David R ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I'm looking for some envelopes to send letters in. I would be
writing as a householder and not as a business.

The people I might write to would be companies and organisations like
a supermarket's customer services, the local council's planning
department or the health authority.

What do you reckon?

I reckon you need to get a life.

The people who action your letters won't even see the envelope - they'll
have been opened, read and sorted by the postroom.

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I knmow it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail below.

Thanks for any feedback!
David

===========

I'm looking for some envelopes to send letters in. I would be
writing as a householder and not as a business.

Why not just get some pre-paid envelopes from the Royal Mail.
(www.royalmail.com)They look a bit more serious i suppose than an envelope
having a stamp on and i think, are available in different sizes, with
windows or window-less.

Scoob

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I knmow it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail below.

Thanks for any feedback!
snip

White DL window self-seal, judging by the number of boxes of the dammed
things I used to have to shift, I doubt things have changed that much since.

Buy from a reputable source as self seal 'gum' can go off in time, you then
either have to scrap them or use sticky tape to seal them !

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

SNIP
A Hand Written Letter Always Gets My Notice.
Baz

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:51 GMT, David R wrote:

I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Who in their right mind would want to help someone spam the world with
even more crummy junk mail?

The envelopes which get my attention are big red uninvitd ones that
say "Please let me rip you off and take up your time with some
devious ****e."

Hope this helps.

PS, you are in the wrong group.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

snip

White DL window self-seal, judging by the number of boxes of the dammed
things I used to have to shift, I doubt things have changed that much
since.


I should have added top flap and not end, IYSWIM

Send them by recorded delivery. It may cost a bit more (65p?) but it
certainly gets them noticed.

Robert

I found this Royal Mail page http://tinyurl.com/3wvxr

Second class envelopes are £29.50 for 100 which is a bit pricey as a
second class stamp is only 21p.

So 8.5p for an envelope then. Were you expecting them for free?

--
Peter

Get Circumcised to e-mail me

AstraVanMan ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

Second class envelopes are £29.50 for 100 which is a bit pricey as a
second class stamp is only 21p.

So 8.5p for an envelope then. Were you expecting them for free?

Compared to £2.24 for 50 from Staples - still "a bit pricey". But you're
paying for convenience.

David R wrote:

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:51 GMT, David R
wrote:

I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I know it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail
below.

On 15 Feb 2005, Catman wrote:

Thick, cream laid (I think it's called) Hand written in fountain
pen.

Don't you think that looks like it is trying to impress? Like
something from an advertising agency rather than something which is
inherently important?

Well, yes. It *is* trying tom impress. I would *always* open a hand written
letter.
--
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Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
Alfa 116 Giulietta 3.0l (Really) Sprint 1.7 75 2.0 TS
Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

David R wrote:
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

Crappy manila.

Get "Notice of Intended Prosecution" stamped on it reasonably
professionally.

That'll get their attention ;-)

--
http://www.speedlimit.org.uk
"The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime
and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of civilisation in any
country." (Winston Churchill)

On 15 Feb 2005 16:10:59 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

|
| I receive hundreds of items of marketing literature a week. I don't
| give a toss what kind of envelope it's in. It all goes in the bin.

Why let them fell trees, just for you to throw in the bin
Register with http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/mpsr/
IME After a month or so the flood becomes a trickle :-))

--
Dave Fawthrop

David R wrote:

[...]

I chose UK groups where readers were consumers and therefore likely
to get more or less a similar sort of mail as I do.

alt.consumers.uk-discounts.and.bargains
uk.people.consumers
uk.d-i-y
uk.rec.cars.misc

Petrol and Diesel are all we consume in uk.rec.cars.misc

I'd stick with your nice white envelopes and address by hand.


A


--
Trade Oil in €

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I knmow it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail below.


I have a feeling you may be "over thinking" this one... ;-)

White DL window self-seal, judging by the number of boxes of the dammed
things I used to have to shift, I doubt things have changed that much since.

