretty much have
to be a right-hander, or do a bit of leaning if you're cutting with the
magic bowl gouge grinds. Those of us who trim with spindle gouges do not
have those problems, because the way we cut the tool merely extends our arm
from rim to button.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:09:06 -0400, "George" George@least wrote:


"Barry N. Turner" wrote in message
. ..
So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah, that's
a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)


Hmmmm. Quick figuring shows slightly over $5,500 in hardware, but I've got
a spare lathe included in that.

I've spent more than that in the last year, not counting the 2nd lathe, chain
saw, bandsaw, etc... lol
By hardware, I guess that doesn't include chisels, accessories, sanding
supplies, sharpening supplies, finishes, etc.??


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Lee,
The height of the lathe is one matter, while how you stand while
working is another. If the lathe is at the proper height, and you have
to bend or reach over the lathe to get the tools at the proper angle to
cut properly (this is more of a problem with bowls and end grain/boxes
than spindles) then this will put strain on your lower back. The
'Dunlaps disease is another matter (your belly dun laps over your
belt). Shoulders should be parallel to hips, and back should be
straight. Suck in your gut a little.
robo hippy

In article , "George" George@least
wrote:

Have to include those? What if you already had chain/band sander? Those
would kick it up close to _ another _ two grand in acquisition cost. Hate
to consider replacement, because it's well-said that "they don't make 'em
like they used to."

Of course you don't have to buy a chain saw, band saw or sander if your
turning interests don't require such tools. That's another reason to
start small and work your way up to the tools you need as your interests
develop. Also, how do you know the size of the tools to buy if you have
no turning experience or direction developed yet?

But then again, the OP may have bottom-less pocketses.

--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Safety Tip'o'th'week: Never grind aluminum and steel or iron on the same
machine or workstation - Thermite.
http://www.hanford.gov/lessons/sitell/ll01/2001-36.htm

In article .com,
"robo hippy" wrote:

I don't know if
the bigger Oneway performs any better than the PM, especially at twice
the cost. There is an advantage in the swiveling and sliding heads in
that they allow you to stand straight up. This posture can save a lot
of strain on the back if you turn for more that an hour or so a day. As
someone who turns mostly bowls,

From what I understand, the outboard end of the spindle is right-hand
threaded just like the inboard side. Get the outboard bed or a floor
tool stand, reverse the motor direction and turn outboard in a position
similar to the PM or a dedicated bowl lathe.

--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Safety Tip'o'th'week: Never grind aluminum and steel or iron on the same
machine or workstation - Thermite.
http://www.hanford.gov/lessons/sitell/ll01/2001-36.htm

There's a perceived direction. I'd love to do artsy-fartsy bowls and
figures.
After all this discussion I see attending that week class and hanging with
some of that club's members as critical.

It looks like some of YOU guys are the bottom-less pocketses - LOL. Probably
drive Prevost motor "coaches", too.

Difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Ain't it the
truth.

Tom Nie

"Owen Lowe" wrote in message
news
In article , "George" George@least
wrote:

Have to include those? What if you already had chain/band sander?
Those
would kick it up close to _ another _ two grand in acquisition cost.
Hate
to consider replacement, because it's well-said that "they don't make 'em
like they used to."

Of course you don't have to buy a chain saw, band saw or sander if your
turning interests don't require such tools. That's another reason to
start small and work your way up to the tools you need as your interests
develop. Also, how do you know the size of the tools to buy if you have
no turning experience or direction developed yet?

But then again, the OP may have bottom-less pocketses.

--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Safety Tip'o'th'week: Never grind aluminum and steel or iron on the same
machine or workstation - Thermite.
http://www.hanford.gov/lessons/sitell/ll01/2001-36.htm

I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah, that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is

that

over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,

WV

at Cedar Lakes.

In article .com,
"robo hippy" wrote:

Shoulders should be parallel to hips, and back should be
straight. Suck in your gut a little.

yeeeeees muuuuuther.

--
Owen Lowe

Northwest Woodturners,
Cascade Woodturners,
Pacific Northwest Woodturning Guild
___
Safety Tip'o'th'week: Never grind aluminum and steel or iron on the same
machine or workstation - Thermite.
http://www.hanford.gov/lessons/sitell/ll01/2001-36.htm

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..
I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill
=================
Hope to get one of those one day, if I can just get my old $800.00 F150 to
die!

Ken Moon
Webberville, TX.

"Ken Moon" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..
I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill
=================
Hope to get one of those one day, if I can just get my old $800.00 F150 to
die!


If mine are an indication, Rangers go at 190-210,000. Of course up here the
rust makes 'em ugly long before that.

