Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous through
the party wall? I ask because I think my neighbour has a train set in his
loft, and the slight noise / vibration can be heard in mine. It is not a
problem, just curious!

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Zipadee Doodar wrote:

Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous
through the party wall? I ask because I think my neighbour has a
train set in his loft, and the slight noise / vibration can be heard
in mine. It is not a problem, just curious!

Doubt it. They'd have to come from a very tall tree! Mine are in 2 lengths -
supported in the middle where they join - just in a single house.
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Zipadee Doodar wrote:
Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous
through the party wall?

I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path. Also a large chunk of
timber, so not economical.

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In article ,
Zipadee Doodar wrote:
Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous
through the party wall?

I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

In article ,
Mike wrote:
I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces 'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)

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In article ,
Mike wrote:
I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces 'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)


Indeed they do. Fire and security hazard or what.

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In article ,
Mike wrote:
I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces 'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)

The one up and down (with attic and cellar) we lived in was a C19th terrace
house but the roof void was separated by walls.

However, the accessible bit at the bottom of the pitch of the roof was
continuous along the block of floor houses.


Indeed they do. Fire and security hazard or what.

Fire?

We were so poor ... etc.

Mary

Zipadee Doodar wrote:
Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous
through
the party wall? I ask because I think my neighbour has a train set in
his
loft, and the slight noise / vibration can be heard in mine. It is
not a
problem, just curious!

That's exactly what I was intending to do, half one half of the board
fixed to the purlin.

Kevin

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Mike wrote:
I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces
'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)


Loads did, north and south. Why would the builders build a wall when
they didnt need to? Now most have been walled, but still many arent.
Hence the recent nwes story of a group of illegal immigrants caught
moving in to the entire loft space of a whole terrace!


NT

Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous
through
the party wall? I ask because I think my neighbour has a train set in his
loft, and the slight noise / vibration can be heard in mine. It is not a
problem, just curious!

The purlins in our loft (1900's) overlap between adjoining lofts:-

http://www.pciq.co.uk/pics/purlinwall.jpg

As Set Square says, doubt it would be a single span across two properties
though.

Andy

In article ,
"Zipadee Doodar" writes:
Are the purlins in a pair of semis all in one piece, i.e. continuous through
the party wall? I ask because I think my neighbour has a train set in his
loft, and the slight noise / vibration can be heard in mine. It is not a
problem, just curious!

They aren't in my 1895 house, but they are in contact where they
pass through the party wall, as they both go right through.
However, I doubt the perlins would transmit much noise -- there
are smaller timbers doing the same thing which are fixed to the
tops of the ceiling joists in mine, and I would be more likely
to suspect them.

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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:24:58 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
strung together this:

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces 'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)

They certainly do, it's confused me once or twice when trying to get
above a particular in a very large odd shaped loft. I usually twig
that something's amiss when I come across a second loft hatch with the
decor the other side of it bearing no resemblance to anything in the
property I'm working in!
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces 'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)

And down south, the perverts love them, as do certain ethnic groups who
take over all the roof spaces for sleeping their "guests"....

In article ,
Badger wrote:
I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces
'oop north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)

And down south, the perverts love them, as do certain ethnic groups who
take over all the roof spaces for sleeping their "guests"....

Thought London had some of the earliest fire regs for buildings - after
the great fire?

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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:24:58 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Mike wrote:
I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces 'oop
north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong? ;-)

I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17. The roof voids were
common to several houses I have isolated ours by building a aircrete
block wall - the purlin still goes right through though.


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In article ,
Mike wrote:
I'd hope not, as it would present a fire path.

I expect both purlins sit side by side on the common wall.

I'll bet it varies area to area with old houses. Don't some terraces
'oop north' have common roof voids? Or was Coronation Street wrong?
;-)

In my first house which was in Battersea, I woke up one Sunday morning to
find water dripping through the bedroom ceiling, went up into the loft to
find the next door neighbours lead pipe leading to their water tank had a
pin hole and was spurting a small water fountain onto my ceiling.

There was only a firewall every 3 houses in that street for some reason, so
down south as well.

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"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

Owain

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:37:01 +0000, Owain wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

I suppose I was trying to say that common roof voids were not confined to
'oop north'.

However the arrangement is uncommon round here and this was one of the
first council houses ever built and one of the first houses built
since 1666 without a fire break adjoining properties.


