Chandelier
 

I would like to make a metal chandelier but am having difficulty
finding a UK distributer of chandelier parts (bobeches, lamp holders,
arms etc.). I have found several distributers in the USA, but would be
very grateful if anyone could help me to find one in the UK.

Many thanks

"Pandora" wrote in message
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I would like to make a metal chandelier but am having difficulty
finding a UK distributer of chandelier parts (bobeches, lamp holders,
arms etc.). I have found several distributers in the USA, but would be
very grateful if anyone could help me to find one in the UK.

I don't understand this. A chandelier is to hold candles so doesn't need a
lamp holder.

Also, if you're making one you make the bits and pieces.

Unless you're just assembling of course ...

Mary

Many thanks

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:58:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

A chandelier is to hold candles so doesn't need a
lamp holder.

Somewhere in my bookshelves I have an original (1900's) catalogue for
electroliers and gasoliers 8-)

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:58:30 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

A chandelier is to hold candles so doesn't need a
lamp holder.

Somewhere in my bookshelves I have an original (1900's) catalogue for
electroliers and gasoliers 8-)

Have you seen the enormous working gasolier in the courtroom at Judges
Lodging, Presteigne?

I'm amazed that They allow it to be used in a public place (it's now a
museum and well worth visiting for all sorts of reasons).

Mary

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:44:52 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Have you seen the enormous working gasolier in the courtroom at Judges
Lodging, Presteigne?

I've seen a few, but not that one.

I'm amazed that They allow it to be used in a public place

Why not ?

chan=B7de=B7lier

"A branched, decorative lighting fixture that holds a number of
bulbs or candles and is suspended from a ceiling." source:
dictionary.com

Thanks Mary,

I meant an electrical chandelier with light bulbs - and as just an
assembler, as you so beautifully pointed out, I need to find a UK
distributer of the lamp holders to be fixed to a chandelier of my own
design.

Any helpful comments would be welcomed.

Thanks.

I meant an electrical chandelier with light bulbs - and as just
an assembler, as you so beautifully pointed out, I need to find
a UK distributer of the lamp holders to be fixed to a chandelier
of my own design.

Do you just mean something like

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLBLH.html

This won't help with the arms or other bits, though.

Christian.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:44:52 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:

Have you seen the enormous working gasolier in the courtroom at Judges
Lodging, Presteigne?

I've seen a few, but not that one.

I'm amazed that They allow it to be used in a public place

Why not ?

Naked flames ...

I don't mind them at all but there seems to be official opposition to them.

Mary

On 14 Feb 2005 05:08:41 -0800, "Pandora" wrote:

I need to find a UK
distributer of the lamp holders to be fixed to a chandelier of my own
design.

I'm surprised this is hard. Now I've been known to make a few light
fittings myself, but I generally just buy in a plain brass (often
brass-plated steel) lampholder from any electrical supplier (I use
TLC) and then the rest is an exercise is tinwork.

Finding ready-made finials and trim could be fun, but I'd start by
rooting through an architectural salvage yard, not expecting to find
new parts. Relics in Witney might have something.

Coppersmithing is also great fun and is pretty light on tooling costs
to get started. Tim Mc Creight's metalworking book, a box of hand
tools, a drill (and wire brushes) and a blowtorch for annealing should
get you started. Buy an old hot water cylinder from the local dump as
a source of copper sheet.

--
Smert' spamionam

"Pandora" wrote in message
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chan·de·lier

"A branched, decorative lighting fixture that holds a number of
bulbs or candles and is suspended from a ceiling." source:
dictionary.com

I can find a dictionary definition which doesn't mention bulbs (is that
daffodil or tulip by the way?). So what?

Chandelier is a French word, named for the fact that it holds candles. The
English word is candelabrum. Would you expect a candelabrum to hold electric
light bulbs?

Thanks Mary,

I meant an electrical chandelier with light bulbs - and as just an
assembler, as you so beautifully pointed out,

My pleasure :-)

:-^

Mary

Pandora wrote:

Any helpful comments would be welcomed.

so would a helpful question to start with. Youre asking for supplies of
what we dont really know, just 'metal parts'. What do you want to make
it from, wrought iron, chains, sheet metal, hammered copper, cast white
metal, what? Give us a fing clue.


NT

Thanks for your help Christian, I appreciate the decency of a kind and
helpfull response.

Thanks Andy, I'll look up T. McCreight

On 14 Feb 2005 12:50:31 -0800, wrote:

Pandora wrote:

Any helpful comments would be welcomed.

so would a helpful question to start with. Youre asking for supplies of
what we dont really know, just 'metal parts'. What do you want to make
it from, wrought iron, chains, sheet metal, hammered copper, cast white
metal, what?

Yes. If you want to build a chandelier, you must have some idea of
what you want to build, and be prepared to design and make "parts"
yourself, otherwise you're just using somebody else's ideas, a bit
like painting by numbers, or building a Meccano model to a given
design.

If you visit www.christopher-wray.com you can get a lot of ideas for
period/modern etc lamps which you might be keen to replicate - you can
buy "standard" parts from them.

Please note that I have no connection with them apart from buying a
couple of their catalogues!

One thing I would like to find is heat-resistant blue and brown
conductors to replace burned-out/charred wires in loads of
chandelier-type theatre-foyer installations, without bits of
silicon-rubber sleeving.

--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

Frank Erskine wrote:
On 14 Feb 2005 12:50:31 -0800, wrote:
Pandora wrote:

Any helpful comments would be welcomed.

so would a helpful question to start with. Youre asking for supplies
of
what we dont really know, just 'metal parts'. What do you want to
make
it from, wrought iron, chains, sheet metal, hammered copper, cast
white
metal, what?