Yup, that is what I use, saves wasting time addressing or printing an
envelope, given the letter will probably be computer originated in the
first place.

Buy from a reputable source as self seal 'gum' can go off in time, you then
either have to scrap them or use sticky tape to seal them !

I like the self seal ones with a tape that covers the sticky bit, rather
than the ones coated with tacky gum on both mating surfaces (as Jerry
said, they tend to dry out).


--
Cheers,

John.

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David R wrote:


Maybe my attempts to get noticed works best when my letter is
sent to a private individual.

Marked 'personal' will sometimes get it to the recipient's office unopened.

Apparently on date Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:44:51 GMT, David R
said:

I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?

Run plain white envelopes through the printer to put "Your C_I_A_L_I_S soft
tabs Order has been shipped, INTE-RENET USER. " on each one and leave a couple
of Polos inside. That would wind me up enough to ensure I opened it.

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I knmow it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail below.

Thanks for any feedback!
David

===========

I'm looking for some envelopes to send letters in. I would be
writing as a householder and not as a business.

The people I might write to would be companies and organisations like
a supermarket's customer services, the local council's planning
department or the health authority.

I usually send my letters in rather nice PLAIN WHITE envelopes. Now
this might sound weird but I reckon that my envelopes would get
better noticed if they were made of cheap manilla rather than my
usual posh white.

Speaking personally, I know that if I get sent a FLIMSY MANILLA
envelope with a SECOND-CLASS stamp then my instant reactions is ...
this could be the Inland Revenue, some ombudsman's decision,
maybe the local authority's planning department, a parking fine, a
receipt from the landlord, etc. I guess I have this reaction because
I reckon that such a crummy presentation is often used by those
people who don't feel they need to make much effort and this is
because they have a genuinely important message.

I might be reacting to these official letters in a way which is not
common to other people, so the question is what gets your attention
most:

(1) thin manilla (75 g/m^2) or thicker manilla (90 g/m^2)?

(2) window envelope or plain envelope?

(3) DL (approx 8.5 x 4 inches, 220mm x 110mm)
or C5 (approx 9 x 6.5 inches, 324mm x229mm)?

(4) gummed or self-seal?

Without your feedback I'm inclined to go for:

(1) thin manilla
(2) probably window
(3) probably DL but C5 is not so different
(4) gummed.

What do you reckon?

Send them in jiffy bags if you want them noticed. "Ooh look someone's sent
us some goodies, oh it's just a letter" etc. Actually I do remember
someone actually did a research project on envelopes (asking the very sort
of questions you're asking) at Aston Business School some time back. I'll
see if I can find the reference for you.

DrSteveW

"Dave Fawthrop" wrote in message
...
On 15 Feb 2005 16:10:59 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

|
| I receive hundreds of items of marketing literature a week. I don't
| give a toss what kind of envelope it's in. It all goes in the bin.

Why let them fell trees, just for you to throw in the bin
Register with http://www.tpsonline.org.uk/mpsr/
IME After a month or so the flood becomes a trickle :-))

--
Dave Fawthrop



Didn't know about the MPS, but if it's anything like the FPS then yes it
does work. I don't mind the junk mail so much as it just goes in the bin,
but I do object to unsolicited faxes. It wastes paper, ink/toner, and if
like me you work from home it winds you up if the fax goes off at 3am

DrSteveW

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I knmow it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail below.

Thanks for any feedback!
David

===========

I'm looking for some envelopes to send letters in. I would be
writing as a householder and not as a business.

The people I might write to would be companies and organisations like
a supermarket's customer services, the local council's planning
department or the health authority.

I usually send my letters in rather nice PLAIN WHITE envelopes. Now
this might sound weird but I reckon that my envelopes would get
better noticed if they were made of cheap manilla rather than my
usual posh white.

