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[email protected] January 31st 05 03:28 AM

Wiring bedroom lights
 
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and either
side of the bed;

would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches and
one intermediate, if so are intermediate switches available as dimmers?
would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers
Thanks in advance

andy


nightjar January 31st 05 08:20 AM


wrote in message
oups.com...
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and either
side of the bed;

would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches and
one intermediate,


Yes.

if so are intermediate switches available as dimmers?


I didn't find any when I wanted to do this.

would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers


It cannot be done with simple dimmers. ISTR I did find a very expensive
commercial system that would do the dimming centrally, from a number of
separate control points. However, in the end, I put a dimmer for the central
light by the door and switches on each side of the bed. I also put a
wall-mounted reading lamp each side of the bed, each dimmed from a switch
below it, and turned on or off by switches by the door and on the other side
of the bed.

Colin Bignell




Dave Plowman (News) January 31st 05 10:23 AM

In article .com,
wrote:
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and either
side of the bed;


would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches and
one intermediate, if so are intermediate switches available as dimmers?


No - but most push on push off dimmers have a two way switch. But you can
only use one in the circuit. If looks are important, you can buy matching
push on push off switches for the other two way, but not IIRC as an
intermediate.

would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers


Only with a very expensive specialised system.

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Lurch January 31st 05 12:02 PM

On 30 Jan 2005 19:28:17 -0800, strung together
this:

would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches and
one intermediate,


Yes.

if so are intermediate switches available as dimmers?


No.

would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers


Not using standard dimmers no. You could use X10 or something similar
to control remote dimmers but you'd be looking at laying out a
reasonable amount of money.

I think Stefek Mentioned some PLC type system a while back, IIRC, that
wasn't absurdly expensive. Can't remember which one it was though.
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Phil January 31st 05 01:03 PM

An alternative would be to install a B&Q infra-red remote control
dimmer in the main light switch position & fork out for 2 remote
controls (or pass one between you).

Phil.

wrote:
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we

would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and

either
side of the bed;

would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches

and
one intermediate, if so are intermediate switches available as

dimmers?
would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers
Thanks in advance

andy



Ian Stirling January 31st 05 01:58 PM

wrote:
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and either
side of the bed;

would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches and
one intermediate, if so are intermediate switches available as dimmers?
would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers
Thanks in advance


Hmm.

Ok, AIUI, you can wire dimmers in parallel safely, you just get the brightest
setting.

We have a problem - conventional three way lighting turns lights either
on or off when any switch is activated.
Add seperate dimmers at each switch. and then things become less defined.

Live
| |
-------
|o o|
| / | A
|o o|
-------
| |
| |
-------
|o o|
| / | B
|o o|
-------
| |
| |
-------
|o o|
| / | C
|o o|
-------
| |
| R
|-------------Dimmer A----|
|-------------Dimmer B----+----Light---- Neutral
|-------------Dimmer C----|
Q

Is one way of doing it.
This lets you turn on and off the light to the brightness of the maximum
brightness set.


I can't think of a simple way (other than replacing the light with a non-fan
heater of 2-3 times its rating, and connecting the light between point Q and
neutral, of doing it to minimum brightness.

What would be really handy for this would be a dimmer switch that took a
third wire, and when it went dead, reset to minimum brightness.


Hmm.
Thinking on this...
If dimmer A and B were moved to R, and were on the bed, this might work.

[email protected] January 31st 05 02:04 PM

wrote:
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we

would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and

either
side of the bed;

would this be wired as three way lighting? i.e. two 2 way switches

and
one intermediate,


yup

if so are intermediate switches available as dimmers?
would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers


no.

But there is a better option anyway, that is to use a fitting that
takes 2 bulbs, and provide each switching piont with 2 switches instead
of one. Now you have 3 way switching and 3 brightness levels that can
be controlled from every switch point. And no loss of efficiency and
failure point, both of which you get with dimmers. And when one bulb
blows, no inconvenience.


NT


Ian Stirling January 31st 05 05:01 PM

wrote:
wrote:
i am in the process of refubishing our bedroom we have decided we

would
like the main room light switched from just inside the door and

either
side of the bed;

snip
But there is a better option anyway, that is to use a fitting that
takes 2 bulbs, and provide each switching piont with 2 switches instead
of one. Now you have 3 way switching and 3 brightness levels that can
be controlled from every switch point. And no loss of efficiency and
failure point, both of which you get with dimmers. And when one bulb
blows, no inconvenience.


Changing the bulb is inconvenient.

Andy Burns January 31st 05 08:29 PM

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers

Only with a very expensive specialised system.


These master/slave dimmers aren't *horribly* expensive ...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...s_5/index.html

Stefek Zaba January 31st 05 09:40 PM

Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

would it be possible to wire all three switches as dimmers


Only with a very expensive specialised system.



These master/slave dimmers aren't *horribly* expensive ...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...s_5/index.html

At a tenner a throw for the masters, seven notes for the slaves, and the
option of using just about any IR remote (or your trusty Palm Pilot ;-)
as an extra control - not 'horribly' pricey at all, and I suspect an
order of magnitude cheaper than the Strand, Zero88, and other
pro-installation dimmers I suspect Dave had in mind ;-)

Dave Plowman (News) January 31st 05 11:02 PM

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Only with a very expensive specialised system.


These master/slave dimmers aren't *horribly* expensive ...


http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Wiring_Accessories_Menu_Index/White_Telco_Index/Wiring_Accessories~Dimmers_5/index.html

You're right. As A TLC junkie I'm mortified I hadn't seen these. ;-)

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Simon Pawson February 2nd 05 05:45 PM

I've used them - they are very good and do exactly what they say on the
tin. They work with the TLC lv transformers and lv lights as well.

I've got them both sides of the bed and at the door controlling the room
(3-way) and over bed lights and a separate setup at the dressing table
and door controlling the dressing table and wardrobe lights (2-way)..

The only drawback is that the plastic covers on the back of some of the
fittings is a little loose so I added a drop of glue so that the covers
didn't come off when I put them in. It was fiddly putting multiple wires
into one set by the bed head (as I couldn't run one side of the bed back
to the junction box). I used deep metal boxes to allow for the extra
wiring.

The masters run slightly warm even when the lights are off - at some
time I'll dismantle the system to see what the current drawn is when it
is off.

Any questions and I'll try to answer them.

Simon


In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Only with a very expensive specialised system.


These master/slave dimmers aren't *horribly* expensive ...


http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind..._Menu_Index/Wh
ite_Telco_Index/Wiring_Accessories~Dimmers_5/index.html

You're right. As A TLC junkie I'm mortified I hadn't seen these. ;-)


--
Simon Pawson


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