Man Versus Nature
 

Ok, I keep urinal cake (naphtha) in my garbage can so the bears won't carry
the bags away to dine in the woods, never let the little dog out at night
without the big one to counter a single wolf, maintain an electric fence
around my garden so I won't be accused of baiting deer, and stomp my feet to
warn the big snakes of my approach. Today was time four that I had to chase
a turkey out of the vicinity of my garden. Too many to be a coincidence.
Though maybe he - it's a Tom - is strictly on an insect hunt, I wonder how
long it will take him to become a vegetarian when the peas come in. Anyone
have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to convince him
(them) that there are better places to eat?

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned with
hanging shining swinging things on it?

BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a turkey is
another experience altogether.

George wrote:
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have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to convince him
(them) that there are better places to eat?
I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned with
hanging shining swinging things on it?
BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a turkey is
another experience altogether.

Yup just a bit different than a pat. I've found that a full choke 20ga
with #4 works pretty well for turkey. Try for head shots so you don't
mess up the meat.

Dave in Fairfax (wish I was back in MI)
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Geez, you gotta scare them away?? The only wild turkeys I am familiar with
(from Western Kansas) wouldn't let you get within 200 yards. Extremely
skittish crtitters which is understandaable as folks hunted them.


"George" wrote in message
...
Ok, I keep urinal cake (naphtha) in my garbage can so the bears won't
carry
the bags away to dine in the woods, never let the little dog out at night
without the big one to counter a single wolf, maintain an electric fence
around my garden so I won't be accused of baiting deer, and stomp my feet
to
warn the big snakes of my approach. Today was time four that I had to
chase
a turkey out of the vicinity of my garden. Too many to be a coincidence.
Though maybe he - it's a Tom - is strictly on an insect hunt, I wonder how
long it will take him to become a vegetarian when the peas come in.
Anyone
have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to convince him
(them) that there are better places to eat?

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned
with
hanging shining swinging things on it?

BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a turkey is
another experience altogether.

"Dave in Fairfax" wrote in message
...
I've found that a full choke 20ga
with #4 works pretty well for turkey. Try for head shots so you don't
mess up the meat.


Got some skeet loads for the 20 Ga , come to think. No problem with my
conscience or the DNR if I do a Porky or groundhog, but the turkey might
offend both.

Got to go south of my south line into the next county for legal hunting
during the season....

George wrote:
Got some skeet loads for the 20 Ga , come to think. No problem with my
conscience or the DNR if I do a Porky or groundhog, but the turkey might
offend both.
Got to go south of my south line into the next county for legal hunting
during the season....

Too bad, I love wild turkey, the meat, not the drink. Can't stand store
bought.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax wrote in
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Dave, the Patina Tools website in your sig line comes up with a dns error,
at least from here. Since your posts are generally helpful, I thought I'd
try to take a look.

George, the turkeys have become a nuisance in rural areas of northern
California, too. But my mother used to find them a comfort, and would feed
them off of the back deck. Between that and the deer, they didn't try to
raise any veggies. Neighbors that wanted to needed pretty elaborate
fencing schemes. We put big cages aound the roses, and the deer pruned
whatever stuck out.

Patriarch,
launcher of three bowl blanks last night, before retiring to study methods.
again.

George wrote:

Anyone have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to
convince him
(them) that there are better places to eat?

George

This time of year they taste pretty good.

Fred

George wrote: Ok, I keep urinal cake (naphtha) in my garbage can so the
bears won't carry
the bags away to dine in the woods, never let the little dog out at
night
without the big one to counter a single wolf, maintain an electric
fence
around my garden so I won't be accused of baiting deer, and stomp my
feet to
warn the big snakes of my approach. Today was time four that I had to
chase
a turkey out of the vicinity of my garden. Too many to be a
coincidence.
Though maybe he - it's a Tom - is strictly on an insect hunt, I wonder
how
long it will take him to become a vegetarian when the peas come in.
Anyone
have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to convince
him
(them) that there are better places to eat?
I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,

don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned
with
hanging shining swinging things on it?
BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a turkey
is
another experience altogether.


Hey, I resent that! You might try a newsgroup called something, dot
rural. Those turkeys can get large, eh? And I think they can fly short
distances, like over walls(and electric fences). I've known folks to
plant more than they need just to give the local wildlife their cut,
but a turkey could damage a lot more than just his cut. I'm going for
fully enclosed wire mesh fencing! Tom

"tom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Those turkeys can get large, eh? And I think they can fly short
distances, like over walls(and electric fences). I've known folks to
plant more than they need just to give the local wildlife their cut,
but a turkey could damage a lot more than just his cut. I'm going for
fully enclosed wire mesh fencing! Tom


They fly _very_ well. The one the dog and I scared out - or got scared by -
this morning gained fifty feet or more in altitude in the first hundred feet
and flew with power to a spruce about 600 feet away.

I guess the Buddhist prayer wheel approach is the one I'll take. Been
wanting to get a couple whirligigs made anyway.

And I do so love fresh peas....

