Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks
Mark

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks
Mark

Worth a try but don't expect too much.

mrcheerful

Is there any additive that would make an improvement or have I got
to live with it? A friend suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?

Make sure it's got oil at all. Many of these transmissions have no easy way
of determining the oil level, with the oil not even mentioned on the service
schedule, and can often go months or even years largely dry.

Christian.

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?


I have the same problem with the gearbox in my wife's Citroen ZX which we
want to keep another year at most.

The box should use EP 75/80 gearbox oil.
As the noise wasn't present on a cold morning when the oil was thicker, I
decided to change the oil to EP 90 and I used Molyslip though I had received
varying comments about it (the worst being it could wreck the quality of the
gearchange.) I decided if it was too bad I would drain the oil and replace
with new 75/80.

I did this two weeks ago and the change is slightly more notchy, but I think
this has more to do with the thicker oil. The whining is much quieter (and
still getting better) and the vibration at 60mph + has gone completely.
Can't say how much is due to Molyslip and how much due to thicker oil.

The whole job cost me less than £15, is dead easy on a ZX, and has been well
worth it.

"Mark" wrote in message
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Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?

I would take the gearbox out and try to find why it is whining. If it has
shed a tooth on one of the gear wheels, putting in additives will not do
much good and you run the risk of losing some or all of the gears if things
get worse.

Colin Bignell

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:45:14 +0000, Mark wrote:

Is there any additive that would make an improvement or have I got to live with it?

You could try oil. Have you actually _checked_ the levels on the
gearbox oil ? Apologies if you already have, but you'd be a rarity
if you did so.

Molyslip wouldn't hurt and is easy enough to do. It'll help with tooth
wear, but does nothing if the ballraces have started to crumble.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:25:07 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:45:14 +0000, Mark wrote:

Is there any additive that would make an improvement or have I got to live with it?

You could try oil. Have you actually _checked_ the levels on the
gearbox oil ? Apologies if you already have, but you'd be a rarity
if you did so.

Molyslip wouldn't hurt and is easy enough to do. It'll help with tooth
wear, but does nothing if the ballraces have started to crumble.

I checked this and managed to get 150ml more oil in before the stuff
started dribbling out the filler hole. Not sufficiently low to cause a
problem I wouldn't imagine. The problem on this model is that there is
no drain plug so I can't easily replace the oil, only top it up. There
is the reverse gear detent plug that looks like it would drain the oil
once removed but I've been advised not to attempt this in case I lose
the spring and ball bearing in the gearbox.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:45:14 +0000, Mark babbled like
a waterfall and said:

Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks
Mark

The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.

EricP wrote:

The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.

or Banana skins for re-sale. or is that the diff.



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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:

EricP wrote:

The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.


or Banana skins for re-sale. or is that the diff.

I thought was a a nylon shirt (sans buttons)... ;-)

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Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:

EricP wrote:

The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.



or Banana skins for re-sale. or is that the diff.


I thought was a a nylon shirt (sans buttons)... ;-)

Sawdust mate.


the only real cure is a new gearbox, but at high mileage, thick oil
helps a lot to keep it quite, albeit at a slight power loss.

All I can say is try a well worn transfer box, main box, and 2 diffs in
an uninsulated series 3 landrover equpped with off road tyres at 70mph
for REAL noise :-)

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

All I can say is try a well worn transfer box, main box, and 2 diffs in
an uninsulated series 3 landrover equpped with off road tyres at 70mph
for REAL noise :-)

70 mph !!!
That's not noice it's bloody suicide!

:¬)

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:28:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

John Rumm wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:

EricP wrote:

The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.



or Banana skins for re-sale. or is that the diff.


I thought was a a nylon shirt (sans buttons)... ;-)

Sawdust mate.


the only real cure is a new gearbox, but at high mileage, thick oil helps
a lot to keep it quite, albeit at a slight power loss.

All I can say is try a well worn transfer box, main box, and 2 diffs in an
uninsulated series 3 landrover equpped with off road tyres at 70mph for
REAL noise :-)

I had a 2nd hand Maestro with a gearbox that was stiff as hell to start
with then became excessively loose and a tad noisy after 15 mins driving.

