Super glue on a car dash
 

Some one I know, super glued something to his car dash board. He had
tried double sided sticky pads, but from what he tells me, I suspect a
coat of wax polish or similar made the bond fail.

He then asked me what to use to get rid of the glue. I advised him that
I would put this question to this group, but before I got back to my
keyboard, some one else has advised him to use nail varnish remover.

Because of the acetone, you can imagine the mess. So now to my question...

What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?
Also, what should he have used in the first place? If anything.

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Dave

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:32:24 +0000 (UTC), Dave
strung together this:

What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?
Also, what should he have used in the first place? If anything.

Umm.....

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies

.....ah, in that case buy a new car.
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Lurch wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:32:24 +0000 (UTC), Dave
strung together this:


What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?
Also, what should he have used in the first place? If anything.


Umm.....


By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies


....ah, in that case buy a new car.

I would agree with you about the car.
I hate anything that the French produce.

But the man is an African Asian and is probably one of the best Indian
chefs in Lancashire.
He is a very nice man and I would like to help him.

I had the idea of light use of some very very high numbered wet and dry,
but I think that it would not get into the bottom of the texture of the
dash.

Any one got any ideas?


Dave

Dave wrote:

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Before the acetone, he may have got away with superglue remover, or just
careful scraping with a small object. Now however it sounds like it may
be a job for one of the roving vinyl repair franchisees... Don't
remember the name of the particular firm, but there is at least one that
specialises in repairs to plastic on cars, and that includes the ability
to re-texture and colour match the repair to the original.

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Dave wrote:

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Before the acetone, he may have got away with superglue remover, or just
careful scraping with a small object. Now however it sounds like it may be
a job for one of the roving vinyl repair franchisees... Don't remember the
name of the particular firm, but there is at least one that specialises in
repairs to plastic on cars, and that includes the ability to re-texture
and colour match the repair to the original.

Why does it matter?

I'm serious.

Mary

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John Rumm wrote:
Dave wrote:

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and
the dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of
the make at the time.


Before the acetone, he may have got away with superglue remover, or just
careful scraping with a small object. Now however it sounds like it may
be a job for one of the roving vinyl repair franchisees... Don't
remember the name of the particular firm, but there is at least one that
specialises in repairs to plastic on cars, and that includes the ability
to re-texture and colour match the repair to the original.


I didn't know about them. Thanks for the info

Dave

Mary Fisher wrote:

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...

Dave wrote:


By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Before the acetone, he may have got away with superglue remover, or just
careful scraping with a small object. Now however it sounds like it may be
a job for one of the roving vinyl repair franchisees... Don't remember the
name of the particular firm, but there is at least one that specialises in
repairs to plastic on cars, and that includes the ability to re-texture
and colour match the repair to the original.


Why does it matter?

I'm serious.

I'll ask him at lunch time tomorrow. (it's a real ale pub and I like to
pay a visit at 12 noon, before the smokers get it, to sample the vast
array of ales that the landlord puts on the bar) But I susoect he does
not like the white to dark grey that has been produced on his dash board.

Dave

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Before the acetone, he may have got away with superglue remover, or just
careful scraping with a small object. Now however it sounds like it may
be a job for one of the roving vinyl repair franchisees... Don't
remember the name of the particular firm, but there is at least one that
specialises in repairs to plastic on cars, and that includes the ability
to re-texture and colour match the repair to the original.


round here the franchise would be "Plastic Surgeon", that's in devon.cheers

Dave wrote:

Some one I know, super glued something to his car dash board. He had
tried double sided sticky pads, but from what he tells me, I suspect a
coat of wax polish or similar made the bond fail.

He then asked me what to use to get rid of the glue. I advised him that
I would put this question to this group, but before I got back to my
keyboard, some one else has advised him to use nail varnish remover.

Because of the acetone, you can imagine the mess. So now to my question...

What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?
Also, what should he have used in the first place? If anything.

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Dave

Ther are only two chemicals known to remiove CA and they are acetone and
nirtomethane.

Both are aggressive solvents.

The dash is buggered.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:

Some one I know, super glued something to his car dash board. He had
tried double sided sticky pads, but from what he tells me, I suspect a
coat of wax polish or similar made the bond fail.

He then asked me what to use to get rid of the glue. I advised him that
I would put this question to this group, but before I got back to my
keyboard, some one else has advised him to use nail varnish remover.

Because of the acetone, you can imagine the mess. So now to my
question...

What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?
Also, what should he have used in the first place? If anything.

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Dave

Ther are only two chemicals known to remiove CA and they are acetone and
nirtomethane.

Both are aggressive solvents.

The dash is buggered.

There are a few others that would probably work, but you don't want to use
them, let alone be in the same room as an open bottle of the stuff. Things
I've used during my degree to dissolve similar polymers I made, read - to
clean glassware after experimental failures ;)

Dimethylformamide - extremely nasty and very carcinogenic. I'm sure my tutor
was paraphrasing when he told me it would probably dissolve anything, but
because it was so nasty, it was preferable to look for another option than
to try this route. Unfortunately I did have to use this a few times.

