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Underfloor heating high running costs
I moved into a newly built house last October with Underfloor heating.
The problem is it is using 1000 litres of oil on average every 6 weeks. The house is approx 2000 sq ft. I have had the boiler checked out (commissioned and serviced) but no joy. I have the temp at the boiler set to the lowest setting (dial reads 0 to 5 not temp so don't know exactly what temp this is). Each room has own REHAU stat and these are set around 20 - 22 degrees. Only prob is the control doesn't seem to be great - some rooms warm some colder. I was thinking of changing the room stats to see if I could get better control and better efficiency. I have also had a UFH installer check out the system. He says it should be ok. Any ideas out there?? |
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nospam wrote:
Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? -- Grunff |
"nospam" wrote in message ... wrote: I moved into a newly built house last October with Underfloor heating. The problem is it is using 1000 litres of oil on average every 6 weeks. The house is approx 2000 sq ft. I have had the boiler checked out (commissioned and serviced) but no joy. I have the temp at the boiler set to the lowest setting (dial reads 0 to 5 not temp so don't know exactly what temp this is). Each room has own REHAU stat and these are set around 20 - 22 degrees. Only prob is the control doesn't seem to be great - some rooms warm some colder. I was thinking of changing the room stats to see if I could get better control and better efficiency. I have also had a UFH installer check out the system. He says it should be ok. Any ideas out there?? Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Selfbuild/ -- 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Don't want to alarm you but is it possible you might have an oil leak some where and an undetected oil slick building up on the scale of the Exxon Valdez? |
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:53:27 +0000, Grunff wrote:
Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? Doesn't apply to everyone, but one or two candidates (okay, one candidate) would step up to volunteer :) Andrew Please note that the email address used for posting usenet messages is configured such that my antispam filter will automatically update itself so that the senders email address is flagged as spam. If you do need to contact me please visit my web site and submit an enquiry - http://www.kazmax.co.uk |
RedOnRed wrote:
"nospam" wrote in message ... wrote: I moved into a newly built house last October with Underfloor heating. The problem is it is using 1000 litres of oil on average every 6 weeks. The house is approx 2000 sq ft. I have had the boiler checked out (commissioned and serviced) but no joy. I have the temp at the boiler set to the lowest setting (dial reads 0 to 5 not temp so don't know exactly what temp this is). Each room has own REHAU stat and these are set around 20 - 22 degrees. Only prob is the control doesn't seem to be great - some rooms warm some colder. I was thinking of changing the room stats to see if I could get better control and better efficiency. I have also had a UFH installer check out the system. He says it should be ok. Any ideas out there?? Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Selfbuild/ -- 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Not particularly, in a big house in a cold late winter. Don't want to alarm you but is it possible you might have an oil leak some where and an undetected oil slick building up on the scale of the Exxon Valdez? I'd say you have less than ideal insulation somwehere. Or a wife who opens the windows when shee feels too hot, rather than turning down the heating..;-) |
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Philosopher writes RedOnRed wrote: "nospam" wrote in message ... wrote: I moved into a newly built house last October with Underfloor heating. The problem is it is using 1000 litres of oil on average every 6 weeks. The house is approx 2000 sq ft. I have had the boiler checked out (commissioned and serviced) but no joy. I have the temp at the boiler set to the lowest setting (dial reads 0 to 5 not temp so don't know exactly what temp this is). Each room has own REHAU stat and these are set around 20 - 22 degrees. Only prob is the control doesn't seem to be great - some rooms warm some colder. I was thinking of changing the room stats to see if I could get better control and better efficiency. I have also had a UFH installer check out the system. He says it should be ok. Any ideas out there?? Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Selfbuild/ -- 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Not particularly, in a big house in a cold late winter. Its unusual in a new house though, 2000sq ft is larger than average but not huge, ours is the same size, built 10 yrs ago and we use about 2500ltr per yr, we don't have UFH though. Don't want to alarm you but is it possible you might have an oil leak some where and an undetected oil slick building up on the scale of the Exxon Valdez? I'd say you have less than ideal insulation somwehere. Or a wife who opens the windows when shee feels too hot, rather than turning down the heating..;-) -- David |