Drained the oil hot and it fell out (literally) like water. Half an hour
in a big jar outside in January and you could turn the jar upside down and
nothing came out.

I replaced it with (I forget the exact brand) a synthetic gearoil with a
low viscosity/temperature variation, and it was impressively improved. The
gearbox had suffered over the years, but it worked perfectly well for
several years afterwards until everything else fell off and I traded it in.

(I did flush the gearbox before refilling as the crap that came out was
full of allsorts).

I might be able to look up the oil if anyones interested, but it wasn't
excessively expensive, just you won't get it in Halfords.

Tim

In article , "The Natural
Philosopher" says...
John Rumm wrote:
Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk wrote:

EricP wrote:

The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.



or Banana skins for re-sale. or is that the diff.


I thought was a a nylon shirt (sans buttons)... ;-)

Sawdust mate.


the only real cure is a new gearbox, but at high mileage, thick oil
helps a lot to keep it quite, albeit at a slight power loss.

All I can say is try a well worn transfer box, main box, and 2 diffs in
an uninsulated series 3 landrover equpped with off road tyres at 70mph
for REAL noise :-)


Eh? What did you say?

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:43:17 GMT, EricP wrote:


The old cure used to be Duckhams 20/50.

Rubbish - a nylon stocking was the cure :-)


--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

Rubbish - a nylon stocking was the cure :-)

Not in east London - sawdust or rough string :-)

Dave

In article ,
Mark wrote:
I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?

Is it the gearbox or the final drive? Final drives *may* be noisy but go
on for years. Not so gearboxes, IMHO. On a motorway, you'd be in top which
is usually - on a modern car - direct. So the noise would be a bearing
rather than a gear.

--
*Sleep with a photographer and watch things develop

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:33 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
.. .
Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box


OK, so how do I get the old oil out? There's no drain plug on this
model???

Mark wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:33 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
. ..

Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box



OK, so how do I get the old oil out? There's no drain plug on this
model???
siphon?

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:33 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
. ..

Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box



OK, so how do I get the old oil out? There's no drain plug on this
model???
siphon?

Buy a new g/box sump gasket and remove sump to change oil. Use heavier gear
oil.

From new, the gear oil should be dropped after 2K miles and replaced with
Mobil 1 fully synthetic gear oil. Replace every 2nd service, that is approx
every 2 years in most cars. After approx 25k miles add Slick 50 gearbox
treatment at each g/box oil change. The transmission will remain like new
for nearly all the life of the car.

From new use Mobil 1, or similar, fully synthetic engine oil, and change as
per makers recommendations. The oil can go longer, so it gives you leeway on
service intervals. No one has a service 9K miles on the dot. No need to use
the likes of Slick 50 in the engine if fully synthetic oil is used from new.

Using the above your engine and transmission will remain smooth, and new
sounding and feeling, for all its life. The only noises will be from the
water pump, alternator, power steering pump and a/c compressor and any worn
belts

Slick 50 do an excellent power steering pump fluid. This is proper fluid not
an additive. This is also well worth using after about 50K miles.

In article ,
top gear wrote:
From new, the gear oil should be dropped after 2K miles and replaced
with Mobil 1 fully synthetic gear oil. Replace every 2nd service, that
is approx every 2 years in most cars. After approx 25k miles add Slick
50 gearbox treatment at each g/box oil change. The transmission will
remain like new for nearly all the life of the car.

If this is the case, do Slick supply a warranty?

--
*It is wrong to ever split an infinitive *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

top gear wrote:

From new, the gear oil should be dropped after 2K miles and replaced with
Mobil 1 fully synthetic gear oil. Replace every 2nd service, that is approx
every 2 years in most cars. After approx 25k miles add Slick 50 gearbox
treatment at each g/box oil change. The transmission will remain like new
for nearly all the life of the car.

This is, of course, a *huge* pile of crap.


--
Grunff

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Mark wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:33 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
. ..

Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out
of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box



OK, so how do I get the old oil out? There's no drain plug on this
model???
siphon?

Buy a new g/box sump gasket and remove sump to change oil. Use heavier
gear
oil.