Yes. If you want to build a chandelier, you must have some idea of
what you want to build, and be prepared to design and make "parts"
yourself, otherwise you're just using somebody else's ideas, a bit
like painting by numbers, or building a Meccano model to a given
design.

If you visit www.christopher-wray.com you can get a lot of ideas for
period/modern etc lamps which you might be keen to
replicate - you can
buy "standard" parts from them.

Please note that I have no connection with them apart from buying a
couple of their catalogues!

One thing I would like to find is heat-resistant blue and brown
conductors to replace burned-out/charred wires in loads of
chandelier-type theatre-foyer installations, without bits of
silicon-rubber sleeving.

--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland

buy heatproof rubber flex and use the blue/browns from that. If thats
hotproof enough.


NT

On 14 Feb 2005 15:29:04 -0800, "Pandora" wrote:

Thanks Andy, I'll look up T. McCreight

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0871922401/codesmiths

Nominally a book on silversmithing, but it's a very useful
introduction if you don't already know how to anneal or silver solder.

Thanks for all your help guys, I'll use your info and have a go!

Frank Erskine wrote:

One thing I would like to find is heat-resistant blue and brown
conductors to replace burned-out/charred wires in loads of
chandelier-type theatre-foyer installations, without bits of
silicon-rubber sleeving.


How high do you want to go with the temp resistance? RS (rswww.com) have
several high-end single-core wires you might be interested in. There's a
glass-fibre-covered silicone wire, temp-rated to 150 C continuous, in a
6A and a 15A rating. Catalogue nums 381-731 and 381-747 respectively
(though they've just changed suppliers and those particular partnums
have been replaced by others, which come without a datasheet). If that's
still too wimpy, move up to furnace-friendly
PTFE-in-glassmica-in-glassbraid, partnum 359-560 - a snip at 40 notes
each 10m reel (or a bargain 150 notes if you buy 50m) - this is the
smallest guage in that range, a 1mmsq rated to a paltry 25A ;-)

Rather less exotically - and in the blue and brown you ask for, instead
of all one 'natural' colour - is PTFE-insulated wire in various guages,
such as 365-795, 6A rated, 27notes for the 100m reel, alleging temp
rating up to 200C.

The exotics mentioned first are under Cable&Connectors - Cables -
Specialised Industrial Wires and Cables; the more useful ones (and
there's quite a range) are at Cable&Connectors - Cables - Equipment
Wire, in several subsections, most of which mentions "high temperature"
or similar.

HTH - and keeps your theatres safe ;-)

"Stefek Zaba" wrote in message
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Frank Erskine wrote:

One thing I would like to find is heat-resistant blue and brown
conductors to replace burned-out/charred wires in loads of
chandelier-type theatre-foyer installations, without bits of
silicon-rubber sleeving.


How high do you want to go with the temp resistance? RS (rswww.com) have
several high-end single-core wires you might be interested in. There's a
glass-fibre-covered silicone wire, temp-rated to 150 C continuous, in a 6A
and a 15A rating. Catalogue nums 381-731 and 381-747 respectively (though
they've just changed suppliers and those particular partnums have been
replaced by others, which come without a datasheet). If that's still too
wimpy, move up to furnace-friendly PTFE-in-glassmica-in-glassbraid,
partnum 359-560 - a snip at 40 notes each 10m reel (or a bargain 150 notes
if you buy 50m) - this is the smallest guage in that range, a 1mmsq rated
to a paltry 25A ;-)

Rather less exotically - and in the blue and brown you ask for, instead of
all one 'natural' colour - is PTFE-insulated wire in various guages, such
as 365-795, 6A rated, 27notes for the 100m reel, alleging temp rating up
to 200C.

The exotics mentioned first are under Cable&Connectors - Cables -
Specialised Industrial Wires and Cables; the more useful ones (and there's
quite a range) are at Cable&Connectors - Cables - Equipment Wire, in
several subsections, most of which mentions "high temperature" or similar.

Brilliant.

HTH - and keeps your theatres safe ;-)

Mary Fisher wrote:


The exotics mentioned first are under Cable&Connectors - Cables -
Specialised Industrial Wires and Cables; the more useful ones (and there's
quite a range) are at Cable&Connectors - Cables - Equipment Wire, in
several subsections, most of which mentions "high temperature" or similar.


Brilliant.

Far short of that, Mary - just too much time spent with an RS catalogue ;-)

The other 'biggies' - farnell.co.uk being the obvious one - also stock
this sort of wire.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:12:29 +0000, Stefek Zaba
wrote:

Frank Erskine wrote:

One thing I would like to find is heat-resistant blue and brown
conductors to replace burned-out/charred wires in loads of
chandelier-type theatre-foyer installations, without bits of
silicon-rubber sleeving.



Rather less exotically - and in the blue and brown you ask for, instead
of all one 'natural' colour - is PTFE-insulated wire in various guages,
such as 365-795, 6A rated, 27notes for the 100m reel, alleging temp
rating up to 200C.

Thanks. The RS catalogue (including the CD version) is so difficult to
navigate nowadays that I must've missed that!

Six amp stuff is entirely adequate to hang, say, a 60W bulb on the end
:-)

I once did rewire a couple of "picture lamps" with some RS
PTFE-insulated VERY thin equipment wire, but for some reason it seemed
too fragile, although they're still working...

Obviously, for this sort of purpose, any colour insulation would do.

--
Frank Erskine

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message

I once did rewire a couple of "picture lamps" with some RS
PTFE-insulated VERY thin equipment wire, but for some reason it seemed
too fragile, although they're still working...

Obviously, for this sort of purpose, any colour insulation would do.

WHAT? holds up hands in horror

I hope They aren't lurking, ready to pounce with a Part X.

Mary

--
Frank Erskine