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message . .. RedOnRed wrote: "nospam" wrote in message ... wrote: I moved into a newly built house last October with Underfloor heating. The problem is it is using 1000 litres of oil on average every 6 weeks. The house is approx 2000 sq ft. I have had the boiler checked out (commissioned and serviced) but no joy. I have the temp at the boiler set to the lowest setting (dial reads 0 to 5 not temp so don't know exactly what temp this is). Each room has own REHAU stat and these are set around 20 - 22 degrees. Only prob is the control doesn't seem to be great - some rooms warm some colder. I was thinking of changing the room stats to see if I could get better control and better efficiency. I have also had a UFH installer check out the system. He says it should be ok. Any ideas out there?? Bear in mind that a new house will take some time for all water in the fabric to dry out but your usage does seem very high. Are you sure you need the same temperatures all over the house? Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Selfbuild/ Surely you are not suggesting they too have someone who is both an expert in everything and a legend in his own mind? (Perhaps he will go there to share his contributions?) 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Not particularly, in a big house in a cold late winter. I know of one really big old house 5 bedroom house, built around 200 years ago so the only insulation was in the loft, which used that sort of quantity but I'd hate to think that anything built new would use fuel at that rate. Don't want to alarm you but is it possible you might have an oil leak some where and an undetected oil slick building up on the scale of the Exxon Valdez? Easy to check if you have a sight tube type gauge, turn off the boiler, turn off the fuel tank outlet, turn on the gauge isolator if there is one and observe over a day or so if there is any lowering of the gauge. If there is a significant fall it will need urgent attention. If it is a small fall try to ensure its not just thermal contraction effects I'd say you have less than ideal insulation somwehere. Or a wife who opens the windows when shee feels too hot, rather than turning down the heating..;-) Quite! |
wrote in message ... Or a wife who opens the windows when shee feels too hot, rather than turning down the heating..;-) Advice to husband: if she does that simply close the windows and turn down the heating. Advice to wife: if husband does that close the windows, turn down heating and make him put another layer on. Nothing's simple with husbands. -- David |
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Or a wife who opens the windows when shee feels too hot, rather than turning down the heating..;-) I've got one of those...Must be a common species. :) Lee -- Email address is valid, but is unlikely to be read. |
Grunff wrote:
nospam wrote: Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? Yes. Next -- |
"Nospam" wrote in message ... Grunff wrote: nospam wrote: Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? Yes. Including you? Mary |
Could someone be stealing it?
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Huge wrote:
writes: In article , The Natural Philosopher writes [29 lines snipped] 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Not particularly, in a big house in a cold late winter. Piffle. We have a big, exposed house and get through about 1300 litres a *year*. Big and exposed are relative terms. Most peole I know in similar sized houses (about the size of 3 or 4 so called 'family' 4 bed houses) burn the same sort of fuel rates as I do. |
Agree - Fathers house has 6 bedrooms, is an irregular shape (big wall area for
the accommodation, old house, poor insulation, no wall insulation, Aga on for 6 months, and he uses about 1200 litres a year. Its generally comfortable, though not "hot" inside. Nick "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... Huge wrote: writes: In article , The Natural Philosopher writes [29 lines snipped] 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Not particularly, in a big house in a cold late winter. Piffle. We have a big, exposed house and get through about 1300 litres a *year*. Big and exposed are relative terms. Most peole I know in similar sized houses (about the size of 3 or 4 so called 'family' 4 bed houses) burn the same sort of fuel rates as I do. |
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... 1000 litres of oil every 6 weeks does seem highly excessive. Not particularly, in a big house in a cold late winter. Piffle. We have a big, exposed house and get through about 1300 litres a *year*. Big and exposed are relative terms. Most peole I know in similar sized houses (about the size of 3 or 4 so called 'family' 4 bed houses) burn the same sort of fuel rates as I do. I think the irregular item is actually the shape of those inside. A divorced friend got remarried and usage jumped by 200 %. |
"Nospam" wrote in message
... Grunff wrote: nospam wrote: Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? Yes. And you are reading uk.d-i-y because............? David |
Mary Fisher wrote:
wrote in message ... Or a wife who opens the windows when shee feels too hot, rather than turning down the heating..;-) Advice to husband: if she does that simply close the windows and turn down the heating. Yeah, right! ;-) Advice to wife: if husband does that close the windows, turn down heating and make him put another layer on. Nothing's simple with husbands. With husbands??! David |
Lobster wrote:
"Nospam" wrote in message ... Grunff wrote: nospam wrote: Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? Yes. And you are reading uk.d-i-y because............? It's hilarious reading Dr Combi's diatribes and the original posters message was just a typical post like a red rag to a bull that would have the know it all tosspots preaching on ufh when 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% (approx) of them haven't even seen a system let alone installed or lived with one. Next -- |
"Nospam" wrote in message ... Lobster wrote: "Nospam" wrote in message ... Grunff wrote: nospam wrote: Subscribe to the uk selfbuild group on yahoo for an authoritative answer - loads of ufh expertise there Whereas around here we're all a bunch of know-nothing morons? Yes. And you are reading uk.d-i-y because............? It's hilarious reading Dr Combi's diatribes and the original posters message was just a typical post like a red rag to a bull that would have the know it all tosspots preaching on ufh when 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% (approx) of them haven't even seen a system let alone installed or lived with one. Next This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote:
This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. No spammer here Dr Freezing as the email return address is totally valid (unlike yours I suspect) I've been on Usenet in one form or another for around 15 years and despise spamming. I have used the same email address for around 10 years now and after some slip ups in the past now need strict email filters. But before you email me details of your books 'how my life was changed by the combi', 'boilers I have known' , 'two is better than one' and 'ice cold in grimsby' the address that is used on Usenet postings is routinely dumped. I sell, and manufacture a premium product but nothing that I suspect would remotely interest anyone in this newsgroup, nor is it a competitor to anything that anyone, including you, have to my knowledge ever mentioned in this newsgroup. Indeed there are possibly only two very low volume newsgroups that might be of interest to my customers yet I post to neither. But i'm totally convinced by the combi boiler Dr Freezing. So much so i'm fitting one in the next couple of weeks. But before you get carried away and ejaculate in your shorts i'm moving house shortly afterwards so some other poor sop can fill their bath in around 25 mins while mine fills to the brim in less time than it takes to have a huge morning fart, scratch my arse, have a ****, clean my teeth and have a shave. Some days when I need an early **** i'd prefer it to fill a little slower. To keep this remotely on topic can you tell me how I convince a future house buyer that a "12 litre per minute 35 deg rise combi" is suitable for anyone who ever takes a bath when, and this has been accurately measured, my boiler gives me a litre of water at 60 deg C every 4 seconds from a 8.5 deg C supply. Give me something like that in a SINGLE boiler casing of around 600 x 450 x 350 and i'll buy a hundred of the things off you at your cost plus 50%. -- |
"Nospam" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote: This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. No spammer here Dr Freezing as the email return address is totally valid (unlike yours I suspect) I've been on Usenet in one form or another for around 15 years and despise spamming. I have used the same email address for around 10 years now and after some slip ups in the past now need strict email filters. You doth protest too much. You are spammer. Come from nowhere with venom. There are a few here and Speedfit had one here to do the same thing. snip crap by spammer But i'm totally convinced by the combi boiler Dr Freezing. So much so i'm fitting one in the next couple of weeks. But before you get carried away and ejaculate in your shorts i'm moving house shortly afterwards so some other poor sop can fill their bath in around 25 mins You are irresponsible and a shark. You could have installed a high flowrate model, but picked an inappropriate model. I hope the buyer sees this and drops the price accordingly. snip crap by a spammer To keep this remotely on topic can you tell me how I convince a future house buyer that a "12 litre per minute 35 deg rise combi" is suitable for anyone who ever takes a bath It is if you want to wait, normally this is unacceptable. Do not try and do a bull**** job on an unsuspecting buyer. Rip it out now and put a high flowrate model in, or install another combi and combine the outlets for the bath. You are obviously going to mislead and lie trio sell your house. when, and this has been accurately measured, my boiler gives me a litre of water at 60 deg C every 4 seconds from a 8.5 deg C supply. 