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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:37:01 +0000, Owain wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

I suppose I was trying to say that common roof voids were not confined to
'oop north'.

Of course not. There are common people in the south :-)

Mary

"Owain" wrote in message
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"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

No. That starts just above Hatfield, doesn't it ? :-)

"Mike" wrote in message
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"Owain" wrote in message
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"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

No. That starts just above Hatfield, doesn't it ? :-)

Always used to be Watford but people who think they're being clever now say
Watford Gap.

I think it starts at the river.

The river Aire.

Mary

"Ed Sirett" wrote
| However the arrangement is uncommon round here and

(a) | this was one of the first council houses ever built and
(b) | one of the first houses built since 1666 without a fire
| break adjoining properties.

Possibly (a) and (b) are not unrelated :-)

Owain

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Always used to be Watford but people who think they're being clever now say
Watford Gap.

AFAIK it always has been the Northamptonshire Watford. The problem
arisees from the educationally challenged southerners who only know
about the London suburb. (And yes I do know it is in Hertfordshire).

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"Owain" wrote in message
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"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

No. That starts just above Hatfield, doesn't it ? :-)

Always used to be Watford but people who think they're being clever now
say
Watford Gap.

Sign (on A1?) says "Hatfield and the North".

Sort of sums up Londoner's views of the rest of the country.

"Mike" wrote in message
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"Ed Sirett" wrote
| ... Don't some terraces 'oop
| north' have common roof voids?
| I'm one of the trustees of such a place in N17.

N17 may be north, but it isn't 'oop north' :-)

No. That starts just above Hatfield, doesn't it ? :-)

Always used to be Watford but people who think they're being clever now
say
Watford Gap.

Sign (on A1?) says "Hatfield and the North".

Sort of sums up Londoner's views of the rest of the country.

No, it's the view of the Highways agency or whoever puts up the signs.

"The South" is signposted on the A1 at Ferrybridge, about 7 - 8 miles south
of where I live (not due south).

Well, yes, thinking about it, I suppose that's about right.

But what's the area between the "North" and "South" signs ... it can't all
be the Midlands :-)

Mary

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:13:07 +0000, Owain wrote:

"Ed Sirett" wrote
| However the arrangement is uncommon round here and

(a) | this was one of the first council houses ever built and
(b) | one of the first houses built since 1666 without a fire
| break adjoining properties.

Possibly (a) and (b) are not unrelated :-)


To the best of my knowledge it was built in 1915 and one of the first
houses to be built with the then new-fangled hollow cavity walls.


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from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Sign (on A1?) says "Hatfield and the North".

Sort of sums up Londoner's views of the rest of the country.

No, it's the view of the Highways agency or whoever puts up the signs.

"The South" is signposted on the A1 at Ferrybridge, about 7 - 8 miles south
of where I live (not due south).

Well, yes, thinking about it, I suppose that's about right.

But what's the area between the "North" and "South" signs ... it can't all
be the Midlands :-)

I haven't been North of Scotch Corner for 40 years or more but it
certainly used to be the case that however far North you got on the A1
The North was always further North. These days I tend not to remember
what the signposts said for more than the odd half second so have no
idea what the signs on the A1 say when going South even though I drive
the section from the M62 to the A14 regularly.

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The message
from "Mary Fisher" contains these words:

Sign (on A1?) says "Hatfield and the North".

Sort of sums up Londoner's views of the rest of the country.

No, it's the view of the Highways agency or whoever puts up the signs.

"The South" is signposted on the A1 at Ferrybridge, about 7 - 8 miles
south
of where I live (not due south).

Well, yes, thinking about it, I suppose that's about right.

But what's the area between the "North" and "South" signs ... it can't
all
be the Midlands :-)

I haven't been North of Scotch Corner for 40 years or more but it
certainly used to be the case that however far North you got on the A1
The North was always further North.

Yes, but it starts in Herts!

These days I tend not to remember
what the signposts said for more than the odd half second

We've got to that age too:-)

so have no
idea what the signs on the A1 say when going South even though I drive
the section from the M62 to the A14 regularly.

That's the section we use and there are always snide comments about the
sign. I suspect it might be because there are two of us, if I were alone I
couldn't be bothered!

Mary
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"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"The South" is signposted on the A1 at Ferrybridge, about 7 - 8 miles south
of where I live (not due south).

pedant
I think you'll find it's A1 South (and there is an A1 North pointing
the other way)
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