Old snowmobile trailer for me. Now my daughter and her husband have a 250
Super Duty with 4WD ... ahhh, the A plan.

Bill,
Got it.
F350 Crew Cab, long bed, diesel, dually, 4x4 (actually got it for my
business but it works for other stuff).

And the ATV with the 2500# winch and cart wasn't bad yesterday as I went to
the bottoms to bring out some hickory, oak, and pecan. Buddy, it takes a man
to lift some of that stuff. I see a chainfall in the future to load some of
that stuff to turn. I wanted some pieces to try some of Todd Hoyer's crotch
work ideas. One of the pecan pieces was a crotch base with four branches -
that'll be interesting deciding how to cut.

Tom Nie


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..
I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:
So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah,
that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...

Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is

that

over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,

WV

at Cedar Lakes.

I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver -- hitchhoist
is the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes from the bed to
the ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Bill

Tom Nie wrote:
Bill,
Got it.
F350 Crew Cab, long bed, diesel, dually, 4x4 (actually got it for my
business but it works for other stuff).

And the ATV with the 2500# winch and cart wasn't bad yesterday as I went to
the bottoms to bring out some hickory, oak, and pecan. Buddy, it takes a man
to lift some of that stuff. I see a chainfall in the future to load some of
that stuff to turn. I wanted some pieces to try some of Todd Hoyer's crotch
work ideas. One of the pecan pieces was a crotch base with four branches -
that'll be interesting deciding how to cut.

Tom Nie


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..

I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:

So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah,
that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...


Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is

that


over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in Ripley,

WV


at Cedar Lakes.

Cool idea. Any pictures? Website?

TomNie
"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...
I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver -- hitchhoist is
the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes from the bed to the
ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Bill

Tom Nie wrote:
Bill,
Got it.
F350 Crew Cab, long bed, diesel, dually, 4x4 (actually got it for my
business but it works for other stuff).

And the ATV with the 2500# winch and cart wasn't bad yesterday as I went
to the bottoms to bring out some hickory, oak, and pecan. Buddy, it takes
a man to lift some of that stuff. I see a chainfall in the future to load
some of that stuff to turn. I wanted some pieces to try some of Todd
Hoyer's crotch work ideas. One of the pecan pieces was a crotch base with
four branches - that'll be interesting deciding how to cut.

Tom Nie


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..

I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:

So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah,
that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...


Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of
what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is

that


over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest.
I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career
is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in
Ripley,

WV


at Cedar Lakes.

"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...
I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver -- hitchhoist is
the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes from the bed to the
ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Lots of places sell them. A google search will turn up many sources. Here is
one.

http://www.hitches4less.com/hitch-ho...ck-crane-.html

I have a web site but some will consider this an advertisement --
www.stubbylatheusa.com. I don't have a picture of the hitchhoist on it
though.

Just a word about the hitchhoist --

You can buy a lift from Harbor Freight for a lot less money but it
really needs to be mounted to the bed of the truck. If you will look
under the bed of any pickup truck you will find that you are going to
have to do a lot of re-engineering.

Several have welded a receiver mounting plate for the cheap lift and
that is certainly a possible way to go. Remember, though, that when you
pick up the load, the rear of the truck goes down and if the load is on
a swinging arm it will swing -- not how you want it. The hitchhoist has
a way to deal with this. Another solution is to support the lift to the
ground but there are definitely some issues to be dealt with no matter
how you do it.

The hitchhoist is pricey...

Bill

Tom Nie wrote:
Cool idea. Any pictures? Website?

TomNie
"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...

I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver -- hitchhoist is
the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes from the bed to the
ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Bill

Tom Nie wrote:

Bill,
Got it.
F350 Crew Cab, long bed, diesel, dually, 4x4 (actually got it for my
business but it works for other stuff).

And the ATV with the 2500# winch and cart wasn't bad yesterday as I went
to the bottoms to bring out some hickory, oak, and pecan. Buddy, it takes
a man to lift some of that stuff. I see a chainfall in the future to load
some of that stuff to turn. I wanted some pieces to try some of Todd
Hoyer's crotch work ideas. One of the pecan pieces was a crotch base with
four branches - that'll be interesting deciding how to cut.

Tom Nie


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
om...


I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:


So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000? Yeah,
that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of woodturning
and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...



Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list of
what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then adding
the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the other is

that



over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the cheapest.
I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my career
is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in
Ripley,

WV



at Cedar Lakes.

To add a little more...