"Patriarch" wrote in message
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Patriarch,
launcher of three bowl blanks last night, before retiring to study
methods.
again.

Pin chuck!

"George" wrote in :


"Patriarch" wrote in message
. 97.136...
Patriarch,
launcher of three bowl blanks last night, before retiring to study
methods.
again.

Pin chuck!


Well, that makes more sense than the Nova Midi2, dovetail method. I blew
out two dovetailed bases with a heavy catch. Pretty certain that it was
operator error, and using too big a gouge on a modest sized bowl. I got a
load of 'iffy' walnut, and it's not as forgiving as some of the other woods
I've used. Lost one to ring shake, too. At least that one wasn't my
fault, and I had the sense to throw it in the 'interesting firewood' bin.

Patriarch

"George" wrote in message
...

They fly _very_ well. The one the dog and I scared out - or got scared
by -
this morning gained fifty feet or more in altitude in the first hundred
feet
and flew with power to a spruce about 600 feet away.
I guess the Buddhist prayer wheel approach is the one I'll take. Been
wanting to get a couple whirligigs made anyway.
And I do so love fresh peas....

George,
You might try contacting your local conservation officer. If they are doing
damage to your property(crops) it is possible they will either help you get
them to move or maybe give you a permit to shoot. (Yummy!)
Nic

Hi George

I see a few wild turkey around here but none have come into my garden,
not much to eat but flowers and weeds, only problem I have is rabbit and
the occasional groundhog and white tail, and one grouse, must have lost
its way, but since the turkey's hate flying I would go for high chicken
wire fencing, then again if really wanting to get your produce it'll be
hard to keep them out, maybe you have to make some turkey calls for
hunting season and claim some repayment.

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

George wrote:
Ok, I keep urinal cake (naphtha) in my garbage can so the bears won't carry
the bags away to dine in the woods, never let the little dog out at night
without the big one to counter a single wolf, maintain an electric fence
around my garden so I won't be accused of baiting deer, and stomp my feet to
warn the big snakes of my approach. Today was time four that I had to chase
a turkey out of the vicinity of my garden. Too many to be a coincidence.
Though maybe he - it's a Tom - is strictly on an insect hunt, I wonder how
long it will take him to become a vegetarian when the peas come in. Anyone
have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to convince him
(them) that there are better places to eat?

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned with
hanging shining swinging things on it?

BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a turkey is
another experience altogether.

Some years back a hen turkey moved into our yard for the winter. We
have a bird feeder hanging off our deck. Rather than fly to it, she
would walk up the 13 steps from the ground to the deck and then jump up
on the railing to eat from the feeder. When she was done she would jump
back down (we could always hear that) and she'd walk back down the steps.

We could sit inside at the sliding door less than 2' from her without
her being bothered. One day, though, I came around a corner, didn't know
she was there and when she saw me she took off -- it sounded like an F15
it was so loud.

This year we had a pair of hens in the neighborhood but they did not get
into the bird feeder habit. They did eat what fell on the ground
though. And if they were walking on the road they took their time
getting out of the way.

One snowy day I watched our neighbor shoveling snow off his deck right
onto one of the turkeys which was on the ground below. He didn't see
the turkey and she probably figured it had started to snow again.

Bill

Leo Van Der Loo wrote:

Hi George

I see a few wild turkey around here but none have come into my garden,
not much to eat but flowers and weeds, only problem I have is rabbit and
the occasional groundhog and white tail, and one grouse, must have lost
its way, but since the turkey's hate flying I would go for high chicken
wire fencing, then again if really wanting to get your produce it'll be
hard to keep them out, maybe you have to make some turkey calls for
hunting season and claim some repayment.

Have fun and take care
Leo Van Der Loo

George wrote:

Ok, I keep urinal cake (naphtha) in my garbage can so the bears won't
carry
the bags away to dine in the woods, never let the little dog out at night
without the big one to counter a single wolf, maintain an electric fence
around my garden so I won't be accused of baiting deer, and stomp my
feet to
warn the big snakes of my approach. Today was time four that I had to
chase
a turkey out of the vicinity of my garden. Too many to be a
coincidence.
Though maybe he - it's a Tom - is strictly on an insect hunt, I wonder
how
long it will take him to become a vegetarian when the peas come in.
Anyone
have any experience with wild turkeys? Suggestions on how to convince
him
(them) that there are better places to eat?

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned
with
hanging shining swinging things on it?

BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a
turkey is
another experience altogether.

Patriarch wrote:
Dave, the Patina Tools website in your sig line comes up with a dns error,
at least from here. Since your posts are generally helpful, I thought I'd
try to take a look.

My bad. I was doing things from memory after my system crashed.
Apparently the controller went out slowly, probably a hot chip failure.
Anywho, the backups I had were worthless, which makes only slightly
better than my memory. Try it with an org rather than a com and it'll
work. Sorry about that. Addresses, e-mail addys, and phone numbers
were fun, let me tell ya.

Dave in Fairfax
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"Leo Van Der Loo" wrote in message
...