From new, the gear oil should be dropped after 2K miles and replaced with
Mobil 1 fully synthetic gear oil. Replace every 2nd service, that is
approx
every 2 years in most cars. After approx 25k miles add Slick 50 gearbox
treatment at each g/box oil change. The transmission will remain like new
for nearly all the life of the car.

Snake oil, snake oil.
Next you'll be claiming that 'Cat-O-clean' works.....


From new use Mobil 1, or similar, fully synthetic engine oil, and change
as
per makers recommendations. The oil can go longer, so it gives you leeway
on
service intervals. No one has a service 9K miles on the dot. No need to
use
the likes of Slick 50 in the engine if fully synthetic oil is used from
new.

There is no need to use any additives or oil's other than what the engine
maker specifies, rather than pay extra for 'additives' just change the oil
and filter at half makers recommendations (both in terms of mileage and
age).


Using the above your engine and transmission will remain smooth, and new
sounding and feeling, for all its life. The only noises will be from the
water pump, alternator, power steering pump and a/c compressor and any
worn
belts

Of course it will, it would do so if you put water in the sump, the life of
the engine might be limited but it would still "remain smooth, and new
sounding and feeling, for all its life" !..

It's nothing but classic marketing blurb for snake oil.


Slick 50 do an excellent power steering pump fluid. This is proper fluid
not
an additive. This is also well worth using after about 50K miles.


If it has nothing added why use it instead of what the factory used ?!

Your post sound like an IMM's 'cut and paste' marketing blurb rants....

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "top gear"
saying something like:

From new, the gear oil should be dropped after 2K miles and replaced with
Mobil 1 fully synthetic gear oil. Replace every 2nd service, that is approx
every 2 years in most cars.

Renew gear oil every second service? What a load of toss. You can use
synthetic gear oil if you wish, but it's good for tens of thousands of
miles of use.


From new use Mobil 1, or similar, fully synthetic engine oil, and change as
per makers recommendations. The oil can go longer, so it gives you leeway on
service intervals. No one has a service 9K miles on the dot. No need to use
the likes of Slick 50 in the engine if fully synthetic oil is used from new.

Never use synthetic engine oil 'from new' as the thingymybobs won't bed
in right. Move onto sythetics at the second oil change.

Really, your advice is misleading ********.
--

Dave

The Natural Philosopher typed:

Mark wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:33 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
...

Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock.
It's served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000
miles out of it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles
the gearbox has started to whine, nothing major but the frequency
is particularly annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there
any additive that would make an improvement or have I got to live
with it? A friend suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box



OK, so how do I get the old oil out? There's no drain plug on this
model???

siphon?

Tropical fish shops, do a siphon thing for cleaning out tanks.
It's a Fiat designed gearbox, what do you expect ;-(

--
ano Mark

"Mark" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:27:33 +0000 (UTC), "Rick Hughes"
wrote:


"Mark" wrote in message
.. .
Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks


Try a heavier oil in the box


OK, so how do I get the old oil out? There's no drain plug on this
model???

Reverse the car / van backwards up a slope to get the front of thr box lower
than the back. It helps if the box is nice and warm after a good run.

You can drain the oil through the plug with the extended nose below te
reverse light switch, however, ensure its in neutral first- this is the
reverse detent spring and rod as you say..

Un do and and withdraw the plug very slowly- you will release the springs
tension before the threads are fully clear and be ready to catch the rod /
spring as you withdraw the plug. Abit messy, but i used to do it this way on
many a cvh equiped mk3 in yesteryear.

Tim..

Mark wrote:
Hi

I have a 10 year old Ford Escort with 92,000 miles on the clock. It's
served me well but I need to get another 12 months/15,000 miles out
of
it before I replace it. Over the last 10,000 miles the gearbox has
started to whine, nothing major but the frequency is particularly
annoying, especially at motorway speeds. Is there any additive that
would make an improvement or have I got to live with it? A friend
suggested "molyslip", anyone tried this?
Thanks
Mark

Well done, Mark, who would have thought oil treatment would get them as
riled up as power tool manufacturers and push fit plumbing! ;-)