I bought mine from www.handsontools.com. Their price was the best I
found. It came UPS (2 cartons) and the hydraulic cylinder was missing.
It didn't fall out because the piece it was attached to was still
there -- somebody pulled a pin out to steal it.

They shipped a replacement immediately via LTL truck, I shipped the
incomplete one back and there was no hassle at all. My emails were
answered promptly.

I just looked at their site and didn't see it there, however. But, they
are good to deal with.

Bill

Bill Rubenstein wrote:
I have a web site but some will consider this an advertisement --
www.stubbylatheusa.com. I don't have a picture of the hitchhoist on it
though.

Just a word about the hitchhoist --

You can buy a lift from Harbor Freight for a lot less money but it
really needs to be mounted to the bed of the truck. If you will look
under the bed of any pickup truck you will find that you are going to
have to do a lot of re-engineering.

Several have welded a receiver mounting plate for the cheap lift and
that is certainly a possible way to go. Remember, though, that when you
pick up the load, the rear of the truck goes down and if the load is on
a swinging arm it will swing -- not how you want it. The hitchhoist has
a way to deal with this. Another solution is to support the lift to the
ground but there are definitely some issues to be dealt with no matter
how you do it.

The hitchhoist is pricey...

Bill

Tom Nie wrote:

Cool idea. Any pictures? Website?

TomNie
"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
...

I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver --
hitchhoist is the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes
from the bed to the ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Bill

Tom Nie wrote:

Bill,
Got it.
F350 Crew Cab, long bed, diesel, dually, 4x4 (actually got it for my
business but it works for other stuff).

And the ATV with the 2500# winch and cart wasn't bad yesterday as I
went to the bottoms to bring out some hickory, oak, and pecan.
Buddy, it takes a man to lift some of that stuff. I see a chainfall
in the future to load some of that stuff to turn. I wanted some
pieces to try some of Todd Hoyer's crotch work ideas. One of the
pecan pieces was a crotch base with four branches - that'll be
interesting deciding how to cut.

Tom Nie


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
. ..


I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all
this thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup
truck you need?

Bill

Barry N. Turner wrote:


So, you wanna know what turning is gonna cost you? $10,000?
Yeah, that's a
start, but doesn't take into account the addictive nature of
woodturning and
the never ending yearning for more/bigger/better tools and equipment.

To give you a better idea, consider what a week's supply of heroin
would
cost. Now, after a week on the stuff, you're hopelessly
addicted. Now,
consider the cost of the addiction for the rest of your life. :-)

Barry

.
"Tom Nie" wrote in message
...



Thanks for the responses to my other post.

The $10,000 came from sitting with a catalog and starting a list
of what
would be needed, or wanted, and came up with around $5000. Then
adding the
lathe, probably a Oneway. Basically a $5000 tag for a lathe.

Reason? To get some handle on where this all could go. And the
other is


that



over the years I've found that buying the cheapest is not the
cheapest. I
tend toward perfectionism and might complain of the failings of the
equipment if too cheap. My general equipment experience over my
career is
fairly extensive.

I've reservations in August to do a week of Basic Woodturning in
Ripley,


WV



at Cedar Lakes.

On 25 Jul 2005 10:46:01 -0700, "robo hippy" wrote:

Lee,
The height of the lathe is one matter, while how you stand while
working is another. If the lathe is at the proper height, and you have
to bend or reach over the lathe to get the tools at the proper angle to
cut properly (this is more of a problem with bowls and end grain/boxes
than spindles) then this will put strain on your lower back. The
'Dunlaps disease is another matter (your belly dun laps over your
belt). Shoulders should be parallel to hips, and back should be
straight. Suck in your gut a little.
robo hippy

well, though I tend to agree with Bill Grumbine that dunlaps are your "turning
muscle", I think that being out of position is not only hard on your back, but
has to effect your balance and body movement, too..
I'm trying to learn to turn with either hand, but sometimes, especially on deep
boxes, I just seem more comfortable working from the other side (back?) of the
lathe... might just be a correct handed thing, though..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:06:20 GMT, Bill Rubenstein wrote:

I just got back from AAW and so haven't had a chance to read all this
thread. But, has anybody mentioned the $30,000.00 pickup truck you need?

Bill

that's only until you get that really big lathe, then you trade up for a 1 ton
flat bed.. gotta have the proper tools.. *g*


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:13:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
m...
I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver -- hitchhoist is
the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes from the bed to the
ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Lots of places sell them. A google search will turn up many sources. Here is
one.

http://www.hitches4less.com/hitch-ho...ck-crane-.html


OUCH! I can hire a lot of immortal teenagers to lift stuff before I spend
$1,000...
Looks pretty cool, though.. I would of loved one when I was a weekend auto
mechanic..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

"mac davis" wrote
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:13:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"

wrote:


"Bill Rubenstein" wrote in message
om...
I have a hydraulic hoist which goes in the hitch receiver -- hitchhoist
is
the brand name. It was bought to lift 600 lb. lathes from the bed to the
ground and back but works equally well for logs.

