This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

"Pinot Grigio" someone@somewhere wrote in message
...
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

NO.

It's very easy to scroll down the screen.

Many diy projects involve more than one discipline.

The interaction of people with various expertises could be lost.

What would happen to IMM?

Mary

"Pinot Grigio" someone@somewhere wrote in message
...
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

I don't really think that would work - the whole success of the group is due
to that fact that there are people here who both specialise in a particular
area but also have an interest/some knowledge in some other areas. This
means that people who may be experts in the electrical field might have
plenty of good plumbing advice and might also dabble in a litte plastering
and have an outspoken opinion about tools. If such a person were to only
subscribe to the eletrical group then their valuable contributions in other
areas would be sadly missed.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

This comes up every six months and is always buried, for good reason.

Christian.

The interaction of people with various expertises could be lost.

What would happen to IMM?

Presumably he would head up the hacksaw division

Pinot Grigio wrote:

This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Either learn your existing newsreader better, or get a better on, so you
can watch threads you're interested in and ignore ones your not.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:

I wouldn't support that ...

1) too much separation, many people would subscribe to most for them anyway.

2) you effectively can't remove a newsgroup, so the original would be
left and used by many

3) luckily we don't get much spam here, but with multiple groups we'd
get each one multiple times

3) luckily we don't get much spam here, but with multiple groups we'd
get each one multiple times

4) Add that the current "top level" uk domain wouldn't be allowed and
everything would have to move to uk.rec.d-i-y.

5) It would break the archives, although Google seem to be managing that on
their own.

6) It would diminish any "community" spirit.

7) There really aren't that many threads. Only about 10 or 20 or so a day.
Not difficult to keep up with. No-one really looks at threads more than a
couple of days old unless specifically interested in it, in which case the
threads are marked. If your newsreader doesn't support marking threads as
watched, then ditch it.

Christian.

Pinot Grigio wrote:
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)



Why is it that whenever this is suggested (several times a year), it's
always by someone who never (or hardly ever) posts to the group?

(not being rude - it's a genuine question!)


--
Grunff

Grunff wrote:

Why is it that whenever this is suggested it's
always by someone who never (or hardly ever) posts to the group?

Because it would make *their* lives easier when searching Google just
restrict the search to uk.d-i-y.tools.saws.hackwsaws.blades.laminates

In article ,
Grunff writes:
Why is it that whenever this is suggested (several times a year), it's
always by someone who never (or hardly ever) posts to the group?

(not being rude - it's a genuine question!)

Probably because those who use the group don't find it a problem,
and those who find it a problem don't use the group.

Reminds me of a problem we had in an orchestra I used to play in,
that of falling numbers of members. We wondered if chosing a
different rehersal day than Friday might help. Someone did a
survey, and discovered the only day everyone could manage was
a Friday. A truely remarkable discovery I thought ;-)

--
Andrew Gabriel

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:15:36 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

4) Add that the current "top level" uk domain wouldn't be allowed and
everything would have to move to uk.rec.d-i-y.

uk.sci.d-i-y

Puhleese!

Anna

~~ Anna Kettle, Suffolk, England
|""""| ~ Lime plaster repairs
/ ^^ \ // Freehand modelling in lime: overmantels, pargeting etc
|____| www.kettlenet.co.uk 01359 230642

"Grunff" wrote in message
...
Pinot Grigio wrote:
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)



Why is it that whenever this is suggested (several times a year), it's
always by someone who never (or hardly ever) posts to the group?

(not being rude - it's a genuine question!)


--
Grunff


Sorry, I didn't realise this has been suggested before.

I don't post often but read this group with great interest as we have major
improvements in the pipeline and would like to do some of the work
ourselves.
I have learnt a lot from this group and do mark threads I am interested in
but they often die before they seem finished.

Just forget I ever mentioned it!

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:30:52 -0000, "Pinot Grigio" someone@somewhere
wrote:

This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

Use a good newsreader like "agent" and set it up to watch or ingore
particular threads and posters.

Graham

Pinot Grigio wrote:
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)


I've never seen a *thread*, such as is displayed and indexed by any
competent newsreader (Mozilla Thunderbird, Forte Free Agent or Agent,
tin, trn, ...) get "buried". Maybe you should try a real newsreader.

uk.d-i-y works. Its volume is well below that of other also-unsplit,
also-successful groups. d-i-y is necessarily "multi-trade", and
splitting it up is a waste of time, and a disservice to all - regular
contributors, lurkers, and newbies alike.