Speaking personally, I know that if I get sent a FLIMSY MANILLA
envelope with a SECOND-CLASS stamp then my instant reactions is ...
this could be the Inland Revenue, some ombudsman's decision,
maybe the local authority's planning department, a parking fine, a
receipt from the landlord, etc. I guess I have this reaction because
I reckon that such a crummy presentation is often used by those
people who don't feel they need to make much effort and this is
because they have a genuinely important message.

I might be reacting to these official letters in a way which is not
common to other people, so the question is what gets your attention
most:

(1) thin manilla (75 g/m^2) or thicker manilla (90 g/m^2)?

(2) window envelope or plain envelope?

(3) DL (approx 8.5 x 4 inches, 220mm x 110mm)
or C5 (approx 9 x 6.5 inches, 324mm x229mm)?

(4) gummed or self-seal?

Without your feedback I'm inclined to go for:

(1) thin manilla
(2) probably window
(3) probably DL but C5 is not so different
(4) gummed.

What do you reckon?

What's wrong with a plain envelope?

I'd be more likely to open a plain envelope then one that says "Urgent -
from the prize draw manager". Especially if it says it's from "Tom
Champagne".

Maybe you need to concentrate on getting the contents right rather than the
envelope!

Regards,
Simon.

"Steve Antony Williams" wrote
| Send them in jiffy bags if you want them noticed.

Rub the outside with some marzipan and enclose a small piece of printed
circuit board, if you are writing to any 'sensitive' organisations that have
security scanning on incoming mail :-)

Owain

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 1.4...
David R ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I'm looking for some envelopes to send letters in. I would be
writing as a householder and not as a business.

The people I might write to would be companies and organisations like
a supermarket's customer services, the local council's planning
department or the health authority.

What do you reckon?

I reckon you need to get a life.

Beautifully posted.

Mary

"David R" wrote in message
...




I chose UK groups where readers were consumers and therefore likely
to get more or less a similar sort of mail as I do.

ALL UK ngs are inhabited by consumers.

alt.consumers.uk-discounts.and.bargains
uk.people.consumers
uk.d-i-y
uk.rec.cars.misc

There were more candidiate groups but I stuck by GKNSA and limited
myself to 4. I made sure [O/T] appeared in the subject line and for
prominence I put it at the beginning.

Why not do that on your envelopes to arouse curiosity?

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

Thin manilla or thick manilla?
Window or no window?
DL(=wide) or C5(=half A4)?
Gummed or self-seal?

I knmow it sounds odd so I explain my thinking in more detail below.

Thanks for any feedback!
David

===========

I'm looking for some envelopes to send letters in. I would be
writing as a householder and not as a business.

The people I might write to would be companies and organisations like
a supermarket's customer services, the local council's planning
department or the health authority.

I usually send my letters in rather nice PLAIN WHITE envelopes. Now
this might sound weird but I reckon that my envelopes would get
better noticed if they were made of cheap manilla rather than my
usual posh white.

Speaking personally, I know that if I get sent a FLIMSY MANILLA
envelope with a SECOND-CLASS stamp then my instant reactions is ...
this could be the Inland Revenue, some ombudsman's decision,
maybe the local authority's planning department, a parking fine, a
receipt from the landlord, etc. I guess I have this reaction because
I reckon that such a crummy presentation is often used by those
people who don't feel they need to make much effort and this is
because they have a genuinely important message.

I might be reacting to these official letters in a way which is not
common to other people, so the question is what gets your attention
most:

(1) thin manilla (75 g/m^2) or thicker manilla (90 g/m^2)?

(2) window envelope or plain envelope?

(3) DL (approx 8.5 x 4 inches, 220mm x 110mm)
or C5 (approx 9 x 6.5 inches, 324mm x229mm)?

(4) gummed or self-seal?

Without your feedback I'm inclined to go for:

(1) thin manilla
(2) probably window
(3) probably DL but C5 is not so different
(4) gummed.

What do you reckon?

My opinion is that it is addressed to the correct individual along with SAE
to ensure response and that if you don not here a response in given time you
will go to next person up the chain of the command as all previous attempts
have been ignored & may also contemplate getting in touch with Watchdog,
Sunday Post, etc...