Lots of places sell them. A google search will turn up many sources. Here
is
one.

http://www.hitches4less.com/hitch-ho...ck-crane-.html


OUCH! I can hire a lot of immortal teenagers to lift stuff before I spend
$1,000...
Looks pretty cool, though.. I would of loved one when I was a weekend auto
mechanic..

You can always weld something up if you have access to a welder. Hydraulic
jacks are reasonable.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:10 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

http://www.hitches4less.com/hitch-ho...ck-crane-.html


OUCH! I can hire a lot of immortal teenagers to lift stuff before I spend
$1,000...
Looks pretty cool, though.. I would of loved one when I was a weekend auto
mechanic..

You can always weld something up if you have access to a welder. Hydraulic
jacks are reasonable.

As a turner, I really don't have a use for one.. I pretty much cut blanks now
and then put them on th truck, or branch wood in 3 to 5 foot sections..

I guess if I was also resawing, I'd want longer, heavier pieces..
All the local forest here has is soft wood, so I really don't get into much
resawing..



mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Yep, but when your lathe is capable of 30" inboard, a bowl blank may
weigh close to 150 lbs -- beyond my ability to deal with. There is a
bowl on our dining room table now which is only 23" but roughed out it
came off the lathe at something north of 40 lbs.

Bill

mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:11:10 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:


http://www.hitches4less.com/hitch-ho...ck-crane-.html



OUCH! I can hire a lot of immortal teenagers to lift stuff before I spend
$1,000...
Looks pretty cool, though.. I would of loved one when I was a weekend auto
mechanic..


You can always weld something up if you have access to a welder. Hydraulic
jacks are reasonable.


As a turner, I really don't have a use for one.. I pretty much cut blanks now
and then put them on th truck, or branch wood in 3 to 5 foot sections..

I guess if I was also resawing, I'd want longer, heavier pieces..
All the local forest here has is soft wood, so I really don't get into much
resawing..



mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

"mac davis" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:13:35 -0400, "Lee Michaels"

wrote:
SNIP...........
OUCH! I can hire a lot of immortal teenagers to lift stuff before I spend
$1,000...
Looks pretty cool, though.. I would of loved one when I was a weekend auto
mechanic..
=======================
An alternative would be to check your classified ads under "hospital
equipment" (or whatever their equivalent is) and look for power
wheelchair/scooter lifts. A popular brand (or at least pushed by salesmen at
a local med equip place) is Bruno. One is a hydraulic arm, like an engine
hoist, that fits on a plate inside the van (or pickup) and swivels to allow
the chair or scooter to swing in and be lowered. I don't know the weight
limit, but many of the chairs and scooters are near or above 300 lbs. Since
it medical equip, there's probably a big safety factor built in, so it
should handle some pretty good sized turning stock.

Ken Moon
Webberville, TX.

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:27:37 -0700, Owen Lowe
wrote:

In article , "George" George@least
wrote:

Have to include those? What if you already had chain/band sander? Those
would kick it up close to _ another _ two grand in acquisition cost. Hate
to consider replacement, because it's well-said that "they don't make 'em
like they used to."

Of course you don't have to buy a chain saw, band saw or sander if your
turning interests don't require such tools. That's another reason to
start small and work your way up to the tools you need as your interests
develop. Also, how do you know the size of the tools to buy if you have
no turning experience or direction developed yet?

And, if you're willing to do it the hard way it's possible to rough
out even fairly large blanks the old fashioned way. After spending
way too much this last year, I've got myself a bow saw, a splitting
maul, and a cross-cutting axe for harvesting wood. Lot more work, but
you can do pretty much everything you need to for about $40.

That chainsaw is sure going be appreciated once it's in the budget,
though!

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...

That chainsaw is sure going be appreciated once it's in the budget,
though!

Bought one for my wife for Mother's day first year we moved here.

She bought me curtains for Father's day....

"George" George@least wrote in :


"Prometheus" wrote in message
...

That chainsaw is sure going be appreciated once it's in the budget,
though!

Bought one for my wife for Mother's day first year we moved here.

She bought me curtains for Father's day....


My wife & I decided one year that a rototiller was the best gift for our
anniversary.

I suspect your wife appreciates the firewood as much as mine appreciates
the fresh veggies.

Patriarch