Boiler installation - how much
 

Getting a 13 yr old gravity fed boiler system replaced by a Halstead Ace
High combi boiler system.

Would this require replacing any existing radiator pipework to prevent
excessive noise or leaks due to the increased pressure - currently got 8mm
radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.

Also, the hot water tank is being replaced by a closet radiator (as the
missus wants an airing cupboard still).

Current quote is £1800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonable or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

Current quote is =A31800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonabl=
e or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

I had an entire system fitted from scratch for =A32100 IIRC in February -=
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"nospam" wrote:

Getting a 13 yr old gravity fed boiler system replaced by a Halstead Ace
High combi boiler system.

Would this require replacing any existing radiator pipework to prevent
excessive noise or leaks due to the increased pressure - currently got 8mm
radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.

Also, the hot water tank is being replaced by a closet radiator (as the
missus wants an airing cupboard still).

Current quote is £1800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonable or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

That depends on your location, the specs of the system you want and to
a lesser extent on the system you've got.

Boiler itself makes a huge difference. E.g. Worcester Bosch Greenstar
combi 30HE and 40HE plus differ by close to 500 pounds. Let alone
differences between manufactures. Then: condensing boilers are more
expensive and usually require a bit more work to get rid of the
condensation. I have had plumbers in two different places, and
Sheffield plumbers cannot be beaten for price. So, location has
adverse effect on quotes in my experience.

I would have thought a straighforward boiler swap for below 2000 is
not bad to begin with. But why don't you get another quote. I got
three and went with the cheapest.

Fred

Main reason of not getting another quote is that floorboards are up and
things accessible due to an extension being built and he is doing the
ensuite so we thought the quote should be pretty low. Asked for a quote for
the new boiler to be given to us last week but he only told us the cost
yesterday and seemed to be starting today even though I hadn't okayed it. He
also happened to have pre-ordered the boiler which sounded a bit dodgy to us
so the plumber sort of railroaded us into the choice which we're not too
happy about!

I'm ringing him tomorrow to stop work and explain exactly what he's quoted
for on top of the expected extension work as he seems to have explained
something different to my girlfriend as he has to me and the contractor I
have for the extension happens to be on holiday this week so I can't confirm
anything with him!

I basically wanted some extra opinions on the installation of the new
boiler.

I'm in South Wales by the way as it seems location matters!

Pete

"Fred" wrote in message
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"nospam" wrote:

Getting a 13 yr old gravity fed boiler system replaced by a Halstead Ace
High combi boiler system.

Would this require replacing any existing radiator pipework to prevent
excessive noise or leaks due to the increased pressure - currently got
8mm
radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.

Also, the hot water tank is being replaced by a closet radiator (as the
missus wants an airing cupboard still).

Current quote is £1800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonable
or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

That depends on your location, the specs of the system you want and to
a lesser extent on the system you've got.

Boiler itself makes a huge difference. E.g. Worcester Bosch Greenstar
combi 30HE and 40HE plus differ by close to 500 pounds. Let alone
differences between manufactures. Then: condensing boilers are more
expensive and usually require a bit more work to get rid of the
condensation. I have had plumbers in two different places, and
Sheffield plumbers cannot be beaten for price. So, location has
adverse effect on quotes in my experience.

I would have thought a straighforward boiler swap for below 2000 is
not bad to begin with. But why don't you get another quote. I got
three and went with the cheapest.

Fred

nospam wrote:

Getting a 13 yr old gravity fed boiler system replaced by a Halstead Ace
High combi boiler system.

Would this require replacing any existing radiator pipework to prevent
excessive noise or leaks due to the increased pressure - currently got 8mm
radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?

You may need to replace the lockshield valves as well depending on their
age and condition.

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.

If all goes smothly, perhaps 10 mins / valve. All going smothly assumes
that the pipework does not need moving to accomodate the new valve.

Also, the hot water tank is being replaced by a closet radiator (as the
missus wants an airing cupboard still).

That kind of implies a resaonable amount of pipework alterations...

Current quote is ï½£1800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonable or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

Boiler is something like 800 plusc, so 1K ish for fitting. Sounds like
you have a couple of man days worth of work there to do at least, so not
unreasonable.

Having said that, I don't think much to the choice of boiler. The
efficency is pretty poor at under 80%, and the HW flowrate is nothing
special for the money.


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John.

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"nospam" wrote in message ...
Getting a 13 yr old gravity fed boiler system replaced by a Halstead Ace
High combi boiler system.

Would this require replacing any existing radiator pipework to prevent
excessive noise or leaks due to the increased pressure - currently got 8mm
radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.

Also, the hot water tank is being replaced by a closet radiator (as the
missus wants an airing cupboard still).

Current quote is £1800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonable or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

Based on a similar job (replacing and moving boiler, replace HW
cylinder, conversion from gravity system and TRVs) about 18 months ago
I would say that's a good price.

MBQ

Thanks for that.

These type of things are so annoying 'cos if you're lucky it only happens
once or twice in your life. There's just nowhere to find out if you're
getting value for money! Better patent that before someone comes up with a
website.... :-)

Peter

"MBQ" wrote in message
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"nospam" wrote in message
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Getting a 13 yr old gravity fed boiler system replaced by a Halstead Ace
High combi boiler system.

Would this require replacing any existing radiator pipework to prevent
excessive noise or leaks due to the increased pressure - currently got
8mm
radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to
replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely
to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.

Also, the hot water tank is being replaced by a closet radiator (as the
missus wants an airing cupboard still).

Current quote is £1800 including the boiler - does this sound reasonable
or
is it only me that thinks I'm being ripped off :-) ?

Based on a similar job (replacing and moving boiler, replace HW
cylinder, conversion from gravity system and TRVs) about 18 months ago
I would say that's a good price.

MBQ

John Rumm wrote:
nospam wrote:


... currently got 8mm radiator pipes not sure about underfloor piping?


You may need to replace the lockshield valves as well depending on their
age and condition.

Also, while they're doing the installation I've asked for them to replace
the 12 radiator valves with thermostatic ones. How long is this likely to
take to do seeing as the system is bled anyway.


If all goes smothly, perhaps 10 mins / valve.

Not if the pipework's microbore. Devil's own spawn, that stuff :-(