Stefek

"Anna Kettle" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:15:36 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

4) Add that the current "top level" uk domain wouldn't be allowed and
everything would have to move to uk.rec.d-i-y.

uk.sci.d-i-y

Well, I'd be interested in a 'Make your own Dalek' thread.

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote in news:crh9ge$7hn$2
@new-usenet.uk.sun.com:


Reminds me of a problem we had in an orchestra I used to play in,
that of falling numbers of members. We wondered if chosing a
different rehersal day than Friday might help. Someone did a
survey, and discovered the only day everyone could manage was
a Friday. A truely remarkable discovery I thought ;-)

Like the number of consevation/birdy/nature study groups which operate on
Sunday mornings, and are then filled with incoming churchgoers trying to
veto Sunday morning.

mike

"Pinot Grigio" someone@somewhere wrote in message
...

I have learnt a lot from this group and do mark threads I am interested in
but they often die before they seem finished.

If you make a folder for diy (or future projects or whatever you choose to
call it) and move the threads you want to it they'll be there for as long as
you choose.

Mary

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Grunff wrote:

Why is it that whenever this is suggested it's
always by someone who never (or hardly ever) posts to the group?

Because it would make *their* lives easier when searching Google just
restrict the search to uk.d-i-y.tools.saws.hackwsaws.blades.laminates

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 18:20:33 -0000, "Pinot Grigio" someone@somewhere
wrote:




Sorry, I didn't realise this has been suggested before.

I don't post often but read this group with great interest as we have major
improvements in the pipeline and would like to do some of the work
ourselves.
I have learnt a lot from this group and do mark threads I am interested in
but they often die before they seem finished.

Just forget I ever mentioned it!


It's perfectly OK - we're quite friendly really; and happy to try to
help on anything that you bring.

Results are variable, though. Sometimes something quite trivial
sparks hundreds of responses over a few days; occasionally posts don't
get a reply because nobody knows.

Overall, I'd say we get a fairly good and useful hit rate.




--

..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

"David Illingworth-Young" wrote
| uk.sci.d-i-y
| Well, I'd be interested in a 'Make your own Dalek' thread.

Google "Anyone here ever built a Dalek" in March last year or thenabouts

Owain

Pinot Grigio wrote:

Sorry, I didn't realise this has been suggested before.

I don't post often but read this group with great interest as we have major
improvements in the pipeline and would like to do some of the work
ourselves.
I have learnt a lot from this group and do mark threads I am interested in
but they often die before they seem finished.

Just forget I ever mentioned it!


As I said, it wasn't meant as a rude remark directed at you, just a
curious observation.

Look forward to hearing about your pipeline improvements.


--
Grunff

In message , Pinot
Grigio writes
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:

You can, but we frequently get this question coming up and is met with a
resounding NO

Apart from the fact that IIRC it would no longer be possible to have
such names, threads intersect and change direction, and people with
useful experience wouldn't necessarily visit the other groups causing a
splintering of the group

uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

On past form, you're flogging a dead horse

--
geoff

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

What would happen to IMM?

A seriously fractured multiple personality ?


--
geoff

In message , Christian
McArdle writes
3) luckily we don't get much spam here, but with multiple groups we'd
get each one multiple times


7) There really aren't that many threads.
Really ?

I'm still catching up on the close to 2000 posts you buggers posted
while I was in Belgium !!

--
geoff

On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:30:52 -0000, "Pinot Grigio" someone@somewhere
wrote:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:

Get a real newsreader

It's also impossible to split uk.d-i-y. It might be _replaced_ and
sliced up further, but as there's no way that the Vicar of uk.control
would permit this high-level hierarchy of uk.name to propagate
further. It would have to end up somewhere under
uk.rec.but-possibly-a-few-tradespeople-too.d-i-y.thingy

uk.d-i-y also keeps the 'Merkins out, as they don't know what DIY is.

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Pinot
Grigio writes
This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:

You can, but we frequently get this question coming up and is met with a
resounding NO

Apart from the fact that IIRC it would no longer be possible to have
such names, threads intersect and change direction, and people with
useful experience wouldn't necessarily visit the other groups causing a
splintering of the group

uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

On past form, you're flogging a dead horse

Try uk.animals-necrophila-BDSM for that sort of thing

Adam

This is a very successful group with loads of good advice.
However, because it is so popular, a thread is 'dead and buried' far down
the list within a couple of days very often leaving questions unanswered.

Not sure how it is done, but may I suggest splitting this group into some
new groups:
uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)


DIY is a 'cover all' title for a multitude of different skills in many
areas - it would be daft to split it up! especially as google will search
for messages of particular subjects for you.

