OT Does anyone here have a tiscali web page?
 

Sorry, this is completely OT here but people are so helpful and someone
is sure to know.

I am trying to get a webpage onto tiscali.fr and I can't find anything
in the help pages in french about how to include the photos. I got the
pages online easily using the tiscali website and without all the hassle
I have had in the past with FTP. The links in the pages currently point
to the photos location on my hard drive. I thought the pictures might be
embedded in the pages (made with Front Page) but it seems they are not.
I can't seem to get into the right bit of the tiscali.co.uk site to
search in English. I can easily edit the links if I know how and where
to upload the photos - anyone know please.

Since this is OT reply by email if you prefer:

holly1THEATSYMBOLtiscali.fr

TIA
Holly

Hi Holly,

if you have used FTP in the past, why not now ?

You are still FTP-ing the HTML to the site - even if that operation is
hidden inside FrontPage ...

Personally I'm a bit of a Luddite and am reluctant to use anything cleverer
than Netscape Composer, WSFTPLE and notepad for tweaking.

To get the photo references right I first FTP the JPEGs to my site, browse
to them in an Explorer window and copy the whole URL into Composer and watch
the preview image appear.

belt and braces ....

HTH

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"Holly" wrote in message
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Sorry, this is completely OT here but people are so helpful and someone
is sure to know.

I am trying to get a webpage onto tiscali.fr and I can't find anything
in the help pages in french about how to include the photos. I got the
pages online easily using the tiscali website and without all the hassle
I have had in the past with FTP. The links in the pages currently point
to the photos location on my hard drive. I thought the pictures might be
embedded in the pages (made with Front Page) but it seems they are not.
I can't seem to get into the right bit of the tiscali.co.uk site to
search in English. I can easily edit the links if I know how and where
to upload the photos - anyone know please.

Since this is OT reply by email if you prefer:

holly1THEATSYMBOLtiscali.fr

TIA
Holly

"brugnospamsia" wrote in message
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if you have used FTP in the past, why not now ?

You are still FTP-ing the HTML to the site - even if that operation is
hidden inside FrontPage ...


The clue is the use of FrontPage, FP has a tendency to link to local files
as

.....src="c:/mydocuments/mypictures/webimages/phoo.jpg" ....

rather than just

....src="webimages/phoo.jpg"....

When the HTML source code gets FTP up to the server the src for the image is
to a local hard drive and not the server IYSWIM.

The OP should check the source code to see if the above has happened, or
post a link to the page so someone else can take a look.

"Holly" wrote in message
...
Sorry, this is completely OT here but people are so helpful and
someone is sure to know.

I am trying to get a webpage onto tiscali.fr and I can't find
anything in the help pages in french about how to include the
photos. I got the pages online easily using the tiscali website and
without all the hassle I have had in the past with FTP. The links in
the pages currently point to the photos location on my hard drive. I
thought the pictures might be embedded in the pages (made with Front
Page) but it seems they are not. I can't seem to get into the right
bit of the tiscali.co.uk site to search in English. I can easily
edit the links if I know how and where to upload the photos - anyone
know please.

Since this is OT reply by email if you prefer:

holly1THEATSYMBOLtiscali.fr

TIA
Holly

When you send a web page with pictures to Tiscali (or any webspace) you have
to send all the picture files (probably .jpg files) to the same place as you
send your html code. You have to make sure that the references in your html
code to the picture files are *relative* rather than *absolute*. There
should be a box to tick for relative references in whatever software
(frontpage or whatever) you are using to build the site. It's safest to
check the actual html code - where you should have something like:

img src="Picture1.JPG" alt="This is the first picture" width="256"
height="192"

but *not* like this:

img src="http://www.some_url/Picture1.JPG" alt="This is the first picture"
width="256" height="192"

and *not* like this:

img src="File:///C:/My Documents/Picture1.JPG" alt="This is the first
picture" width="256" height="192"

Does this make sense? As long as you use relative references, you can move
your site around easily, and the components will continue to hang together.

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Cheers,
Set Square
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"Set Square" wrote in message
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"Holly" wrote in message
...
Sorry, this is completely OT here but people are so helpful and
someone is sure to know.

I am trying to get a webpage onto tiscali.fr and I can't find
anything in the help pages in french about how to include the
photos. I got the pages online easily using the tiscali website and
without all the hassle I have had in the past with FTP. The links in
the pages currently point to the photos location on my hard drive. I
thought the pictures might be embedded in the pages (made with Front
Page) but it seems they are not. I can't seem to get into the right
bit of the tiscali.co.uk site to search in English. I can easily
edit the links if I know how and where to upload the photos - anyone
know please.

Since this is OT reply by email if you prefer:

holly1THEATSYMBOLtiscali.fr

TIA
Holly

When you send a web page with pictures to Tiscali (or any webspace) you
have
to send all the picture files (probably .jpg files) to the same place as
you
send your html code. You have to make sure that the references in your
html
code to the picture files are *relative* rather than *absolute*.

absolute is fine so long as it is a url and not a file path..

(gawd you work with raw HTML !)