Hi George

I see a few wild turkey around here but none have come into my garden,
not much to eat but flowers and weeds, only problem I have is rabbit and
the occasional groundhog and white tail, and one grouse, must have lost
its way, but since the turkey's hate flying I would go for high chicken
wire fencing, then again if really wanting to get your produce it'll be
hard to keep them out, maybe you have to make some turkey calls for
hunting season and claim some repayment.

Rabbit and groundhogs do not like the snakes, the largest of which is over
seven feet, so no problem there. Fencing would really be a hardship,
because I've got three strands of that polypropylene and steel thread wire
for the deer, though perhaps some of that sheep fence with both barrier and
electric might do. Deer jump barrier fence.

For now, the scareturkey, and a bit more outside time for the big dog might
convince him to relocate.

I heard him or one of his buddies calling this spring just south of the old
orchard. also caught sight of him dallying with the hussy from down by the
power line cut. Another dozen for next year....

"Patriarch" wrote in message
. 97.136...
,
launcher of three bowl blanks last night, before retiring to study
methods.
again.

Pin chuck!


Well, that makes more sense than the Nova Midi2, dovetail method. I blew
out two dovetailed bases with a heavy catch. Pretty certain that it was
operator error, and using too big a gouge on a modest sized bowl. I got a
load of 'iffy' walnut, and it's not as forgiving as some of the other
woods
I've used. Lost one to ring shake, too. At least that one wasn't my
fault, and I had the sense to throw it in the 'interesting firewood' bin.

Well, catches are certainly technique not nature, but you can help nature
and Newton a bit by keeping that center post inside and a tailstock drawn up
until things are at their lightest and most balanced.
http://personalpages.tds.net/~upgeor...ugh%20Page.htm

If you have doubt on either a tenon or recess, run some water-thin CA into
the endgrain to firm it up. Even helps if you have one of the "gripping"
types of chuck, because wood is going to split out along the grain, and you
don't want to create a place for it to start. When I have wet sapwood to
hold, this is almost automatic.

With support from a toolrest there isn't such a thing as a too-small gouge
inside, that's for sure. But we do get impatient and chose too large once
in a while. I have a 1" bowl gouge that's really too big after about the 9"
interior diameter point, but he hogs so well down to that point I sometimes
have to force myself to downsize.

George wrote:
Rabbit and groundhogs do not like the snakes, the largest of which is over
seven feet, so no problem there. Fencing would really be a hardship,
because I've got three strands of that polypropylene and steel thread wire
for the deer, though perhaps some of that sheep fence with both barrier and
electric might do. Deer jump barrier fence.
For now, the scareturkey, and a bit more outside time for the big dog might
convince him to relocate.
I heard him or one of his buddies calling this spring just south of the old
orchard. also caught sight of him dallying with the hussy from down by the
power line cut. Another dozen for next year....

Blue Racers and Gopher snakes are fun to play with, and the Indigos get
huge and are gentle. As for the rabbits and deer, I definitely hear
dinner being called.

Dave in Fairfax
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In article , "George" wrote:

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned with
hanging shining swinging things on it?

How about a 12ga with about #4 shot? I hear they taste pretty good.

BTW, for those who have been startled by a pheasant or grouse, a turkey is
another experience altogether.

That's no lie. I jumped a pair of them while deer hunting one year. They ran
*toward* me, and then a good thirty yards past, before taking wing. Sounded
like a train coming through the leaves... waaaaay more noise than a grouse.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

Man Versus Nature
 

George wrote:

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the searches,
don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe something turned with
hanging shining swinging things on it?


I don't know where to find it or even what it's definitely called but
there is an electronic scarecrow thingy that actually shoots intruders
with a jet of water. It senses them, aims and squirts all on its own.

Sounds like it might work for you.

Around here (metropolitan Detroit) we are getting buried in goose poop
that we are not allowed to invite to dinner although I've considered
inviting a couple to play golf. Fore! Honk! Splat.

I've never played golf before. What club should I use and do you think
it would help if I bought some plaid pants?

Bill

Man Versus Nature
 

Bill in Detroit wrote in
:

George wrote:

I'm thinking of a scareturkey, but with no information in the
searches, don't know if I would just be wasting my time. Maybe
something turned with hanging shining swinging things on it?


I don't know where to find it or even what it's definitely called but
there is an electronic scarecrow thingy that actually shoots intruders
with a jet of water. It senses them, aims and squirts all on its own.

Sounds like it might work for you.

Around here (metropolitan Detroit) we are getting buried in goose poop
that we are not allowed to invite to dinner although I've considered
inviting a couple to play golf. Fore! Honk! Splat.

I've never played golf before. What club should I use and do you think
it would help if I bought some plaid pants?

Bill


Around here, suburban San Francisco, the Canadian geese stop for lunch,
and move in, at the golf courses. Some of the courses get dogs,
generally small collies of some sort, to 'keep them moving'. Only sorta
works. The poop piles up.

The water scarecrow here is sold in hardware stores, mostly for nuisance
deer abatement.

Patriarch,
not going to comment on the plaid pants....