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OT: Rise in pitch at the end of every sentence
Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation?
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OT: Rise in pitch at the end of every sentence
On 13/06/2021 04:50 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? It is known as the "rising inflection" or "high rising terminal". It does seem to be characteristic of (some) Australians, but has been spreading among young and presumably impressionable people in the UK over the last few decades (possibly because of the prevalence of Australian soap opera on TV) and in the USA (West Coast, mainly) before that. AIUI, linguists do indeed associate the tendency with persons lacking in social power, authority and confidence and thereby, a lack of self-esteem. By changing the intonation of a statement into that of a question, they are constantly seeking reassurance and approval. There's a reasonable discussion of it at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal |
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Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:00:29 +0100, JNugent, another demented, notorious,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again: It is known as the "rising inflection" or "high rising terminal". Nope, senile asshole, it is known as TROLLING and your idiotic senile feedback is known as TROLL-FEEDING! Capisci? |
OT: Rise in pitch at the end of every sentence
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
... Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? I think a sentence like "I saw Helen (?) in Tesco (?) and she said that she and James (?) were expecting a baby." (where "(?)" denotes a rising tone) there is an implied "You know Helen, don't you?", "You know where Tesco is, don't you?" and "You've met James, haven't you?" - as if the speaker is constantly seeking confirmation that the listener knows who/what the speaker is talking about. It's referred to as "up-talk" (because the pitch goes up at the end of each clause/sentence) and it's said to have come across to the UK either from West Coast USA or from Australian soaps such as Neighbours. |
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On 6/13/21 12:50 PM, NY wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? I think a sentence like "I saw Helen (?) in Tesco (?) and she said that she and James (?) were expecting a baby." (where "(?)" denotes a rising tone) there is an implied "You know Helen, don't you?", "You know where Tesco is, don't you?" and "You've met James, haven't you?" - as if the speaker is constantly seeking confirmation that the listener knows who/what the speaker is talking about. It's referred to as "up-talk" (because the pitch goes up at the end of each clause/sentence) and it's said to have come across to the UK either from West Coast USA or from Australian soaps such as Neighbours. 35 years ago (?) a Canadian co-worker(?) in Utah(?)spoke like this (?). |
Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:50:06 +0100, NY, the really endlessly blathering,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered, yet again: I think Are you sure, troll-feeding senile asshole? Senilely sure? BG |
OT: Rise in pitch at the end of every sentence
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:00:29 +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 13/06/2021 04:50 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote: Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? It is known as the "rising inflection" or "high rising terminal". It does seem to be characteristic of (some) Australians, but has been spreading among young and presumably impressionable people in the UK over the last few decades (possibly because of the prevalence of Australian soap opera on TV) and in the USA (West Coast, mainly) before that. AIUI, linguists do indeed associate the tendency with persons lacking in social power, authority and confidence and thereby, a lack of self-esteem. By changing the intonation of a statement into that of a question, they are constantly seeking reassurance and approval. Thought so, and I'm thankful you've reassured me others think the same :-) There's a reasonable discussion of it at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:59:19 +0100, wrote:
On 6/13/21 12:50 PM, NY wrote: "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? I think a sentence like "I saw Helen (?) in Tesco (?) and she said that she and James (?) were expecting a baby." (where "(?)" denotes a rising tone) there is an implied "You know Helen, don't you?", "You know where Tesco is, don't you?" and "You've met James, haven't you?" - as if the speaker is constantly seeking confirmation that the listener knows who/what the speaker is talking about. It's referred to as "up-talk" (because the pitch goes up at the end of each clause/sentence) and it's said to have come across to the UK either from West Coast USA or from Australian soaps such as Neighbours. 35 years ago (?) a Canadian co-worker(?) in Utah(?)spoke like this (?). I like to respond with "why are you asking me, it's you telling the story". |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:50:06 +0100, NY wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? I think a sentence like "I saw Helen (?) in Tesco (?) and she said that she and James (?) were expecting a baby." (where "(?)" denotes a rising tone) there is an implied "You know Helen, don't you?", "You know where Tesco is, don't you?" and "You've met James, haven't you?" - as if the speaker is constantly seeking confirmation that the listener knows who/what the speaker is talking about. And is very irritating. If you're saying something and you're unsure of several pieces of knowledge in the other person's mind, you're doing it wrong. It's referred to as "up-talk" (because the pitch goes up at the end of each clause/sentence) and it's said to have come across to the UK either from West Coast USA or from Australian soaps such as Neighbours. |
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On 13/06/2021 16:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? bollox |
Rise in pitch at the end of every sentence
No its called a dialect.
Some people talk in monotones and sound a bit like a 20 year old speech synth. Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? |
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And there was I thinking a high rising terminal was a computer in the lift
of a tower block. Brian -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 17:00:29 +0100, JNugent wrote: On 13/06/2021 04:50 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote: Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? It is known as the "rising inflection" or "high rising terminal". It does seem to be characteristic of (some) Australians, but has been spreading among young and presumably impressionable people in the UK over the last few decades (possibly because of the prevalence of Australian soap opera on TV) and in the USA (West Coast, mainly) before that. AIUI, linguists do indeed associate the tendency with persons lacking in social power, authority and confidence and thereby, a lack of self-esteem. By changing the intonation of a statement into that of a question, they are constantly seeking reassurance and approval. Thought so, and I'm thankful you've reassured me others think the same :-) There's a reasonable discussion of it at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal |
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Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote
No its called a dialect. Nope, dialects are different. Some people talk in monotones and sound a bit like a 20 year old speech synth. Neither of those are dialects. Commander Kinsey wrote Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? |
Troll-feeding Senile Blind MOLE Alert!