Methylene chloride - another nasty one, unfortunately I had to use several
gallons of this to dissolve my project, accidentally whiffed once and gave
me a headache that lasted all day. Says carcinogenic to rats on the safety
data sheets :( Suspect not as effective as others though, as there was a lot
of stuff I couldn't dissolve in it, as above.

Methylpyrrolidinone - avoid anything with "pyrrol" in the word - it will
probably smell very very bad. Definitely avoid anything with "pyrrolidinone"
in - it smells worse. Luckily I only had to use this once.

Methyl ethyl ketone - very very whiffy, another not to be used. Didn't use
much.

Nitromethane - fairly easy to explode this, add ethylene diamine to give a
common explosive called PLX. This is a liquid explosive from which you'll
get a fairly spectacular bang. Would think the components would be hard to
get hold of for this reason.

Acetone - probably the least hazardous of the lot, but still whiffy. Was a
handy cleaner around the lab when I couldn't use water, used loads of it. I
think it has a rather pleasing aroma, but some people say it's nasty. Good
for removing superglue from fingers and most hard surfaces though. You can
find it in nail varnish remover, but remember, that a lot of nail varnish
removers today are based on isopropyl alcohol, which is no good.

Marcus

Marcus Fox wrote:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:


Some one I know, super glued something to his car dash board. He had
tried double sided sticky pads, but from what he tells me, I suspect a
coat of wax polish or similar made the bond fail.

He then asked me what to use to get rid of the glue. I advised him that
I would put this question to this group, but before I got back to my
keyboard, some one else has advised him to use nail varnish remover.

Because of the acetone, you can imagine the mess. So now to my

question...

What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?
Also, what should he have used in the first place? If anything.

By the way, the car is made by one of the top 2 French companies and the
dash is a dark grey in colour, though I didn't take much notice of the
make at the time.

Dave

Ther are only two chemicals known to remiove CA and they are acetone and
nirtomethane.

Both are aggressive solvents.

The dash is buggered.


There are a few others that would probably work, but you don't want to use
them, let alone be in the same room as an open bottle of the stuff. Things
I've used during my degree to dissolve similar polymers I made, read - to
clean glassware after experimental failures ;)

Dimethylformamide - extremely nasty and very carcinogenic. I'm sure my tutor
was paraphrasing when he told me it would probably dissolve anything, but
because it was so nasty, it was preferable to look for another option than
to try this route. Unfortunately I did have to use this a few times.

Methylene chloride - another nasty one, unfortunately I had to use several
gallons of this to dissolve my project, accidentally whiffed once and gave
me a headache that lasted all day. Says carcinogenic to rats on the safety
data sheets :( Suspect not as effective as others though, as there was a lot
of stuff I couldn't dissolve in it, as above.

Methylpyrrolidinone - avoid anything with "pyrrol" in the word - it will
probably smell very very bad. Definitely avoid anything with "pyrrolidinone"
in - it smells worse. Luckily I only had to use this once.

Methyl ethyl ketone - very very whiffy, another not to be used. Didn't use
much.

Nitromethane - fairly easy to explode this, add ethylene diamine to give a
common explosive called PLX. This is a liquid explosive from which you'll
get a fairly spectacular bang. Would think the components would be hard to
get hold of for this reason.

Acetone - probably the least hazardous of the lot, but still whiffy. Was a
handy cleaner around the lab when I couldn't use water, used loads of it. I
think it has a rather pleasing aroma, but some people say it's nasty. Good
for removing superglue from fingers and most hard surfaces though. You can
find it in nail varnish remover, but remember, that a lot of nail varnish
removers today are based on isopropyl alcohol, which is no good.

Marcus


I did some fairly heavy research on CA, and the two I mentined are the
only ones that are reckind to work.

Certianly methylene chloride and methyl ethyle ketone don;t.

The others were nport mentined in teh reserach I did.

Yu can buy CA debonder at model shops. I think its acetone and nitro
mixed. plus a thickening agent.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:55:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:


Ther are only two chemicals known to remiove CA and they are acetone and
nirtomethane.

Both are aggressive solvents.

The dash is buggered.

The dash is coated with a very thin film of silicon oil mould release
agent from manufacture which is why it is so difficult to get things
to stick to it. I've seen superglue removed by simply leaving
several layers of wet rags on top for a day or three (keeping them
wet) and then rubbing with a coarse rag and hot soapy water. The
other thing which appeared to work well (after the water treatment)
was a rubbing rad and a bit of cooking oil. Most cyanoacrylate
adhesives have poor water resistance and this combined with the
effect of the mould release agent makes them quite easy to remove.



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Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

What can he do to the dash to limit the damage and colour change?

Which panel of the dash is it?

A local scrapyard can often supply replacements. Replacing the main unit
isn't for the faint hearted, but most of the facing panels detach separately
and are easy to replace, especially when you practiced dismantling it first,
so know where the clips and screws go.

Christian.