Steve

Andy Dingley wrote:

It's also impossible to split uk.d-i-y. It might be _replaced_ and
sliced up further, but as there's no way that the Vicar of uk.control
would permit this high-level hierarchy of uk.name to propagate
further. It would have to end up somewhere under
uk.rec.but-possibly-a-few-tradespeople-too.d-i-y.thingy

Why hasn't His Eminence already moved uk.d-i-y to somewhere lower down
the heirarchies? Or is there a policy not to tamper on the basis of it
being so difficult to stamp out usage of old groups?

David

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Christian
McArdle writes
3) luckily we don't get much spam here, but with multiple groups we'd
get each one multiple times


7) There really aren't that many threads.
Really ?

I'm still catching up on the close to 2000 posts you buggers posted while
I was in Belgium !!

That'll larn yer to go to exotic locations!

Mary

--
geoff

"Lobster" wrote in message
...
Andy Dingley wrote:

It's also impossible to split uk.d-i-y. It might be _replaced_ and
sliced up further, but as there's no way that the Vicar of uk.control
would permit this high-level hierarchy of uk.name to propagate
further. It would have to end up somewhere under
uk.rec.but-possibly-a-few-tradespeople-too.d-i-y.thingy

Why hasn't His Eminence already moved uk.d-i-y to somewhere lower down the
heirarchies? Or is there a policy not to tamper on the basis of it being
so difficult to stamp out usage of old groups?

He doesn't do it himself ...

David

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:39:49 GMT, Lobster
wrote:

Why hasn't His Eminence already moved uk.d-i-y to somewhere lower down
the heirarchies?

The Parish Council dreams of such things, but inertia is a powerful
force.

On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:06:12 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"raden" wrote in message
...

I'm still catching up on the close to 2000 posts you buggers posted while
I was in Belgium !!

That'll larn yer to go to exotic locations!

Boregium? Exotic?

Graham

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 01:09:53 GMT, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:


"raden" wrote in message
...

On past form, you're flogging a dead horse

Try uk.animals-necrophila-BDSM for that sort of thing

Presumably the horse was not interested and decided to split on you?

(:-)

Graham

In message , Mary
Fisher writes

"raden" wrote in message
...
In message , Christian
McArdle writes
3) luckily we don't get much spam here, but with multiple groups we'd
get each one multiple times


7) There really aren't that many threads.
Really ?

I'm still catching up on the close to 2000 posts you buggers posted while
I was in Belgium !!

That'll larn yer to go to exotic locations!

Certainly better than wading through the fights and puke of Watford High
Street on New Years eve

Anyway, I had to go and pick up my 500 bottles of Chimay and Rochefort
.... the suspension just about survived

--
geoff

In message , ARWadsworth
writes

Apart from the fact that IIRC it would no longer be possible to have
such names, threads intersect and change direction, and people with
useful experience wouldn't necessarily visit the other groups causing a
splintering of the group

uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

On past form, you're flogging a dead horse

Try uk.animals-necrophila-BDSM for that sort of thing


Tried it, they're all discussing part P

--
geoff

In message , ARWadsworth
writes

Apart from the fact that IIRC it would no longer be possible to have
such names, threads intersect and change direction, and people with
useful experience wouldn't necessarily visit the other groups causing a
splintering of the group

uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

On past form, you're flogging a dead horse

Try uk.animals-necrophila-BDSM for that sort of thing


Tried it, they're all discussing part P

--
geoff

In message , ARWadsworth
writes

Apart from the fact that IIRC it would no longer be possible to have
such names, threads intersect and change direction, and people with
useful experience wouldn't necessarily visit the other groups causing a
splintering of the group

uk.d-i-y.building
uk.d-i-y.electrical
uk.d-i-y.plumbing
uk.d-i-y.carpentry
uk.d-i-y.misc
(uk.d-i-y.tools+appliances)

On past form, you're flogging a dead horse

Try uk.animals-necrophila-BDSM for that sort of thing


Tried it, they're all discussing part P

--
geoff

In article , Mary
Fisher writes

What would happen to IMM?

Who cares?

--
..sigmonster on vacation

In article , Anna Kettle
writes

uk.sci.d-i-y

No way.

--
..sigmonster on vacation

"raden" wrote in message
...

I'm still catching up on the close to 2000 posts you buggers posted
while
I was in Belgium !!

That'll larn yer to go to exotic locations!

Certainly better than wading through the fights and puke of Watford High
Street on New Years eve

I was in Belgium one New Year's Day. It was memorable for being unmemorable
....

Mary