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 07:39:28 +0100, Brainless & Daft, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again: And there was I thinking a high rising terminal was a computer in the lift of a tower block. Brainless & Daft Just what kind of a driveling, retarded, troll-feeding senile asshole are you, Brainless & Daft? |
Troll-feeding Disgusting Senile Blind MOLE Alert!
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 07:34:17 +0100, Brainless & Daft, the notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again: No its called a dialect. No, Brainless, it's called a TROLL, you handicapped troll-feeding senile cretin! |
Rise in pitch at the end of every sentence
On 14/06/2021 08:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:
Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote No its called a dialect. Nope, dialects are different. Indeed they are and this affectation is NOT a dialect. I have a relative in Liverpool - a university student - who affects this style (probably semi-consciously). Although away from the city these last forty-five years, I can tell the world that the Australian rising inflection *never* formed part of any of the various Liverpool accents. it is entirely learned from the media over the last thirty to forty years. Some people talk in monotones and sound a bit like a 20 year old speech synth. Neither of those are dialects. Correct. Commander Kinsey wrote Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? |
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On 13/06/2021 16:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? Because they went to Band Camp? |
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On 13/06/2021 17:00, JNugent wrote:
snipped On 13/06/2021 04:50 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote: Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? It is known as the "rising inflection" or "high rising terminal". Or the 'Antipodean Interrogative". -- Cheers Clive |
Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:08:06 +0100, R D S, another mentally deficient
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered: On 13/06/2021 16:50, Commander Kinsey wrote: Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? Because they went to Band Camp? Why do you answer retarded questions, senile idiot? |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:06:57 +0100, JNugent
wrote: On 14/06/2021 08:25 am, Rod Speed wrote: Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote No its called a dialect. Nope, dialects are different. Indeed they are and this affectation is NOT a dialect. I have a relative in Liverpool - a university student - who affects this style (probably semi-consciously). Although away from the city these last forty-five years, I can tell the world that the Australian rising inflection *never* formed part of any of the various Liverpool accents. it is entirely learned from the media over the last thirty to forty years. Some people talk in monotones and sound a bit like a 20 year old speech synth. Neither of those are dialects. Correct. Commander Kinsey wrote Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? I feel they are not so much asking a question, but implying "Are you familiar with what I'm saying, because you may be old?" -- Dave W |
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 15:28:21 +0100, Dave W wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:06:57 +0100, JNugent wrote: On 14/06/2021 08:25 am, Rod Speed wrote: Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote No its called a dialect. Nope, dialects are different. Indeed they are and this affectation is NOT a dialect. I have a relative in Liverpool - a university student - who affects this style (probably semi-consciously). Although away from the city these last forty-five years, I can tell the world that the Australian rising inflection *never* formed part of any of the various Liverpool accents. it is entirely learned from the media over the last thirty to forty years. Some people talk in monotones and sound a bit like a 20 year old speech synth. Neither of those are dialects. Correct. Commander Kinsey wrote Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? I feel they are not so much asking a question, but implying "Are you familiar with what I'm saying, because you may be old?" It makes me think they're not sure what they just said is correct, and are waiting for you to say "uh-huh" after every phrase. Maybe they want to make sure you're paying attention. |
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JNugent wrote:
Nope, dialects are different. Indeed they are and this affectation is NOT a dialect. It may not be a dialect, but I'm not sure that there's any indication it's an affectation either: affectation: speech or conduct not natural to oneself : an unnatural form of behavior meant especially to impress others. However annoying you might find it, if it is a natural part of the way they happen to speak, and not one chosen deliberately by them, it isn't an affectation. #Paul |
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On 14/06/2021 07:29 pm, #Paul wrote:
JNugent wrote: [in response to:] Nope, dialects are different. Indeed they are and this affectation is NOT a dialect. It may not be a dialect, but I'm not sure that there's any indication it's an affectation either: affectation: speech or conduct not natural to oneself : an unnatural form of behavior meant especially to impress others. "behaviour"? However annoying you might find it, if it is a natural part of the way they happen to speak, and not one chosen deliberately by them, it isn't an affectation. They are copying it from others (whether in the media or in their peer groups - or both). It hasn't arisen naturally and would not do so in a country such as the UK |
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On 13/06/2021 16:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? The comedian Rory McGrath christened it the "moronic interrogative" back in 2004. I've seen it referred to as that in The Times. Another Dave -- Change nospam to techie |
Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:48:17 +0100, Another Dave, yet another brain dead
troll-feeding senile IDIOT, blathered The comedian Rory McGrath christened it the "moronic interrogative" back in 2004. I've seen it referred to as that in The Times. Another Dave Nope, senile asshole, it has been christened BAITING (practiced by retarded trolls) which you retarded senile idiots gladly and thankfully succumb to, every time! Yep, you ARE that retarded and senile! Try to "think" about it, if your senility still allows you to do so. |
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:48:17 +0100, Another Dave wrote:
On 13/06/2021 16:50, Commander Kinsey wrote: Why do some people raise their voice at the end of every sentence? It sounds like they're asking a question. Glaswegians and Australians are particularly bad for it. Are they unsure of everything they say and are seeking confirmation? The comedian Rory McGrath christened it the "moronic interrogative" back in 2004. I've seen it referred to as that in The Times. An excellent description. Comedians are often the best to get the real answers. |
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