==========================

There
should be a box to tick for relative references in whatever software
(frontpage or whatever) you are using to build the site. It's safest to
check the actual html code - where you should have something like:

img src="Picture1.JPG" alt="This is the first picture" width="256"
height="192"

but *not* like this:

img src="http://www.some_url/Picture1.JPG" alt="This is the first
picture"
width="256" height="192"

and *not* like this:

img src="File:///C:/My Documents/Picture1.JPG" alt="This is the first
picture" width="256" height="192"

Does this make sense? As long as you use relative references, you can move
your site around easily, and the components will continue to hang
together.

--
Cheers,
Set Square
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
brugnospamsia wrote:

"Set Square" wrote in message
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You have to make sure that the references in
your html
code to the picture files are *relative* rather than *absolute*.

absolute is fine so long as it is a url and not a file path..

Yes, absolute is fine is general - when you're pointing to something which
actually exists on another website. In this case though, the pictures were
not on-line but were only on the OP's hard disk - so the obvious solution
was to put them in the same place as the html, and use relative references.
[OK, if you're being pedantic, you *could* still use absolute references
even then - but they wouldn't auto-adjust if you wanted to move the whole
lot somewhere else.]

(gawd you work with raw HTML !)

So?

I actually create code using (mainly) Netscape Composer and then fine tune
the raw html.

Do you have a problem with that?
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Set Square
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"Holly" wrote in message
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Sorry, this is completely OT here but people are so helpful and someone
is sure to know.

I am trying to get a webpage onto tiscali.fr and I can't find anything
in the help pages in french about how to include the photos. I got the
pages online easily using the tiscali website and without all the hassle
I have had in the past with FTP. The links in the pages currently point
to the photos location on my hard drive. I thought the pictures might be
embedded in the pages (made with Front Page) but it seems they are not.

I failed to create a website in the "free webspace" of two different ISP
using Front Page. It seems FP tried to create a directory structure on the
web server to deal with the 'relative' links the other posters have
mentioned, and the the servers couldn't cope with it. In both cases,
however, I could upload a simple page with FTP. When I attempted to
"publish" the same web pages with Front Page on a third ISP's server that
*was* equipped with "Front Page Server Extensions" it worked first time with
no trouble. I always thought you only needed 'extensions' for certain
functions - like capturing input from the client browser into a contact
form, or similar - but it seems like you must have Front Page Extensions on
the web server for it to work at all. Alternatively, you must use a
different program from Front Page to publish your pages.

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:07:32 -0000, "Set Square"
strung together this:

(gawd you work with raw HTML !)

So?

I actually create code using (mainly) Netscape Composer and then fine tune
the raw html.

I thought most people did that? I use Dreamweaver and switch between
design and source views to tweak bits that you can't do with a click
of the mouse.
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SJW
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"Holly" wrote in message
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Sorry, this is completely OT here but people are so helpful and someone
is sure to know.


A tip I was given by Someone_Who_Knows_These_Things is to make sure
everything you need for the website is stored in the directory where you are
building your web on the local machine. For example C:\mywebs\websitename
might contain your pages, so make a sub-directory
C:\mywebs\websitename\images and put all your pictures in there. Then, when
FP 'publishes' your web up to the server, it will upload the \images
subdirectory and all the pictures. (You might still need Front Page
Extensions though!)

brugnospamsia wrote in message

Hi Holly,

Hi :-)

if you have used FTP in the past, why not now ?

ISTR having trouble getting my head around it last time, and also
because this poor old computer has very little space on the hard drive
and I didnt want to risk upsetting an old but stable Win98SE
installation by installing extra software.

You are still FTP-ing the HTML to the site - even if that operation is
hidden inside FrontPage ...

I had already given up on publishing using FrontPage when it started
going on about Server Extensions, as Mike Faithfull described in his
message. The tiscali website has a "WebFTP" section which doesn't need
extra software here, so I was using that but got stuck when it came to
the pictures. Anyway I seem to have worked it out now, although the way
I am editing the links is a bit long winded and I am sure there are
easier ways, but it will probably be quicker to continue as I am than to
try learn new tricks at this stage :-)

Another thing I have discovered is that the tiscali WebFTP has a button
one can press to check that links are valid, which is most useful.

Thanks again to everyone, I'll post the link to the site when it is
finished, including the picture of the water stains on the oak and the
finished staircase.
Holly

Set Square wrote in message
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
brugnospamsia wrote:

"Set Square" wrote in message

You have to make sure that the references in
your html
code to the picture files are *relative* rather than *absolute*.

absolute is fine so long as it is a url and not a file path..

Yes, absolute is fine is general - when you're pointing to something
which
actually exists on another website. In this case though, the pictures
were
not on-line but were only on the OP's hard disk - so the obvious
solution
was to put them in the same place as the html, and use relative
references.

Thanks for everyones replies, I won't reply to them all individually. I
had worked out what was going on, in that the links were pointing to my
hard drive, but couldn't work out how to put the pictures on the site
and change the links accordingly. I have found out how to do that now
and am changing the links manually, still using absolute references
though. I might have a look and see about relative references in case of
moving the site in future.

Thanks again
Holly