15 litres/min. Not a lot. Two combi's coupled together will do that; nice and neat on the wall. Fabulous. Give me something like that in a SINGLE boiler casing of around 600 x 450 x 350 and i'll buy a hundred of the things off you at your cost plus 50%. They are there Mr Spammer, look at Takagi and Rinnai who are the big players. The largest output instant water heater the world is a Takagi at 50 litres per minute at 380,000 BTU/hr. Yes 50 litres/min and never runs out. Fabulous! _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... snip This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. Classic, from someone who can do nothing more than quote the web sites of 'pet' products without understanding the first thing about them.... |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... snip This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. ....Jerry the brainbox of the ng interjects.... Classic, from someone .....I had to snip it as you would have been bored.... _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... snip This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. ...Jerry the brainbox of the ng interjects.... Classic, from someone At least I'm not the brain-dead of the ng, unlike the moron I'm replying to ! |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... ....our resident brainbox storms away...... At least I'm not the brain-dead of the ng, .......yes he said that......he believes he is not brain-dead.....make your own minds up nice people....make your own minds up.... _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... ...our resident brainbox storms away...... At least I'm not the brain-dead of the ng, ......yes he said that......he believes he is not brain-dead.....make your own minds up nice people....make your own minds up.... Well, considering that comparing with yourself, 'Noddy' and 'Big Ears' look like Einstein ! |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... ...our resident brainbox storms away...... At least I'm not the brain-dead of the ng, ......yes he said that......he believes he is not brain-dead.....make your own minds up nice people....make your own minds up.... ....our debatable brain-dead person enters once again..... Well, considering that comparing with yourself, 'Noddy' and 'Big Ears' ....yes you did read correctly...Noddy and Big Ears....yes he is into those two..... _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ...our debatable brain-dead person enters once again..... Yes you have. |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ...our debatable brain-dead person enters once again..... .....our debatably brain-dead person enters once again.....and says.... Yes you have. .....confusion exists within the brain....yes it does.... _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ...our debatable brain-dead person enters once again..... ....our debatably brain-dead person enters once again.....and says.... Yes you have. ....confusion exists within the brain....yes it does.... No confusion here, can't answer for you though, other than to suggest you stop digging ! |
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ":::Jerry::::" wrote in message ... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... ...our debatable brain-dead person enters once again..... ....our debatably brain-dead person enters once again.....and says.... Yes you have. ....confusion exists within the brain....yes it does.... ...........he interjects yet again.... No confusion here, can't answer for you though, other than to suggest you stop digging ! ....yes...tell tale signs there....not aware of his condition....and he is into DIY digging....as long as he is not dangerous then all is well for society at large... _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
"Doctor Evil" wrote in message ...
"Nospam" wrote in message ... Lobster wrote: This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. I openly admit I don't know much about UFH, why else would I be asking for help/ideas - I didn't install it. All I have is a room stat in each room to control the temperature. I have tried to contact the builder but he has got the money and does'nt give a damn. And no actually I'm not a spammer, just someone who has excessively high fuel bills. What exactly in my original message did I try to promote or discredit??? _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
wrote in message om... "Doctor Evil" wrote in message ... "Nospam" wrote in message ... Lobster wrote: This one clearly doesn't know too much at all. I think he is a spammer of some company to promote or dicredit something. There have been too many of them on here lately. I openly admit I don't know much about UFH, why else would I be asking for help/ideas - I didn't install it. All I have is a room stat in each room to control the temperature. I have tried to contact the builder but he has got the money and does'nt give a damn. And no actually I'm not a spammer, just someone who has excessively high fuel bills. What exactly in my original message did I try to promote or discredit??? The comments were aimed at nospam, not you, unless you are nospam, then they are aimed at you. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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