Cheers,
Stephen

Huge typed:

I receive hundreds of items of marketing literature a week. I don't
give a toss what kind of envelope it's in. It all goes in the bin.

Hmm I also get lots of that, some that are over weight for the stamp value,
post office now charge £1+ excess fee.
Which means I have to stand and examine my post before excepting it.
Fcuking Spammers.

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

snip

Forget the envelopes, It's what you have to say that matters. If your
letters bear even the slightest resemblance to your post then you'll bore
the recipients to death.

So lick it & stick it!
(Unless you go for self-seal of course).

Joe Lee

"David R" wrote in message
...
I am in the UK. Which envelopes in your post get your attention
best:

None.

I simply turn the pile of envelopes face down, slit them open, remove the
contents, chuck the envelope and sort the contents into piles: payments in,
invoices in, orders and miscellaneous, stuff needing my personal attention
and waste paper. When I have opened everything, then I start looking at what
has been sent and I have no idea what envelope it may have come in.

....
The people I might write to would be companies and organisations like
a supermarket's customer services, the local council's planning
department or the health authority.

When I worked for a nationalised industry, the only envelopes that ever got
to the addressee were those marked private and personal, and those were 90%
junk mail. Everything else was opened in the post room, sorted and
distributed to the person who actually needed to deal with it, which
frequently was not the addressee, as almost everybody addresses their post,
even routine stuff that needs to be dealt with by a clerk, to the manager,
chief executive, etc. I would expect local authorities and NHS Trusts to
work in much the same way.

....
Speaking personally, I know that if I get sent a FLIMSY MANILLA
envelope with a SECOND-CLASS stamp then my instant reactions is ...
this could be the Inland Revenue, some ombudsman's decision,
maybe the local authority's planning department, a parking fine, a
receipt from the landlord, etc.

You obviously don't get a lot of business mail.

....
What do you reckon?

If you think this is in any way important, I would hate to be on your
mailing list.

Colin Bignell

Get "Notice of Intended Prosecution" stamped on it reasonably
professionally.

That'll get their attention ;-)

Now that suggestion is one of the better things I have read in this
thread.

But what happens when they open the envelope and it is nothing to do
with an intended prosecution. The letter probably goes in the
shredder!

Yeah, I can just imagine it:

"Someone's *not* trying to prosecute me? How *dare* they waste my ****ing
time then."

--
Peter

Get Circumcised to e-mail me

In article , Huge
wrote:

I receive hundreds of items of marketing literature a week. I don't
give a toss what kind of envelope it's in. It all goes in the bin.

Why fill your facilities with it? I mark it "Unsolicited junkmail, RTS" and
put it back in the post. I understand the RM is obliged to return it to the
originator.

--
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http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk

Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) wrote:

In article , Huge
wrote:

I receive hundreds of items of marketing literature a week. I don't
give a toss what kind of envelope it's in. It all goes in the bin.


Why fill your facilities with it? I mark it "Unsolicited junkmail, RTS" and
put it back in the post. I understand the RM is obliged to return it to the
originator.

I do that as well. It does work - my junk mail is more or less down to
zero. The only thing that gets through is the annoying 'blind' postings
which don't have an address. I presume the Royal Mail gets a fee to
deliver it.

Halmyre

nightjar wrote:
"David R" wrote in message
...

What do you reckon?

If you think this is in any way important, I would hate to be on your

mailing list.

hear hear.

Some hilarious ideas in this thread!

I think the most attention getting letter I've heard of was enclosed in
a cardboard ball fitted with lots of nails sticking sharp point out. I
suspect nowadays it might get blown up on sight, but it reached its
destination, remarkably.


NT

In article , Huge
wrote:

Why burden the internal mail people with it twice?

Because they think junkmail is so wonderful, they deliver it in the first
place, wanted or not.

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http://www.classicmicrocars.co.uk : http://www.ajlelectronics.co.uk